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Why the Sharing Economy Is About Desperation, Not Trust

An anonymous reader writes "Wired recently ran a cover story about the sharing economy — shorthand for the rise of peer-to-peer rental services like Lyft and Airbnb — which they call a cultural and economic breakthrough. They say it has ushered in a 'new era of Internet-enabled intimacy.' An article at New York Magazine has another theory: that it arose because of the weakness in the real economy. Quoting: 'A huge precondition for the sharing economy has been a depressed labor market, in which lots of people are trying to fill holes in their income by monetizing their stuff and their labor in creative ways. In many cases, people join the sharing economy because they've recently lost a full-time job and are piecing together income from several part-time gigs to replace it. In a few cases, it's because the pricing structure of the sharing economy made their old jobs less profitable. (Like full-time taxi drivers who have switched to Lyft or Uber.) In almost every case, what compels people to open up their homes and cars to complete strangers is money, not trust.'"

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  1. tl;dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    tl;dr Marx was right that an over-production would leave the majority in poverty, and the only economically sustainable solution is sharing. It's not "desperation", but an inevitable and rational necessity.

    1. Re:tl;dr by Beck_Neard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Marx talked of productivity increases, but what Marx didn't live to see was how dramatically productivity would actually increase over the twentieth century, to the point where so many paid workers would simply be laid off. About the wealth gap, he turned out to be more right than he could have ever foreseen.

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    2. Re:tl;dr by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is not over-production, it is that for some odd reason we see production as the goal of economy. Problem is, the goal is not production, it's selling.

      The goal is cheaper, cheaper, CHEAPER! We have to produce cheaper. Cheaper than the competitor, and even if there is no competitor, we have to produce cheaper. Not to sell it cheaper, as the market theory would demand, but to increase the profit margin. But hell, even if we WERE selling it cheaper, it would not make a difference. Because whether you sell something for 100 or 50 does not matter if the prospective buyer has NOTHING.

      And that's the problem of our economy today. We're not lacking production. Far from it. There is by no means a shortage of anything. Anything but money on the consumer side, that is. We cannot SELL. Because there simply is nobody to BUY. Not that people wouldn't want our crap, if this whole sharing "culture" shows us anything then that there is a damn lot of want. But to turn want into need, money is needed.

      The reason for the economic growth from after WW2 to the 80s was simply that people earned pretty well. Even and especially "unskilled" labor was relatively well paid and people could afford to spend. People even continued to spend after they could not really afford it anymore 'cause their wages didn't keep up with inflation. They borrowed, refinanced, maxed out credit cards... the economy only noticed that things go wrong after that, too, hit the limit.

      And now we're in the shit creek we're in, because even if we started to pay people handsomely, it would take years to even notice since they now first of all would have to pay back their debt. You'd have to recover two decades of overspending, most likely with at least two decades of overearning. And it's very, very unlikely that anyone would want to make that "investment" just to get something as unimportant as the economy back on track.

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    3. Re:tl;dr by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh please, the Industrial Revolution was "the" killer for skilled artisans and craftsmen who were often replaced by unskilled labor operating machinery which incorporated the skill. Being self-employed and providing services directly became much harder, you had to be a worker at a factory because they owned the machinery and reaped the profits. Probably the worst time to be a worker was in the late 1800s and early 1900s when Taylorism was at its peak and it was all about how many seconds operation X took at the assembly line and it was all about dumb replaceable workers you could drag in from the street at subsistence wages.

      It never really changed until Ford doubled the worker's wages in 1914 and from there was the golden age of the "skilled" worker, concepts like Kanban/Lean Manufacturing in the 1950s also focused on small cells of skilled workers providing much higher flexibility and lower defect rates than the big, long assembly lines. Then started a new cycle where the skill those workers had were incorporated into robotics, again forcing us to develop a new set of meta-skills because it can crank out parts with near perfect precision 24x7 and it was back to huge production lines. We still needed a lot of monitoring and repair though, because the first robots were rather dumb and did things rather mindlessly. Now those skills are being incorporated into electronics, and we're again looking for new meta skills. It all comes full circle again and again.

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    4. Re:tl;dr by tomhath · · Score: 2

      The only economically sustainable solution is to have a labor force that matches labor requirements. What Marx didn't foresee was the tremendous medical advances the world has seen in the past 100 years, allowing unsustainable population growth while the need to unskilled labor declines. No amount of sharing, unionization, or wealth transfer will help when there are billions of people with no demand for their labor.

    5. Re:tl;dr by aix+tom · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The debt in "real money" can also fuel the sharing economy. When you have a negative amount of "government credit units", but can get into a sharing community that issues it's own "sharing credit units" so you can start of with a clean slate there. And perhaps even get more return value out of it than with the "official economy" Which might be the only way left to influence the economical direction.

      Since elections don't seem to work any more to change the political direction, the only working answer to "we don't want you to participate as labour in our system because you are to expensive" is a "then we don't want to participate as consumers in your system any longer neither."

    6. Re:tl;dr by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And Smith was right in that there is no such thing as "overproduction." Produce more of a valued good, and the market reacts by lowering the price, opening up more uses for the good. It's a story not just as old as human trade, but as old as life in Earth. When early plants feasted on the carbon dioxide that filled our atmosphere and produced oxygen, a "market" came into being for species that could consume oxygen.

    7. Re:tl;dr by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Over-production has just been globalized - to China.

      There are over a billion people living on a dollar a day. Claiming that we have "over production" at the global level is absurd.

    8. Re:tl;dr by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      over production?

      Over production of what? I swear, people say things without actually engaging their brains. They just repeat things like walking tape recorders or human/parrot hybrids.

      The economic downturn was largely a result of corruption in our banking and political system that lead to the rapid issuing of credit for things people couldn't really afford especially to people that really shouldn't be in the market. This lead to a price inflation which caused people that normally wouldn't have a hard time affording things to go into greater debt simply to keep up. And when the whole thing collapsed, the value of all the homes went down but the debt stayed right where it was... this caused a contraction of spending... etc etc etc.

