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Texas Family Awarded $2.9 Million In Fracking Lawsuit
New submitter martinQblank writes "CNN reports: A Texas family whose home was within a two-mile radius of 22 natural gas wells — one of which was less than 800 feet away — has been awarded $2.9 million by a jury. The family, who suffered from a variety of ailments (including nosebleeds, rashes, migraines and more), was advised by a doctor to leave their ranch immediately and see a physician specializing in environmental health. The defendant in the case, Aruba Petroleum, disagreed with the jury's decision, as did other attorneys who are familiar with the energy sector — calling in a 'knee-jerk' reaction. Additionally the company noted that they had complied with all applicable environmental regulations. The family itself? Still in favor of oil and natural gas extraction: 'We are not anti-fracking or anti-drilling. My goodness, we live in Texas. Keep it in the pipes, and if you have a leak or spill, report it and be respectful to your neighbors. If you are going to put this stuff in close proximity to homes, be respectful and careful.'"
We are not anti-fracking or anti-drilling. My goodness, we live in Texas.
Yeah, we love fracking! Now give us the 2.9 million dollars...
You're still responsible for the damage you cause, even if it's accidental. Your action, your responsibility.
The $2.9 million, minus attorney fees, costs, and taxes, might be just enough to compensate the family for their loss. Keep in mind that if any family members develop cancer or some other ailment later in life as a result of the company's irresponsibility, then that will probably be covered under this award as well.
If it had been an order of magnitude larger, then we could talk about "knee jerk".
$2.9 million? Frackin' eh!
The lawyers got a jury to agree. That doesn't mean it will stand; we've all seen verdicts based on emotion that get tossed based on facts.
I have had nosebleeds and rashes, and my mother got migraines when I lived with my parents, there MUST be a secret fracking operation going on near our home. Or maybe one of those wind 'death maker' turbines that is destroying our country! Killing several of our birds every year! Stinking up the view. I, as a citizen, DEMAND inexpensive clean energy, I dont want any of my tax dollars spent on developing it, and I dont want it in my back yard. Is that too much to ask as I sit at home, watching my 80" TV, with every light in my 4000 sq ft house that only myself and my wife live in, or while I drive my massively over powered car through the dirty countryside. Is that too much to ask!?
But why is fracking exempt from the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Safe Drinking Water Act, National Environmental Policy Act, Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act, and the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act?
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
With 22 wells nearby, the chances of their water not being contaminated are very low.. Thus industry lifetime Failure rate for these wells runs 30% to 50%!
The industry really needs to step up to the plate and improve their drilling tech and methods. Hopefully more and more juries around the country will impose these costs on the oil and gas industry. Either clean up or get out!!
Personally, we really don't need this fossil fuel tech, when Renewable energy sources are very capable of fulfilling ALL our energy needs . We know fossil fuels are finite.. they're going to run out, sooner or later.. Let's jump into the future and skip over these nasty fault prone energy sources. It boarders to the point of insanity, that the general public hasn't figured this out..
Regulatory capture.
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
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I think the word you're looking for is "Cheney."
Any bets on what the award will be after the appeals are done with?
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Was OMG the libs have penetrated Texas..
Then I gave it a bit more thought and got over myself. The point of a judgement like this, is that it's supposed to sting. It's a whole lot of money for doctor's bills, but not a whole lot of money if the intent is to punish. It's enough though, that I think Aruba (and others) will take notice. Not very many businesses can write a $2.9M check and walk it off in an afternoon.
But first, I don't see any real evil here. The ground around a working oil well is a messy place. You can't help but spill a little, and there's no malfeasance necessary to occasionally spill a lot (what you and I would call a lot). Every time I get gas, at least one drop hits the pavement, no matter how hard I try to tap it off. I totally believe Aruba when they say they did everything they were supposed to do.
I just think that what they are supposed to do, is probably fine for a well out in the middle of a field, but not good enough for a well in a neighborhood. Texas society, acting through their civil court, has pulled somewhat ahead of their regulations and legislation. And one has to think that eventually society will want wells to be cleaner even when they are out in the middle of nowhere.
