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Brain Injury Turns Man Into Math Genius

mpicpp sends in the story of Jason Padgett, a man who developed extraordinary mathematical abilities as the result of brain trauma when he was attacked outside a bar. "Padgett, a furniture salesman from Tacoma, Wash., who had very little interest in academics, developed the ability to visualize complex mathematical objects and physics concepts intuitively. The injury, while devastating, seems to have unlocked part of his brain that makes everything in his world appear to have a mathematical structure 'I see shapes and angles everywhere in real life' — from the geometry of a rainbow, to the fractals in water spiraling down a drain, Padgett told Live Science." "He describes his vision as 'discrete picture frames with a line connecting them, but still at real speed.' If you think of vision as the brain taking pictures all the time and smoothing them into a video, it's as though Padgett sees the frames without the smoothing. "

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  1. No story here, move along by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can someone explain to me exactly what is so marvelous about what this dude can supposedly "see"?

    A google search reveals a history of his story popping up from time to time - probably whenever he can find a venue to promote himself, and whenever sites like Slashdot get duped into posting about him - but I found nothing that describes anything that he's actually able to intuit about math since this injury other than a bunch of crap about how he can 'see mathematical patterns' now. Awesome - so how about parlaying that into any statement that demonstrates any extraordinary grasp of math? Because in all my searching, I haven't found this dude to have ever said anything that anyone couldn't easily just make up.

    I also found this comical link to "End of Pi Found" on some Physics forum:

    http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/...

    Not sure if it's the same guy but it was posted by a Jason Padgett who says he is a "math/physics student in Washington state", and the Jason Padgett in the article is supposedly from Tacoma, Washington. Note that the post was from 2008 and the article that Slashdot has linked to describes Padgett as a "sophomore in college". Some math genius - still a sophomore in college 6 years later!

    Slashdot, why do you waste my time with this crap?

    I swear, Slashdot editors are worse than the patent office; they don't do even he smallest amount of verification before rubber stamping what is presented to them and pushing it out.

    1. Re:No story here, move along by kruach+aum · · Score: 2

      I was going to post something like this but less involved. This dude is being called a savant for no reason, as he does not actually inhibit any savant-like skills, or really any skills at all. The only concrete detail I was able to find is that he once drew a pattern of triangles in a circle.

    2. Re:No story here, move along by tobiasly · · Score: 3, Informative

      The neuroscientists who have been studying his brain seem fairly convinced he's not making it up. Though calling him a "math genius" doesn't necessarily seem warranted (at least not yet... maybe it's a case where formal study will allow him to apply his abilities more specifically?), I don't think they would diagnose him with what they're calling acquired savant syndrome without some evidence.

      Maybe read the book? Even the top negative review seems to give weight to his claim:

      http://www.amazon.com/Struck-G...

    3. Re:No story here, move along by mcguirez · · Score: 2

      One might gain an artistic appreciation of his drawings but it is difficult to view this as Mathematics.

      The real story here is that he convinced someone at Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, to publish a book about him.

      I don't doubt that he experiences visual phenomena, perhaps indistinguishable from hallucinations. Although such a unique perspective might conceivably give him an opportunity to understand math in a new way I'm skeptical this occurred. I'm afraid he has no more insight than a nautilus has into the fibonacci sequence.

       

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    4. Re:No story here, move along by geekoid · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, the media calls him math genius because he calls himself a math genius. Also, he believe PI has an end.
      from the neurologist's preliminary report:

      We studied the patient JP who has exceptional abilities to draw complex geometrical images by hand and a form of acquired synesthesia for mathematical formulas and objects, which he perceives as geometrical figures. JP sees all smooth curvatures as discrete lines, similarly regardless of scale. We carried out two preliminary investigations to establish the perceptual nature of synesthetic experience and to investigate the neural basis of this phenomenon. In a functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) study, image-inducing formulas produced larger fMRI responses than non-image inducing formulas in the left temporal, parietal and frontal lobes. Thus our main finding is that the activation associated with his experience of complex geometrical images emerging from mathematical formulas is restricted to the left hemisphere.

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    5. Re: No story here, move along by peragrin · · Score: 2

      I don't know about fried but that was my thought. the injury cross linked his normal "cpu" and vision "GPU" basically using his normal vision processing as a massive floating point processor. Not unlike using your GPU to mine bit coins or do other massively parallel processing.

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    6. Re:No story here, move along by khasim · · Score: 2

      Maybe read the book? Even the top negative review seems to give weight to his claim:

      No. None of them do. Most of them repeat the information about being mugged.