      Nothing what so ever to do with over production unless you mean an over production of morons and corrupt assholes.

      Marx doubtless said a lot of things that made sense... but economics is more complicated then any one man and the scope of human history is not going to be summed up by das capital.

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    9. Re:tl;dr by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right now, the big scare is that we're running into a deflation. No, really. DEflation. Not INflation. Now, considering how bad inflation is (allegedly), deflation must be good, right? Wrong! It's even more feared than inflation.

      Inflation only means that your money gets less valuable. That can be remedied: Simply stop printing money and jack up interest rates. Of course, that's easier said than done, but at least you can in theory do something against it. Deflation is not so easily cured.

      The core problem is that inflation can actually be beneficial for an economy, since it tempts to consumption. If your money is worth less tomorrow than it is today, you better spend it now rather than later. With inflation, people free money into tangible goods, even if they're perishable and not lasting, because even as perishables they're more lasting than money. Deflation causes the opposite. The longer you hold money, the better for you since tomorrow it's going to buy more than it does today.

      I don't think it needs too much of an explanation why this is poison to any economy.

      Now, there are quite a few possible causes for deflation, and a few regulatory instruments that can cure it. In our case, though, there would not be such an instrument. If we really reach the deflation level, we're fucked for good. Game over.

      One possible reason for Deflation is a shortage of money, plain and simple. If there's a shortage of something, it gets more valuable. The easy solution to this is running the printing press. Now, we've tried that and it only made matters worse, because now we have some kind of inflation without eliminating the looming deflation. Mostly because there was no shortage of money.

      Another reason is that the goods available are simply not attractive and people rather hold onto their money than buying what's offered. The cynic in me would say that's dead on, but no. That was the case in the former east bloc occasionally (which actually had a rather curious mix of insane shortages and buttloads of crap nobody wanted), and their money experienced an odd "official" deflation with a rampart "black market" inflation. Not really the case here now either, people would buy.

      The reason for this deflation is actually a shortage of money, but a shortage of money per person. Money is available, but it is pooled. Which is great for investment, but very bad for consumption.

      And we really have NO shortage of investment money. People would love to invest. If you needed any proof of this, the issue of Greek bonds that sold like hotcakes (despite Greece's credit history and its near bankruptcy) just because of the guarantees the EU gave for them is an indicator. They offered just over 5% interest and were fiercely contested. There is plenty of investment money sitting around, desperately looking for an investment opportunity.

      What is missing, and what makes this looming deflation so dangerous, is the lack of consumption money. Deflation is always an indicator of low money velocity. Now, the reason is this time not that people cling to their money and that they don't want to spend it, the reason is simply that they have NO money to spend. Worse, they are in debt. And just like savings, debt also increases with deflation, which would make the whole shit even worse since climbing out of the hole gets more and more difficult.

      What makes this situation so very dangerous is that governments cannot really remedy it. There is very, very little a government could do to regulate it. Their main regulation instruments for inflation, i.e. money printing press and interest rate, fizzle in such an environment. Running the printing press still requires some means to distribute that money, and there is very little you could do that makes that money end up in the hands of people who could spend it and thus cure the demand side problem. People would not, could not, spend it. They have a debt to take care of. That money you print would instantly be guzzled away in those debt holes people are in a

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    10. Re:tl;dr by orasio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only economically sustainable solution is to have a labor force that matches labor requirements. What Marx didn't foresee was the tremendous medical advances the world has seen in the past 100 years, allowing unsustainable population growth while the need to unskilled labor declines. No amount of sharing, unionization, or wealth transfer will help when there are billions of people with no demand for their labor.

      Don't let ideology blind you. People don't need jobs.
      People need food, shelter, medical care, and several other things. Jobs is one of the ways you can get those.
      If there _are_ enough resources for everybody, probably we can come up with way to distribute them effectively, even one that doesn't need busywork. It's not an easy problem, but seems solvable.

    11. Re:tl;dr by udippel · · Score: 2

      There is no solution to this situation that I could think of. IMO, we're fucked. Game over, pack your stuff, start growing some veggies in your back yard and hope that you survive the impending fallout.

      I wouldn't be that negative, though.
      While in the currently fashionable economic theories a proper countermeasure is lacking, there is no good reason to preclude its existence. Once we are screwed, we will refocus our interests and research on the topic; leaving marketing research behind, because it won't help us any longer.
      What troubles me more, is the need of the individual to participate, to understand, to react and eventually to lower their expectations on impending richness.

    12. Re:tl;dr by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is plenty of investment money sitting around, desperately looking for an investment opportunity.

      Almost. It's pathetically waiting for an investment opportunity, instead of creating one. Granted, creating one is made ridiculously difficult in this country.

      What makes this situation so very dangerous is that governments cannot really remedy it.

      Sure they can. They can unfuck taxation such that it comes from the pockets of those with money, and then they can spend the money on public works, raising employment and actually improving infrastructure, making it easier to make money. Done and done. Problem is, they're not going to do either of those things unless forced, let alone both.

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    13. Re:tl;dr by Bengie · · Score: 2

      I'm tired of this rhetoric of the occupy types who make a stink about being poor just because the goalpost for "poor" keeps moving higher and higher on some spreadsheet, meanwhile they ask for "fixes" that will just end up making things worse.

      I love most of your post, but I have a partial disagreement in this last part. People want to feel useful while getting treated fairly. Two things required for this is having a job and being fairly paid. Even if we had a society where no one had to work, people would not be happy unless they were able to do something that made themselves feel "useful".

      These "occupy" people may still be better off than people from the past, but they they are still having a basic human need denied, and that's a fair system where they can be a useful and appreciated member.