So, if I am going to be all small government conservative, and pull for states and local folks to take more control of their lives from the mean old federal government, then I need to get my head right, and totally support this judgment. That means encouraging the oil companies to pay up and clean up, and pull themselves ahead of where they are, and catch up to where Texans now want them to be. They've moved the goalposts on you Aruba, but they have that right. And Texas, please continue to give my my under $4 a gallon gas, but don't poison your state and people while doing so. Thank you very much. :)
Shut up and drink some oil, you commie greentard. The fossil fuel extraction industry is a fucking god, so bow down and take what they give you!
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I've reviewed the numbers on your "renewable energy" site. They're nonsensical: they don't take into account the energy requirements of growing population, air conditioning for dense urban areas, desalinization for water supplies, nor the chemical needs for replacing cheap refined petroleum for plastics with manufacturing those plastics as petroleum supplies are exhausted.
Retaining anything like the current American lifestyle, or providing it to the growing world population, requires a new energy source. The only one that works without fundamentally new physics discoveries is space-based solar mirrors, which are _feasible_. They do have enormous startup costs and present a real risk of abuse as weapons. Arthur C. Clarke described how they can be orbited in non-geo-synchronous altitudes, using solar wind and light pressure to provide thrust to stabilize them in orbits that would require constant thrust to be geo-synchronous.
... "Oh frak."
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They have common health problems
Oh really? Which problem are you saying is common? Having 20 toxic chemicals found in your body?
negative externalities
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Because of the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.
Why you ask? Money and power. The excuse of course will turn out to be the same one that has been used for so many other abuses of rights since 9/11. Wonder how many of those people that died that day would be ashamed of how their deaths have been used to reduce the liberty they enjoyed?
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Considering the US wastes 61 to 86 percent of its energy, we've got plenty of room for improvement. Even the Toyota Prius is only 25% fuel efficient. Your average auto is around 10%. and that does NOT include all the losses involved in finding/refining/delivering the gas. Again lot's of room for improvement.
They are symptoms of low level poisoning and immune disorders.
They are also symptoms of on-going stress, such as being panicked over fracking on (or under) your property. Psychosomatic illness, "Nocebos", negative placebos.
This coincidence of symptoms, and our inability to separate the causes, is an issue in most of these cases. You hear about your favourite brand of soap powder causing obscure immune issues, suddenly you get a rash, then you get migraines and join pain, within six months you can barely get out of bed. Poisonous soap powder, or six months of obsessive worry crippling your immune system? Same symptoms, but do you sue the soap company, or the activist network that caused the stress?
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
Room for improvement, certainly. Enough to replace fossil fuels, no. That remaining 20-30%, even if we were far more efficient, is a limiting factor, and it's being expanded worldwide with growing population and growing wealth. Without investing enormous amounts of arable land and water that are needed for food production (for biofuels), or an unheralded shift in efficiency of solar cells (which is hoped for, but for which there are no proven technologies) and reduction in the toxic effects of their manufacture , or a profound breakthrough in hydrogen based rather than tritium based or deuterium based fusion (which no one has achieved), or a large improvement in efficiency, safety, and waste disposal for fusion, there's nothing left that looks technologically feasible and renewable.
Switching from gasoline to electrical motors does not solve the overall energy problem. Though often more efficient, there's still a tremendous consumption to support.
Yeah, pretty much this.
We all know that extraction companies do idiotic and careless things and don't give a fuck about safety -- either of their workers or of the environment around them.
We also know that a lot of environmentalists advocate the complete cessation of fracking and drilling even though that makes no practical sense (for now).
And so we've lost the middle ground of wanting a strong extractive industry with strong environmental safeguards and a culture of safety grown up around it. It would be a strategic error for companies to adopt such a policy in a situation where environmentalists are going to oppose them politically and legally anyway no matter what they do. And it would be a strategic error for environmentalists to advocate for responsible extraction given that the companies are going to weasel out of it anyway.