      But there isn't a single one of those that specifies HOW he is a "genius" of any kind.

      Can he look at a formula and intuitively draw it?
      Can he look at a drawing and intuitively give the formula for it?

      The simplest question on his "genius" is still unanswered. WHAT does he do that is "genius" level? HOW is it "genius" level?

    7. Re:No story here, move along by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean other than going from a party boy furniture salesman to a student of mathematics specializing in number theory?

      Savantism doesn't mean an ability practically nobody else has (though it can be that), it is an ability that is out of context for the person who has it.

    8. Re:No story here, move along by BiIl_the_Engineer · · Score: 3, Informative

      How many kids in high school understand pi?

      An elite few. Most people simply memorize equations and procedures; understanding never comes into it.

      But still, I'd be impressed if this guy actually did something, like solve an unsolved problem. Sadly, these popular math 'geniuses' and child 'geniuses' never seem to do a damn thing that's truly notable.

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    9. Re:No story here, move along by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know if the guy is full of shit or not... but, I did my own google search.

      I found that:
      1. He wrote a book that was well received about his injury, though complaints were that it was overly wordy. There were several people that claimed to be mathematicians that reviewed it and said his area of specialty was fractal geometry and that he was so specialized it was uninteresting to them. He was basically obsessed with 1 aspect of geometry.
      2. He is an artist, and makes Fractal art. Not that his stuff is that incredible but I doubt a furniture salesman could pull this off. http://fineartamerica.com/prof...
      3. Here's photos of him. One includes his doctor: http://www.struckbygenius.com/...
      4. That doctors name is Darold Treffert who appears to be am expert on Savant Syndrome. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

      So it appears to me that the guy actually did develop some Savant abilities. I don't know if he got them from an injury or not. But it appears that those abilities are so specialized that they may not be useful in an academic sense. If he can visualize incredibly complex geometries but can not, for example, do long division, his skill wouldn't really lead him to write a lot of papers.

    10. Re:No story here, move along by sjames · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Under the conditions he specifies, Pi does have an end. He makes it clear he means as seen in the physical world where it is bound by the Planck length. He may or may not realize that mathematicians prefer to have as little as possible to do with the physical world, at least professionally.

    11. Re:No story here, move along by Richy_T · · Score: 2

      My understanding is that advanced maths becomes almost exclusively symbol manipulation. I could intuit a lot of physics stuff and easily attach equations to concepts but when it came to the quantum stuff, it was a totally different story. That could have just been the way it was taught though.

    12. Re:No story here, move along by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Can someone explain to me exactly what is so marvelous about what this dude can supposedly "see"?"

      He sees dead people, all the time.

      So does a mortician. Big deal!

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    13. Re:No story here, move along by KramberryKoncerto · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sadly, these popular math 'geniuses' and child 'geniuses' never seem to do a damn thing that's truly notable.

      Perhaps except Terrence Tao; a famous math prodigy, who also became an incredibly successful mathematician, "Such is Tao's reputation that mathematicians now compete to interest him in their problems, and he is becoming a kind of Mr Fix-it for frustrated researchers. "If you're stuck on a problem, then one way out is to interest Terence Tao," says Charles Fefferman [professor of mathematics at Princeton University].". Also Erik Demaine, who finished PhD and became a professor at MIT at 20; he has a less impressive history than Tao, but still a fruitful career.

    14. Re:No story here, move along by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3

      In the physical world, 355/113 is a close enough approximation that almost nobody owns a physical instrument precise enough to need anything better.

      And 355/113 is even easy to remember. One one three under three five five.

      I've never understood why 22/7 gets so much admiration.

    15. Re:No story here, move along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Says the 6-digit to the 3-digit user ...

    16. Re:No story here, move along by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wouldn't say no one else does it. From his description, it sounds exactly like how the world looks after taking magic mushrooms. It's no surprise that a brain injury can permanently create effects that a psychoactive substance can create temporarily...

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    17. Re:No story here, move along by kruach+aum · · Score: 2

      Well, I mean, we never see people make significant life changes after traumatic events. That's why no one converts to Christianity in prison, why middle-easterners don't radicalize after their family is blown up, and why the term "near-death experience" is meaningless.

      wait

    18. Re:No story here, move along by sjames · · Score: 2

      If you chose IT because physics was beyond you (personally, not humans in general), but one day you slipped on a floppy, hit your head on the edge of a server, then when you woke up you exclaimed "So THAT's what Einstein was saying!", then yes. Otherwise, no.

    19. Re: No story here, move along by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

      He doesn't specialize in jack shit.

      Isn't a more polite expression for this santorum?