    14. Re:tl;dr by plopez · · Score: 2

      Workers often are not laid off due to actual increase in productivity. They are laid off because a system is rigged to shift to cheaper jobs elsewhere. Take Mexico as an example. Before Mexico was allowed to sign NAFTA they had to institute "land reform" which resulted in 1/3 of rural agricultural workers being made jobless. This surplus labor then ended up in the border towns working for worse wages in horrible environmental conditions and the factories in this region. Since the laor was so cheap this started the process of destroying the American industrial heartland. In addition this desperate poverty leads to the drugs wars and their huge body count, illegal immigration in the US, and huge environmental problems such as heavy metal pollution in the Rio Grande. The situation was artificially produced.

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    15. Re:tl;dr by complete+loony · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We've given the power of the printing press to bank managers. They lend money that doesn't exist through the magic of double entry book keeping. We spend it to keep the economy going. And then we have to pay it back with interest. Except we aren't paying it back, we keep borrowing more.

      During the 2007-2010 crisis, I was worried about deflation. It should have been worse than the aftermath of the 1929 crash. But it didn't quite happen. This time around it wasn't just businesses leveraged up to their eyeballs. When a business has to find cash to pay back their loans, they can slash prices on inventory, sell what they've got without ordering more and cut staff. All of this leads to a massive reduction in income, without managing to reduce debts much at all. In fact, since incomes fell so drastically, attempting to pay off debts caused them to rise.

      While all those things did happen, this time around it was households holding a significant fraction of the debt. What is an individual going to do? Stop eating? Stop needing a roof over their heads?

      Plus this time, we've managed to get everyone borrowing again. So the economy is back on track and heading upwards. We've recovered better than they did in the early 1930's. Here in Australia we managed to avoid a technical recession completely. Our PM at the time did everything he could to get spending money into the hands of every day people. He didn't give a cent directly to the banks, he didn't need to.

      But we're not out of the woods, not by a long shot. Our mountain of debt is still there. On the average day in the 1930's the stock market was climbing, things were getting better. But then there was another crash. And the long term trend was still downwards. It was only with the outbreak of war and a massive spending spree on the part of the US gov, that debts finally reduced to sane levels.

      History doesn't repeat exactly, but it certainly does rhyme. We're going to hit another crisis. The total debt level of the economy is too high for it to be otherwise. Some group of people out there are holding onto a lot of debt and are technically insolvent. At some point their creditors are going to notice and the whole stack of cards is going to tumble again. Who's it going to be? No idea.

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    16. Re:tl;dr by udachny · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Deflation is no poison, you are a tool of government propaganda, brainwashed to the core, completely without any sense or understanding. Deflation was the reality of 19th century USA economy, the period of time, when the standard of living of an average American has gone up by orders of magnitude faster than at any point in time. In fact during the 'scary deflationary' period the standard of living for Americans has gone up, but during the government induced inflation the standard of living was and is falling.

      Deflation is great for people who have less, they can afford more with less. Deflation is apparently also great for investments, which is shown by history, specifically because more savers are created during deflation, who are able to lend money to the most productive uses, so deflation grows savings, inflation destroys savings. Guess which the world needs to grow the economy... but of course you are so brain washed and brain dead, you will guess wrong.

      In fact deflation does NOT stop people from buying consumer goods that they need, this is patently absurd, it's absolutely absurd given a very SIMPLE COUNTEREXAMPLE: CREDIT CARDS. People are buying today on credit cards, which means that they are willing to pay MORE for the goods that they are buying today rather than saving their money and not using credit cards (which means paying for the privilege of using the borrowed money today) they will not save and buy tomorrow to avoid extra borrowing costs, they will instead buy today. That's what time preference is - buying today rather than tomorrow is actually also a function of cost of money.

      In any case, you are 100% wrong on all of your economic ideas that were beaten into your stupid head for the entire duration of your pathetic thoughtless life.

      Inflation is only useful to force people to buy ONE THING: INVESTMENTS.

      The only thing that people will NOT buy today if those things will become cheaper tomorrow are INVESTMENTS. If you know for a fact that your purchase will be valued lower in a year than today, you will not buy an investment like that, so the only thing that the government promotes people buying with inflated money supply are investments, which would cost LESS in a year (thanks to deflation, which is what the USA economy is apparently needing, which is why that is the natural progression that the economy would take right now, given so much misalignment in resource allocation).

      You have a lame excuse for a brain.

    17. Re: tl;dr by JoeZeppy · · Score: 3

      There's a very easy remedy to this, but there is no political will to do it. Tax the people holding the money. Then use that money in infrastructure projects, hiring workers, consuming resources, and improving the country. Problem is the rich people that own the politicians will never let that happen, thus cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

    18. Re:tl;dr by DrLang21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Deflation is relatively easy to deal with, but it would be political suicide to do so. The Fed keeps printing money and giving to to banks to lend out as debt. This only puts a lot of money in the pockets of the super rich who don't spend it. If you want to held deflation, take that money and give it directly to everyone.

      Money, in the hands of people who will actually spend it, is the cure. We have seen examples in the past where the government just gives out an extra $200 to everyone filing a tax return. I got that money and spent it. So did a lot of people, and it was credited for creating noticable relief in the economy. Give me $40,000 to forgive all my school debts and I'll have an extra $500 a month to do something with. Sure I'll save some of it, but not all of it. I am sure the vast majority of other people would do the same. Hell I might even be able to save enough for a down payment on a house.

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    19. Re:tl;dr by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Actually, what really would be needed is an acceptance amongst the "rich" that the "working poor" need more money, and that it's them who have to give it. And that in turn will not happen, because whoever pays is at a disadvantage to everyone who does not. And before you rejoice, when I talk about the "rich" having to foot the bill, I'm not (only) talking about the proverbial 1%. If you can sit here and read that, if you have leisure time to do that, chances are that you'll be among those that get to pay.

      I can only hope that our governments realize it before it's too late. Because I highly doubt that people and corporations will voluntarily hand over money to maintain peace and reignite prosperity.