I know where we want to go, I think it's certainly technologically and economically feasible to extract oil and gas without damaging the environment. But the way we pursue it is fundamentally broken on all sides.
[ And none of this is intended to be negative. I consider myself an environmentalist and a technologist FWIW. ]
I have all those symptoms too. Migraine, rashes, nausea, nosebleeds. Who should I sue then?
So you want to beat entropy then? Good luck.
the company noted that they had complied with all applicable environmental regulations
Which in Texas means very little.
That whenever you pepper your misguided missive at "liberal idiots" or "conservative morons", you are basically saying that your brain can only process a 6 year old's level of communication, correct? Anyone with a brain laughs at people like you, because you barely qualify as sentient. You are a propaganda repeater, and have no ability to form original thoughts in that vacuum of a mind you have.
You are one of the few getting these problems regularly. deal with it.
Better ask yourself, why does the neighbour get these ailments but the workers on site seem to be unaffected?
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If these wells are engineered and drilled in a responsible way there will be absolutely ZERO chance of polluting ground and surface water.
The problem is a lack of regulation and cowboy outfits that often disappear overnight.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
There are 60 or so chemical elements found in every person on the planet, almost all of which can be "toxic". The 5 'symptoms' listed are all pretty common. I would bet you'd be hard pressed to find a household that hasn't had someone with 1 or all of them at some point in any given 12 month period...
"Additionally the company noted that they had complied with all applicable environmental regulations."
Doesn't matter. If you cause damage, you owe damages.
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1) BUSINESS COST. Shell already has said it's not profitable to extract frack gas at current prices. This is with extensive deregulation, circumvention, and violations. The industry wastes massive amounts during extraction which they don't even consider worth the cost to recover. Shale oil is never cheap; it requires high oil prices and that is with the poor regulation it has today. Deep water is less bad but also expensive, they don't take precautions or figure out how to do it safely... that one might be profitable after regulation. In addition, reality makes theses difficult methods take more energy to extract and process even if you somehow found cheap solutions it still takes huge amounts of energy. I suppose the middle ground is ignoring or eliminating regulations or subsidies? (all of which are unethical.)
2) As the USA falls further into despotism (the plutocratic form) functional regulation dies and it is replaced with propaganda. Religious (economic) "tough love" or "poison is good for you," take your pick. No acceptable middle ground between slow death or fast death.
3) Global warming becomes a bigger unchecked problem and people are starting to notice the impacts... which are not yet at a level of an invasion (which always motivates/necessitates a response.) There is no middle ground; other than procrastinating by surrendering territory which makes the inevitable fight more difficult.
Now proper regulation would raise costs significantly and put pressure on finding REAL solutions sooner which is why environmentalists want to use them to prohibit dirty industry growth; HOWEVER, we are actually beyond that point today where industry has to corrupt the whole system to continue to be profitable. Yes there is still cheap oil still pumping but demand far exceeds it so much that even the Saudis are doing offshore extraction to keep up when they claim to have plenty of life left in the ground (either they are lying or desperate to meet demand...as if higher demand was their problem to solve...) By corrupting the system we've made the transition even more painful than it would have been. Naturally, industry also been a part of saying alternatives are not perfect enough to start using them while it undermines and stalls.
Nuclear power is a great example. A still functioning regulatory system makes nuclear power more costly than solar PV. This is still the case with the large government subsidies involved in that industry already. There is no reason nuclear couldn't be run by the gov for baseload power as a non-profit, at a loss. The military handles it's nuclear power better and a base load power grid is a national security issue... Perhaps better designs would be possible, I keep hearing other nations do a better job deciding such things; like Canada for example.
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We are not anti-fracking or anti-drilling. My goodness, we live in Texas.
Yeah, we love fracking! Now give us the 2.9 million dollars...
I love cars. However, if you drove a car into my house and caused serious injury to my family, I would expect monetary compensation from you to cover the damages and medical bills.
