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Verizon and New Jersey Agree 4G Service Equivalent to Broadband Internet

An anonymous reader writes with news that Verizon and New Jersey regulators have reached a deal releasing Verizon from their obligation to have brought 45Mbps broadband to all NJ residents by 2010. Instead, 4G wireless service is considered sufficient. From the article: "2010 came and went and a number of rural parts of the state are still living with dial-up or subpar DSL. And even though the original deal was made in the days of modems and CompuServe, its crafters had the foresight to define broadband as 45Mbps, which is actually higher than many Verizon broadband customers receive today. ... In spite of that, and the thousands of legitimate complaints from actual New Jersey residents, the BPU voted unanimously yesterday to approve a deal with Verizon ... According to the Bergen Record, Verizon will no longer be obligated to provide broadband to residents if they have access to broadband service from cable TV providers or wireless 4G service. ... Residents who happen to live in areas not served by cable or wireless broadband can petition Verizon for service, but can only get broadband if at least 35 people in a single census tract each agree to sign contracts for a minimum of one year and pay $100 deposits."

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  1. So how long by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So how long until the BPU commissioners get their nice cushy jobs as lobbyists for Verizon or a Verizon supported trade group?

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  2. How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have a contract that says you need to install fiber/cable, how the fuck is NOT installing fiber/cable fraud?

    1. Re:How? by Russ1642 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They are altering the deal. Pray they don't alter it any further.

    2. Re:How? by quetwo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except you, the taxpayer already paid that amount to Verizon to run fiber/HSI to your house back in the 90's and 00's. Verizon already cashed the check a long time ago -- they just didn't provide the service.

  3. in this thread by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    will be a bunch of cynical comments about this being just the way it is

    but there are countries like canada and the nordic countries that, while not perfect, do a much better job of keeping money out of politics than the usa

    cynicism is common, but i don't like it because people use it to think they have to lie down and accept this sort of legalized corruption

    in many ways, i think the cynicism is worse than the malicious corporations. because there's always people who are robbing you in this world. you have defend yourself and fight them. but what can you say about people who roll over and take the abuse?

    we don't have to accept it

    and we start by changing the lame cynical attitudes out there

    that might be you

    that might mean speaking up when you hear cynicism and people snickering or nodding in agreement with it

    for speaking up and say wallowing in mindless cynicism is a form of accepting the abuse and is part of the problem, you may get ridiculed and flak for that. but think about what kind of mindset is mocking you, and take it as a point of pride

    we have to be the solution here. all of us. i didn't say it was easy. but i and many others are not going to continue to accept this, and i would hope more people would join us

    start by losing the cynicism

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  4. Give Back The Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Verizon was given a shit load of cash in tax breaks, rate hikes, etc in return for providing 45Mb broadband to all state residents.

    1. Re:Give Back The Money by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Verizon was given a shit load of cash in tax breaks, rate hikes, etc in return for providing 45Mb broadband to all state residents.

      I'm sure they'll ship that money back at 4G speed...

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  5. When will Verizon deliver TRUE 4g (LTE Advanced)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not one single Cellular network in the United States offers TRUE 4g.

    What they offer is relabeled, bastardized 3g+ (4G LTE is an enhanced 3G - long term evolution standard, it is not by definition 4g)

    Look at the specs.

    Verizon isn't out of the woods just yet, they actually have to bring in TRUE 4G first.

    Good on New Jersey for forcing them to upgrade their networks :)

  6. Re:Democracy at work by organgtool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm getting really tired of this shitty argument. We currently have a system in which rich people and corporations can donate nearly unlimited amounts of money to all political candidates, essentially buying them all out and you insist that the problem is with the voters. When every candidate is bought, there is no one left representing US! Stop acting like there is always a perfect candidate and somehow we pick the wrong one 100% of the time.

  7. Re:Democracy at work by jfengel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I *do* insist that the problem is with the voters. If the voters were that irate about the politicians, they'd vote them out. Even if the new ones were just as bad, the voters would express their ire by voting them out, too.

    Political donations don't buy votes. No politician is going to risk going to jail for taking bribes.

    What political donations buy is the election of candidates who are sympathetic to you without having to be paid. They can't give money directly to the candidates anyway. The unlimited funds go to "uncoordinated" separate groups who spend it not on limousines and fact-finding tours to tropical islands but on campaign ads.

    That's the point of connection. They're not buying the politicians. They're buying the voters. And they're buying them not with money, but with whatever tools of mental manipulation the ad-makers can dream up. They spend the money to blanket the airwaves.

    All the voters have to do is to think, question whether the ads are telling the truth, and wonder why if they can form an objective picture from two biased, manipulated sets of mutually contradictory ads. That doesn't seem like a lot to ask, but the fact that the incumbents are repeatedly returned to office is a strong clue that they're not.

    Maybe it would be futile and ineffective to keep turfing out politicians in favor of new ones. But it's not an experiment the voters have tried. If they did, maybe the politicians would change the way they operate; I don't know. I do know that your picture of how the process works is deeply flawed, and most voters seem equally uninterested in actually learning how it does work.

    Your outrage at the politicians is too easy. They're doing what the voters tell them to do. If the voters are doing what the money is telling them to do, don't tell it to the politicians, or to me. Tell it to them. If you can figure out how to get them to listen, I'm all for it.

  8. Re:Democracy at work by profplump · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SCOTUS just told us that it's only a bribe if you can prove quid-pro-quo. Which essentially means bribes *are* legal.

    Besides that, the idea that "buying a politician" and "buying an election" are separate is absurd. If you want to call them independent contractors feel free, but the flow of money and control are unaffected by such labels.