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    20. Re:tl;dr by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Jobs are just as much of a requirement as food and shelter.

      The job is what keeps a person from devolving into a total animal. More intelligent notions of human need actually account for stuff beyond where your next meal is coming from.

      I don't think anybody is advocating that people should just sit and watch TV all day. Maybe if you gave them disposable income they'd find hobbies, or take up art or whatever. Organize community programs to give people things to do.

      You don't need to chain somebody to a cash register for $7/hr under the threat of starvation to keep their mind nimble.

    21. Re:tl;dr by kumanopuusan · · Score: 2

      We should pay the unemployed to enroll in colleges and universities (not merely subsidize the costs of education), since higher levels of education would ultimately benefit society as a whole.

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    22. Re:tl;dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Today's poor make the rich of the 30's look like paupers, and the middle class of the 80's look like welfare recipients."

      The poor of today worry about where their next meal comes from just like the poor always have.

    23. Re:tl;dr by kumanopuusan · · Score: 2

      As an afterthought, what if being a student paid just as well as the average white-collar job? Studying diligently is at least as taxing as most full-time jobs.

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    24. Re:tl;dr by dryeo · · Score: 2

      When early plants feasted on CO2 and produced oxygen it caused the biggest mass extinction the world ever experienced. Sure once all the species that were poisoned by oxygen died out it left openings for new species but from the viewpoint of the wiped out it wasn't exactly an improvement.

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    25. Re:tl;dr by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Well when you consider countries such as Russia, communism was actually quite a success. Even with psychopathic leadership and having to win WWII they still managed to go from feudal to space faring in only half a century. Generally the average person was a lot better off under communism then being peasants owned by the aristocracy. Politically things were the shits before and after communism and now with capitalism things are still the shits for the average Russian.

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    26. Re:tl;dr by melchoir55 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't agree that there are no tools a government could employ here. A government could create a tax bracket of 70% (or some other arbitratily high number) and make the bracket begin at a number high enough that only those pooling money would be effected(including corps). The government could then spend that money on public infrastructure, employing people in the process. Think power plants, government rollout of highspeed fiber, high speed trains, or hell if you get enough money how about a space elevator?

      A government, such as the US govt, could prevent companies by sending all their money oversees by penalizing companies which don't base themselves in the US. A govt could institute a tax on assets upon death. A government could institute tax brackets which target your existing wealth as well as income. A government could redefine corporations in such a way that it is no longer possible for the insane abuses they perpetrate to continue.

      I am not saying any of this is easy. However, we aren't trying any of it, and all of it has the potential to help (if not solve) the problem. I also fully realize why we aren't trying any of it: All of it affects the wealthy, and the USA is an oligarchy.

    27. Re:tl;dr by mdielmann · · Score: 2

      Ah yes, just like Newton, that idle wealthy person. Given the opportunity, he just sat under apple trees and watched the world...

      Almost right.

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  2. Sharing is common outside the west by Beck_Neard · · Score: 5, Informative

    In many countries in the world it's quite common for people to share stuff like taxi services and rooms and has been for decades. In many of these places the crime rate is far higher than in the United States. The huge contrast between the amount of distrust people seem to have for each other in America and the actual rate of crime (which is quite low and has been decreasing for decades) is pretty astounding.

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    1. Re:Sharing is common outside the west by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      It's the entropy-conscious behavior. The one thing you wouldn't be able to replace with money even if you had unlimited amounts of money.

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    2. Re:Sharing is common outside the west by guises · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You seem to be lending credence to the hypothesis in the article: the less affluent you are, the more chances you're forced to take in order to get by.

      Anecdotally, I've had a number of friends who had to go this route with AirBNB. All of them love the money, none of them love the strangers in their apartments. (Though it isn't all bad - they're generally nice people.)

    3. Re:Sharing is common outside the west by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know this is crazy, but you could share your apartment with one for free. And hope to get offered the same when visiting some place. This is called altruism and happened very often in the "distant" past.

    4. Re:Sharing is common outside the west by prefec2 · · Score: 2

      First, the unpopularity is not evenly distributed in all classes of society. Second, a lot of people defend capitalism, because they mistake it for market economy. Third, a large person think capitalism is freedom and any change is dictatorship, like Russia. They confuse economic system and political system. Communism and democracy could be combined (in theory), where all goods belong to everyone. And we all decide over its use. I personally doubt that such concept would work. Other concepts have worked in the past and present which have different states of ownerships.

      Still. Those who control the states in Western country are in favor of the present economy. We all life in an oligarchy, just like the Russians and Ukrainians. The major difference, we have to freedom of speech and they do not. However, we are ignored, while they get all the attention of the state.

    5. Re:Sharing is common outside the west by rmdashrf · · Score: 2

      They confuse economic system and political system. Communism and democracy could be combined (in theory)

      This would be the only true form of democracy. As the US Constitution says 'for the people, by the people' (or is it the other way around) any other form leads to dictatorship.

      I personally doubt that such concept would work.

      That is how social democratic countries have been functioning in western Europe, until politicians started to see Euro signs and handed over their national sovereignty to Brussels.

      In the Netherlands, In the 70's, all education, including tertiary, were free (as in free beer). Up until 1999, I paid about $15/month (which was automatically deducted from wages) to be completely insured for ALL medical expenses. Public services were in the hands of the government, which wasn't always the best service, but it was usually stable and reliable. After privatisation, prices have soared and assets like the phone network, paid for by tax payer money has literally been sold for 1 guilder (at the time) (about $0.60 US), while all tax payers are now again paying for the privilege to use that infrastructure, because it's owned by a private company. In the meantime reliability of services has reduced, since maintenance costs money and cuts into profit margins.

      Right now, students opt to not get tertiary degrees, because the financial burden is getting to high and instead of paying $15 US, we now pay 120 Euro/month with a 500 Euro excess, which still doesn't cover everything. Payment is mandatory, but there are people who can't actually make use of healthcare, because they are so strapped financially that they have to choose between paying the excess or pay the rent.