I have all those symptoms too. Migraine, rashes, nausea, nosebleeds. Who should I sue then?
I don't know. You should visit a medical professional and undergo examination and tests to find the cause of your serious health problems.
1 or 22 wells, it doesn't matter.
If these wells are engineered and drilled in a responsible way there will be absolutely ZERO chance of polluting ground and surface water.
You seem to not undrstand how fracking works. It is based on the idea of injecting CONTAMINATION into the ground, which in turn releases even more contamination.
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The 5 'symptoms' listed are all pretty common. I would bet you'd be hard pressed to find a household that hasn't had someone with 1 or all of them at some point in any given 12 month period...
It would seem the jury knows a lot more than you about the commonality of these symptoms. They show evidence of more likely than not exposure to environmental hazards, probably from the well out back, and that is the standard that needs to be met to prevail in court.
As for blood pressure issues in 11 year olds... less than 8% of the population, AND it is definitely not within the normal course of life for a person to experience all five of these symptoms simultaneously, together with positive results for toxic chemicals.
There are 60 or so chemical elements found in every person on the planet, almost all of which can be "toxic".
Now you are just trolling. There are plenty of elements found in the body, BUT you are not expected to test positive for even one on tests for chemicals that are taken for health purposes. More than a nanoscale quantity of chemical is more likely than not to be the direct result of exposure to serious environmental hazards.
That would depend on the blood test. If it shows levels of the offending compound in your blood that would be expected to cause that problem, sue the manufacturer. If it comes back with no detectable level or trace, consider a meditation class.
Probably because the people who work there are away from it when they're off, but the people affected actually live there. And since it's a ranch, they may well work there as too.
That depends, have you seen a doctor and gotten your blood tested? What did they find and what was the most likely source of the harmful pollutants found?
I agree some of the chemicals used in the US fracking business are unpleasant but the quantities are very small and like fracking of a one-off nature.
All oil and gas wells produce 'associated' water and it is always a health hazard, similar to the oil and condensate from the same wells.
In other words, when treating the fracking chemicals exactly as the associated water from these wells there is no health hazard at all.
Other countries have regulated the type of chemicals used, this has not at all stopped companies investing in those places, the process depends mainly on water, sand (a ceramic called proppant) and high pressure.
Oh yes, the frack itself costs per well between half an hour and maybe two hours at the most, plus a couple of days rigging up and down.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
I'd probably say that most of us have toxic chemicals in our bodies. Look at what chemicals are found in animals in remote areas in the world. Now consider that most of us live in non-remote areas where pollution is higher. Add in our homes, which outgas other pollutants, from the construction of the home, furnishings, cleaning supplies, etc.
Even the food we eat tends to have residential pesticides and persistent organic pollutants.
For example, say you have someone with Chlordane, DDE, DDT, Dieldrin, Dioxin, Endrine, Heptachlor, Hexachlorobenzene, and Toxaphene. Sounds like they walked through a Soviet-era industrial zone, right? But those chemicals can be found in a typical daily diet (table 1).
So yes, we all probably have detectable levels of hazardous materials in our bodies.
What I would like to see, before I pass judgement, is if the toxic chemicals in their bodies correlates with the chemicals and their amounts used in fracking.
I hope more and more families are awarded big, juicy settlements like this, to the point where it's no longer worthwhile for frackers to have those regulatory exemptions.
Actually, she said her doctor found "20 chemicals", not "20 toxic chemicals". But be that as it may, we all are full of toxic chemicals, viruses, bacteria, parasites, mutations, necrotic tissue, and other icky and potentially deadly stuff. It's what we have livers, kidneys, and an immune system for, and on average, we survive this for about 80 years. Welcome to your human body.
My guess is she has a combination of hysteria and hyperbole, unpleasant to be sure, but they are caused by lawyers and ignorance, not oil and gas.
I've had most of those over the last year, and I'm completely healthy. That means she's a human being. If she didn't get any of those, she should be worried, because it would mean she's either a Stepford wife or a space alien.