      Regulation on rent in the meantime has been greatly decreased as well, meaning that rents have risen dramatically,while the building of cheap homes has been actively been discouraged. At the moment, people who rent and want to move to a similar house in the same city (even if it's to something a block away from where they are living now) can get a 30-40% increase in rent, because their current agreements fall under the old legislation, while the new contract will be drawn up under the new legislation.

      Most nations in western Europe had social democratic governments, the only reason this has changed is because of greed, with politicians and bankers cashing in, by making services that should be owned by the public 'more efficient' by privatising them.

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  3. Maybe it is neither by siddesu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It may well be that 'sharing economy' is just a manifestation of a deeper problem, the inability of the drivers of development in the past century -- capitalism and democracy -- to cope with the problems the modern world is facing.

    The world needs a new political and economic systems that can tackle the problems we're facing, and tackle them efficiently and in a way that makes sense both locally and globally. It is most likely that these will evolve out of what we already have with the experience and frustrations we gain from trial-and-error experiments like the sharing economy, free online education and whatnot.

    1. Re:Maybe it is neither by ElBeano · · Score: 2

      It may well be that 'sharing economy' is just a manifestation of a deeper problem, the inability of the drivers of development in the past century -- capitalism and democracy -- to cope with the problems the modern world is facing.

      They're coping just fine, they're just not sharing. They'd rather put it in offshore taxshelters.

    2. Re:Maybe it is neither by furytrader · · Score: 2

      I will start worrying when all human needs are being met 100% of the time. Until then, there is room for innovation and there will be opportunity.

  4. Trust vs Desperation... by bayankaran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    True, its about desperation, not necessarily an extra layer of 'internet trust'.
    The US is unique in developed economies - luxuries are cheap...big screen TV, a car and so on. But necessities are expensive...healthcare, decent education, and to an extent housing.

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  5. "Necessity is the mother of invention" by monkease · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but I don't think that the only necessities are economic (...as both dyed-thru Marxists and Neocons seem to? I get that this is not you). While it's true the trigger for my involvement with "sharing"--from free-as-in-beer file-sharing to using Airbnb to potlucks to etc. etc.--may sometimes be economic, "because I can't afford to otherwise" doesn't actually make it in the top three of my reasons, now very much engaged with "sharing," for continuing in it.

    The New Intimacy is new not because humans are different, but because more are more available than ever before. #internet

    Economic "realists" are the children who built the world variously self-destructing.

    1. Re:"Necessity is the mother of invention" by udippel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...but I don't think that the only necessities are economic (...as both dyed-thru Marxists and Neocons seem to? I get that this is not you). While it's true the trigger for my involvement with "sharing"--from free-as-in-beer file-sharing to using Airbnb to potlucks to etc. etc.--may sometimes be economic, "because I can't afford to otherwise" doesn't actually make it in the top three of my reasons, now very much engaged with "sharing," for continuing in it.

      The New Intimacy is new not because humans are different, but because more are more available than ever before.
       

      Perceive yourself being modded up 'Insightful'.

      It is a new economic paradigm that currently evolves. Until recently, economics was based on the distribution of scare resources. And Marx didn't live to see this new aspect. Therefore, despite of his usefulness of his work in our days, his insights need to be accompanied by the only-evolving paradigm of managing an oversupply.
      Combine this with the concept of the necessity of growth, and we all run into troubled times. Because the necessity of growth is by mathematical definition not linear but exponential. Compound interest, in case you don't understand the pure term.
      Overall, an exponential growth is needed [so teach us the prevailing economic theories], while on the other hand an oversupply with decreasing prices [due to great leaps in productivity] kind of drowns us in mountains of consumables.

  6. Much of what is wrong with our economy by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    Can be seen in those who defend the taxi system on the grounds of "consumer protection." People might get overcharged? Not a justifiction for a system so blatantly anti-consumer as the taxi regulations across the country that turned what should be a low barrier to entry job with modest pay into a very lucrative position that blatantly uses the power of the state to shaft customers out of competition. I mean FFS, the car has an odometer. All you need is a law requiring the driver to provide the start and end mileage to the customer and to have them agree verbally to a rate per mile.

  7. I agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Things are going to have to get very bad for change though. The forces for the status quo are way too strong and powerful.

    Even I, a peon getting screwed over by the system, is a bit scared of it - eliminate democracy? Whoah!

    Anyway, when things change too radically, extrememly bad things happen - like Hitler, Stalin, Castro, ...

    Capitalism works fine within the norrow confines of economic activity and with plenty government checks. Nineteenth century USA business history is a great example of Laissez-Faire capitalism and what a disaster it was environmentally, economically, politically and socially. Even the US Right's patron saint, Adam Smith, warned about the dangers Capitalism - something that's been forgotten or ignored.

    But as the World becomes ever more populated and natural resources become even more stretchly thinned, something is gonna break.

    The Free Markets are thrown around as a pancea for the World's woes, but tell a couple of billion cold, starving, thirsty people that they just need to cough the money and work harder and they too can have what they need. I don't know, I just think Roman Empire and barbarians invading.

    But like I said above, unless there is a catastrophy we won't change. The status quo - the economic bullies - have got theirs and they are not going to let it go. Their primitive and shallow desires are dragging us all down. Their desire to leave legacies to their offspring has them getting their bitches in legisaltures to allow for generational accumulation of wealth - aristocracies - and we all know what happens with that: revolution and mass death.

    My fellow peons who stick up for the economic bullies will stand behind them - out of aspiration, fear of change or because of human nature to identify with one's abuser (I think that's why so many Right Wingers stand up for the Koch's and other businessmen who harm their economic interests.)

  8. Re:It really does not matter why...... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Any business model that is forged out of desperation rather than want and need is doomed to fail in the long run.

    There are businesses that exist because they're beneficial for both parties. They are usually very long lasting because both parties have an interest to continue. As soon as you force one party into the contract, they will start looking left and right for alternatives and for ways out of it. Eventually people forced into such a situation will even out of spite try to get out, even if that means an economic disadvantage that is at least survivable.

    For reference, see pretty much any adhesion contract in history.

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  9. Sharing by purnima · · Score: 2

    has been the domain of the rich. This is because sharing was moderated by expensive middle men. If you own a castle in Britain, you are likely to regularly share some of the rooms (short-term renting them out through an expensive agency). But it wasn't easy to rent out that extra room or your basement in your three bedroom suburban house, because there was no affordable way to efficiently access that market (the market structure was very thin for short term renting).

    Now the rest of us can partake in the sharing economy, agency costs have dropped dramatically for the stuff that the rest of us own.

  10. Oh please, Indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then started a new cycle where the skill those workers had were incorporated into robotics, again forcing us to develop a new set of meta-skills because it can crank out parts with near perfect precision 24x7 and it was back to huge production lines.

    That plant the laid off its workers only needs a handful of folks to maintain the robots. It's NOT a one to one transition. It's at least a 10 to 1 DOWNSIZING.

    Now those skills are being incorporated into electronics, and we're again looking for new meta skills. It all comes full circle again and again.

    Everytime the "circle" goes around LESS labor is needed.

    Just where are those workers going to go because other industries are not absorbing them - the employment numbers proves it.

    Look at today's big comanies - like Amazon. They have about 30,000 employees.

    A couple of decades ago, a company that size would have had a million people of ALL skill levels working there. But automation has made things much more efficient. Cheaper for the rest of us, sure. But what to do with all the displaced workers? Retrain? For what?

    All the new big companies only need a fraction of employees needed before.

    EVERY industry is doing this. There is no indsutry that is increasing their workforce - none. Even medical is becoming more efficient and (ever so slowly) automating on the lower levels. And there's other changes too.

    And that is what get's me about the fetish of policy makers who want manufacturing to come back to the US: it'll be done by robots.

    In the 19th century, Western society went from on labor intensive economy (Agriculture) to another (Manufacturing). So, there was opportunity for transistion.

    But today, new industries are going straight to automation (or off-shoring), old industries are doing the same, and there's a ever decreasing pool of jobs for people - and as a result, wages are declining in real terms.

    Just making straight comparisons with the past and today and strugging off social and economic changes that is hurting the average guy is the wrong analysis and the numbers prove it.

    1. Re:Oh please, Indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You will, when they turn up at your doorstep screaming for your blood because you're a have.

    2. Re:Oh please, Indeed. by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not zero sum. After the layoff, the 9 other workers are freed to make something else. At the founding of the nation, something like 80% of the workforce worked in agriculture. Over time, mechanization and improved techniques have lead to the present day fraction of something like 2%. The 78% of the workforce didn't starve to death, they went and did other, more interesting things, and now we have airplanes, computers, movies...

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    3. Re:Oh please, Indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not zero sum. After the layoff, the 9 other workers are freed to make something else.

      Free? Free to be unemployed, desperately searching for anything that pays any sort of wage at all while half the politicians in the country call them leeches? There is no freedom in a layoff.

      Oh and don't forget that year after year fewer people are recoded as being part of the working population. That number was once frighteningly near near 100% (the days of child labor), now it is below 60%. Add in the unemployed numbers and barely half of the population has a way to support themselves. Little does the other half know that they are 'free to make something else'.

      Saying that people who are laid off can just go do something else is so out of touch to be morally disgusting and intellectually inept.

    4. Re:Oh please, Indeed. by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So where should all these people displaced by automation work instead? Where's the new labor markets?

      The problem is we're in the midst of laying off 90% of the workforce thanks to automation, and we have no new industries for those unskilled laborers to move into. Yes, they've been freed to do other things, but there's no other things for them to do. Most people simply are not suited to becoming a robotics maintenance technician, movie producer, or banker. And even if they were there still wouldn't be enough jobs available. We only need so much manufacturing potential to supply all our desires, and if one person can maintain the robots needed to produce everything wanted by 100 people then you've got 99 people in a hundred that can't be involved in manufacturing. Ditto in fast food production, warehouse workers, barbers, etc, etc,etc. which are all beginning to be automated. Even in movie production CG characters are beginning to become more commonplace, which will eventually put most actors out on the street. And banking, where expert systems can outperform all but the most skilled, and at a far faster pace.

      If 10% of the population can provide for everything wanted by everyone, then our current economic model has a major problem, because everyone else needs a way to acquire the funds to purchase the things. And it the 10% are the only ones making an income from widely desired goods, then they are the only source of income for the rest, and you've got 9 people trying to supply enough bonus luxury goods to each productive member to keep food in their own bellies/ We could increase leisure hours to reduce the problem, but even if the average work week were only ten hours you've still only increased the employment rolls to 40%. The problem doesn't even go away with population reduction. Let the 60% starve to death, and all you've succeeded in doing is reducing demand by 60%, and thus reduced the size of the production lines and need for maintenance technicians, etc. by 60%, and you're right back where you started with 60% unemployment.

      Now, take the survival issue away through some sort of social safety net / social dividend and you may foster an explosion in creativity, but there's a reason for the starving artist stereotype - creative work is rarely appreciated in it's own time, and most artists and inventors have always needed to have some other kind of work to pay the bills. If there is no other work, then they need to be given at least enough to survive comfortably to free them to be creative.

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    5. Re:Oh please, Indeed. by DrLang21 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ahh yes. The Neoclassical model presently being used to oppose minimum wage increases. There has been a lot of academic criticism of this model without good answer. Academics aside, it fails to account for the fact that supply and demand is driven by resource scarcity, which has largely been eliminated for basic human needs. The main scarcity still driving these factors is money. Housing, food, water, and even modern utilities are all available in abundance within the developed world. They are simply being wasted in the interest of money.