@ "Additionally the company noted that they had complied with all applicable environmental regulations."
Regulatory agencies do not grant regulated companies a right to injure others' properties, liberties, or lives. If they did, it would be an unconstitutional taking of property, liberty, or life without due process and just compensation under the 5th and 14th Amendments. For that reason and because environmental regulations may be inadequate to protect third parties, compliance with applicable environmental regulations is not an affirmative defense to a toxic tort claim. Such compliance may be admissible as evidence, but it creates no legal right to pollute if it results in harm to others. One need look no further than the pollution permits issued by regulatory agencies to read that the permit does not grant permission to harm others.
Paul E. Merrell, J.D.
"I have 20 toxic chemicals in my body, and all I did today was take my medication, eat at Mcdonald's and smoke a cigarette.
Nosebleeds? Vomitting white foam? Blood pressure issues? Yea, I've got all of those too!"
Your support of truth, justice, and fossil fuel, fast food, tobacco, and pharmaceutical industries is noble, but I don't grok the long drawn-out suicide by torture thing.
Please consider making a healthy diet, breathing fresh air, and exercising a higher priority than trolling slashdot.
So, were all those chemicals used in fracking?
Or even in more conventional gas-recovery?
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Psychosomatic nose bleeds? Really?
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Dear AC, there's a difference between "the Act does not apply" and "the Act is not allowed to apply".
No fracking way!
Having a substance in your blood doesn't mean the manufacturer was the cause. Bell curves and all that. If you test for everything, chances are you'll find something. And not having a substance in the blood doesn't mean the manufacturer wasn't the cause, given that tests can only test for what they are designed for, you can't detect mystery substance #7.
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
Seriously? Five seconds. Stress induced high-blood pressure.
Additionally, stress causing sleep disturbance can weaken the lower oesophageal sphincter, which lets acid leak into the oesophagus at night. Stress also causes increased acid production. Combine the two (reflux) and you have the very, very common stress symptom of morning nausea. And if that causes you to start regularly vomiting bile (as the summary suggests happened in this case), you'll soon damage the thin membranes in the nose, drastically increasing the regularity of nose bleeds.
Not enough? Acid (from the reflux) on the throat increases your risk of throat infection, which means you cough a lot, which causes spiking blood-pressure from hacking fits, which overcomes already weakened nasal blood vessels.
There are a lot of possible paths. Which is why nose bleeds are such a common symptom of stress.
Nose bleeds, nausea, hair loss, rashes, joint pain, migraines, weakness, tiredness, weight loss/gain, sleep disturbances, mood swings, depression, etc etc.
Which happen to be the same symptoms as low-level persistent environmental poisoning. That's what makes it so hard.
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
what part of vomiting white foam is normal?
Nosebleeds? Vomitting white foam? Blood pressure issues? Yea, I've got all of those too!"
Do you have them with all chronically starting about the same time, with severity as great as the Parrs, and without a simple medical explanation? Do you have unnatural neurotoxins found in your blood?
Robert Parr testified that an environmental doctor had told family members that they had several neurotoxins in their blood that matched chemicals used in natural gas activities. His wife gave similar testimony.
The Parr family had them pretty severe, according to the dailymail.
The jury awarded the family $275,000 for lost property value, $2.4 million for past mental anguish, pain and suffering by the couple and their daughter; and $250,000 for future pain and suffering.
I would bet you'd be hard pressed to find a household that hasn't had someone with 1 or all of them at some point in any given 12 month period
You think it is perfectly normal for a family of 3... all 3 of them to start experiencing all these symptoms simultaneously with extreme severity? It doesn't matter how common you think the symptoms are. This is not explainable as a normal phenomenon. It is a definite indication of a problem, possible poisoning. They are also miserable symptoms to suffer.
There are 60 or so chemical elements found in every person on the planet
See this article, Page 2A this article
I discounted that as a lie. The only way that happens is if you drink detergent; it certainly is not caused by anything related to fracking.