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    6. Re:Oh please, Indeed. by DrLang21 · · Score: 2

      There are a finite amount of houses in the world, and a greater number of people who want a house.

      Scarcity is the economic concept that there is insufficient productive resources to meet all human wants and needs. I think we agree on that. I think your contention here is the "want" rather than the "need".

      Of course there is a finite number of houses in the world. There is a finite amount of eveything. However, according to the Cenus Bureau, as of Q4 of 2013, the rental unit vacancy rate was 8.2% and more than 300,000 homes are foreclosed and unoccupied according to RealtyTrac. That's 8.2% of rental units that would be making more money than they are now if the rent on them was $10/month and 300,000 homes that are wasted livable space. There is no real shortage of housing in terms of need. People might want bigger and better, but there is no excuse for there to not exist housing that eveyone can afford.

      There is no scarcity of food. We throw tons of it away constantly. The only thing holding us back from supplying as much food (with current production levels) as the world could ever need is a societal problem where we cannot bring ourselves to help eachother out. Current food needs are fully funded (by the people who are throwing away food). The only expense that should exist in providing food to low income families is logistics.

      The only thing stopping us from solving the human population's basic needs is greed. Our society has been taking great pride in this greed for the last several hundred years and I don't expect the problem to be solved within my lifetime. But humanity should at least admit its problem and lower its head in shame rather than taking pride in climbing on top of other people.

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  11. Market theory by drolli · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A market works best if all sides have the same access to knowledge. Prior to the Internet there was no big market for "i have a room which is dont use" because exchanging information was too expensive.

    However, it was not at all unusual on the countryside to just put up a sign if you had a room to rent. I remember bicycle trips where we just stopped at some farm and asked and got a room there.

    What is new is that you can plan this.

  12. Sharing is nothing new by prefec2 · · Score: 2

    In previous decades people shared stuff a lot. They shared tools, e.g., when they build houses. They shared land. They shared knowledge. Farmers, share their equipment for a long time, as it was expensive all the time. For example, harvesters are shared even today through farmers cooperatives. The "new" share economy is, therefore, not new. The only new thing is that the sharing platform is now a company and not a joint organisation making profit out of sharing. Furthermore, consumers are now able to share their goods with people over a larger area. And true, people would have led their car in the past only to people they know of. Now they share it with people who pay for it.

    In the past sharing was a social act. Now it is a business. However, traditional sharing is also increasing. And traditional sharing requires people to like each other. Therefore, they have to build working relationships, which is definitively a step in the right direction.

  13. Giving The Man "The Finger" by plopez · · Score: 2

    When the game is rigged against the individual in favor of corporations, the wealthy, and banks the only sane and sensible solution is not to play.

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  14. Growth is not necessity by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is an growth necessary? To sustain our current economic models perhaps, but they are themselves a very recent anomaly dating back to somewhere around the beginning of the industrial revolution and the liberation of productivity from the number of laborers available. As you point out, all sustained growth is exponential, and that is unsustainable in a finite environment. And we're already bumping up against the limits of our global ecosystem so it must end relatively soon.

    No matter what the economists want to believe, sustainable growth is an oxymoron and we're going to be forced to return to an economic model which presumes the entirety of production remains relatively stable. Individual businesses may still grow, but only at the expense of other businesses (competitors and/or those rendered obsolete) But there's no particular reason they need to grow at all. Even today there are plenty of small businesses that don't subscribe to the "grow or die" philosophy, and have instead simply grown until they reach a comfortable, sustainable size and then remain there indefinitely. And that's absolutely normal. In days gone past a master blacksmith could only grow his business to the limits of his own productivity - he might take on an apprentice or two to help out with the easier stuff, but it was his own skill at the forge that drove business.

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    1. Re:Growth is not necessity by mlts · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The modern shareholder item where a company must grow no matter what... and if a company is well established, but not gaining new market, it is considered a hot potato and has to be dropped... This is a self-destructive philosophy seems to be fairly recent.

      I think part of the reason why Dell went private is exactly this. The desktop/server/workstation market is not growing by leaps and bounds. Is it still lucrative? By far. Companies amortize their computers every 3-5 years on taxes, Moore's law allows more functionality in the same server and workstation space, and new real estate to expand server rooms is a lot more expensive than replacing existing servers for more bang/cubic centimeter. However, is it growing by leaps and bounds? Not really.

      Another big issue is that companies that are stable end up getting bought out by others that have the "growth focus". This means that a product made by a firm for 20 years and is tried and true gets replaced by something cheap and shoddy because there is no stake in that one little niche anymore, so the larger firm can cut corners there without risking the stock value all around.

      I've seen this happen fairly often in the RV industry. A small firm that has some useful widget gets bought out by a larger, "growing" company, and next thing you know, the well-made, made in USA item that was made to last a lifetime now is made overseas [1] out of a cheaper metal and manufacturing process... or is turned to craptastic plastic fresh out of an injection mold. Of course, the price doesn't go down. Yes, the larger company expanded and seized a narrow market. However, other than that one company, nobody else is benefiting from this.

      As described above, exponential growth isn't sustainable. What does a firm do when they reach market saturation? Get bought up by a bigger firm that is "growing"? The result of this are a few companies owning a lot of market niches.

      Finally, when a recession hits, the focus on growth can turn so-so times into a death spiral. A company may not be expanding in a sour economy... but it can be holding its own. However, with the growth mentality, no new market additions can push stock values down, causing that company to collapse. The car industry comes to mind here, because the first thing that happens in a recession is that people stop buying new cars, so automakers get hit hard in the stock market when this happens.

      [1]: I don't want to bash China on this one. Generally, they try to make stuff to spec, and if a company specs "cheap junk", they will deliver "cheap junk". If a company specs high quality and foots the bill for the better materials/fit/finish/manufacturing processes, it will come off the ship that way.

    2. Re:Growth is not necessity by citizenr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is an growth necessary?

      Because it is essential to making money out of NOTHING. Growth is the mechanism letting people "work with their money", people that never work, just invest and reap the benefits.
        Of course most of same people that rely on growth will be as pleased with recession. They can speculate with their money as long as there is instability, there is always opportunity to extract money from the working class.

      If you work with your hands/brain you dont need growth to sustain your lifestyle, you need stability. They (startup valley types) even call it a Lifestyle Business http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... and treat it like something lesser/to be ashamed of.

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  15. An economy is an economy. by briancox2 · · Score: 2

    "what compels people to open up their homes and cars to complete strangers is money, not trust."

    That's interesting. Could the exact same thing be said about the banking industry? And the insurance industry? And stock brokerages? ... and ...

    The fact that New York magazine smears the sharing economy with the word "desperation" just speaks of editoralizing that tries to use controversial words to grab attention. Without the prestige of slick magazine paper, we would just call that activity "trolling".

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    1. Re:An economy is an economy. by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

      The fact that New York magazine smears the sharing economy with the word "desperation" just speaks of editoralizing...

      Really? Are you sure they're editorializing here rather than simply giving a truthful description of the people who actually use this service to rent their facilities?

      I would guess that people are using sites like AirBnB to rent their rooms or cars out of either a need or desire for money rather than as an altruistic gesture to give weary travelers discounted rates on their travels. You're probably correct that this service allows people with extra rooms to monetize them and that, if the person doing this does not need the extra money, then this activity is not desperation-based. But I would also assume that this is a relatively small percentage of the group using these services. Lyft, Uber, other vehicle rental services, and the lower-end of internet temp-housing rental services are driven by a real need for money in most cases - and, when you don't have it, money is a desperate need in this country.

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  16. Inflation and Deflation aren't opposites. by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    Right now, the big scare is that we're running into a deflation. No, really. DEflation. Not INflation. Now, considering how bad inflation is (allegedly), deflation must be good, right? Wrong! It's even more feared than inflation.

    Inflation and deflation are orthogonal to each other. Inflation is a devaluation/flat tax on money while deflation is a devaluation of goods & services that can be bought with money. You can have both at the same time, they are not opposites, but two entirely seperate matrixes which are, at most and only under certain circumstances and certain moments, indirectly linked to each other. Right now we're observing a bit of a mixture of both.

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  17. Re:Old people can't do physical labor by Immerman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Farming has been automated. Construction is being automated. Machine work has been automated for a long time, except for specialty one-of stuff - when's the last time you had something custom made at the local machine shop? And even the one-of stuff is being largely automated by CNC and other rapid-prototyping technologies.

    Plumbing, yeah, that's still mostly done by hand, as is electrical work. Maintenance of existing products (houses in this case) is still mostly beyond automation capabilities, but how many hours worth of combined plumbers, electricians, home renovators, auto mechanics, etc. do you suppose you employ in an average year?

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  18. Re:Old people can't do physical labor by Immerman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In terms of farming, absolutely. By optimizing away the common man's ability to be self-sufficient we've fundamentally altered the nature of the "game".

    As for military spending, sure we need a certain level to keep the barbarians from our gates. Though outspending the next 20+ nations combined is probably overkill. But that's getting off topic.

    As for taxes, there's lots of other ways taxes can be good for everyone. Roads for example. Dirt ruts can only carry you so far, and toll roads are unlikely to be cost effective. Free paved roads allow the farmer to get his produce to market in a timely fashion instead of having 80% of it rot along the way. Other infrastructure can operate similarly - so long as a 10% increase in taxes provides for infrastructure that increases your profitability by 20% almost everyone wins. Similarly with cleanup and policing (which could both be be conceived of as defense against the carelessness or maliciousness of your neighbors). Then there's things like medicine and eduction, which done wisely can be immensely profitable for all involved when socialized at a basic level. The costs of basic services are minimal when spread across the population, and most everyone benefits from both the direct education and the resulting facilitation of the poor-but-brilliant child being able to get a good start towards becoming an engine of societal advancement. Life-extension medicine is it's own thing, there's unlikely to be any great benefit to society from keeping an octogenarian or permanent invalid alive for an extra cuple couple decades, though one could debate as to whether the occasional Steven Hawking is worth the cost. Fixing broken bones and curing infectious diseases though - that's cheap, and everyone benefits, even if they never personally have cause to partake, since it's increasing the percentage of able-bodied individuals in your society (= decreasing freeloaders), and helping to avoid plagues.

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  19. Re:Insecurity by greg1104 · · Score: 2

    "If you do not work you do not eat"? Spoken as a true corporate tool. Who defines what "work" is then? Guess what: the people with money do, as they always have. Ask a rich CEO why they deserve the highest compensation multiple of workers ever today, and they'll tell you all about how their work adds value!

    There's only place this road has ever led toward: rich people get so much negotiating power over poor ones they force them into inhumane working conditions, knowing they have to accept that or starve. You don't get a wonderful world--instead you'll just keep reinventing the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire for modern workers. Gotta lock the doors, can't have people in the factory stealing our precious iThings to sell them for food!

  20. Re: Old people can't do physical labor by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You lost me when you said government run programs ate inwffecient compared to private enterprise. While that is true in some cases that isn't always true. Medicare for example is 10 times more efficient dollar for dollar to private insurance. Most private insurance spends 20% ( now it used to be higher) on adminstration. Medicare is 2-3%.

    Just remember when the big three auto makers went looking for a bailout they flew to Washington in their corporate jets. If they were truely efficient they wouldn't need a politician to point out the stupidly obvious waste of funds. How inefficient does a private enterprise have to be if a politician notices their failures.

        Once you get to be a big business efficieny goes out the door. Governments are just big business with mediocore oversight However more people can see the books. If you really looked at a large businesses books you wouldn't say that private business is more efficient. The rest of your post rambles on from that misconception.

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