    20. Re: No story here, move along by sjames · · Score: 2

      And he is correct under the conditions he states along with that.

  2. Correlation != Causation by avandesande · · Score: 2

    Perhaps the karaoke did it?

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  3. Tomorrows headline.. by Moheeheeko · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dozens killed or severely injured trying to learn maths.

  4. Life imitates art: Phenomenon by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't this the plot of the 1996 John Travolta vehicle Phenomenon ?

    1. Re:Life imitates art: Phenomenon by Agent0013 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Doo - Doo - Do Do Do.

      Phenomenon
      Doo - Do Do Do.

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  5. Uh... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Padgett dislikes the concept of infinity, because he sees every shape as a finite construction of smaller and smaller units that approach what physicists refer to as the Planck length, thought to be the shortest measurable length.

    So, the bang on the head didn't help him improve his abstract thinking after all. How can someone be an "aspiring number theorist" and dislike the concept of infinity? That's like being an aspiring blacksmith and disliking the concept of tempering carbon steel.

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    1. Re:Uh... by hey! · · Score: 2

      I had a friend who once interviewed R. Buckminster Fuller for his college newspaper, and got into an argument with Fuller over geometry. That took chutzpah, but my friend was on solid ground: Fuller claimed that lines couldn't really intersect because the bits that touched would have to somehow interfere with each other.

      Clearly this visualization-based dislike of intersecting lines didn't hamper his use of the *abstraction*, otherwise Fuller couldn't have functioned as an architect.

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    2. Re:Uh... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      But why should dealing with infinities be "essentially being fast-and-loose with time"? What does time, essentially a notion from thermodynamics, have to do with basic mathematics? That just doesn't make any sense to me.

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  6. Re:A "Feyn" place to end Pi by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Practically, the end of Pi is around 760-some digits, where you start to sound like Herman Cain. At that point, diameters won't be more than a Planck length off.

    If you're using it for the geometry of the physical world, then you'd be correct. Fortunately however, Pi is used for far more than measuring the physical world.

  7. Is he truly a math genius? by BitterOak · · Score: 2

    I would define someone as a "math genius" if they're able to solve previously unsolved problems, and publish results in major, refereed mathematical journals. Has he been publishing papers since his injury, or at the very least, has he been doing well on university level math exams? Nothing in the article seems to suggest this, so I do question the headline.

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  8. Re:A "Feyn" place to end Pi by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Funny

    ridiculous, That only applies to numbers in base 10

    Just imagine a number system of base-pi, or possibly base-rad. Of course, then people would be debating how many digits "10" should be approximated to for useful work (like counting your fingers).

  9. Re:A "Feyn" place to end Pi by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Informative

    Indeed. And if you define pi as the smallest positive real number whose cosine is -1, the Planck length becomes immaterial.

  10. Injury unlocked scamming part of brain by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 4, Funny

    His math is unchanged, but it *damaged* the ethical part of his brain and now he EXCELS at marketing and con-artistry and I heard he is now going to law school!

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  11. Re:A "Feyn" place to end Pi by Skarjak · · Score: 2

    I sense some sarcasm in this post, somehow...

  12. Re:A "Feyn" place to end Pi by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

    It's considerably smaller than that.
    63 decimal places can calculate the circumference of the observable universe to an accuracy of one planck length.
    I can't think of a single practical application that would have any need to calculate a distance that large to that level of precision.

  13. Re:A "Feyn" place to end Pi by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Informative

    You cannot because it's not possible. A 'base' is the number of unique symbols in the number system. You can't have partial symbols; you can have 3 symbols for base 3, and 4 symbols for base 4, but you cannot have 3.1415xxx symbols for base Pi.

    You might as well ask what it would be like to have a "base yellow" number system or a "base CmdrTaco" number system. Meaningless.

    Wrong, you can have non-integral bases, including base Pi. Your positions each represent Pi, Pi^2, Pi^3 etc

  14. He did not necessarly develop any ability by aepervius · · Score: 2

    As said in another post he was a math sophomore. The "furniture salesman" is a red herring, what is important is that he had studied math. Not to put him "down" but he does not appear as interesting once you realize that it is something he studied in university.

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  15. Re:A "Feyn" place to end Pi by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Informative

    You cannot because it's not possible.

    To say such a thing, you don't understand what maths is truly about on a very fundemental level. I don't mean this in a bad way. Most people don't because despite the supposed maths eduation one gets they omit this important point. I didn't until very recently.

    Maths isn't about "the rules" it's about YOUR rules. You set the rules, and you can set them to be whatever you like. There are generally three results from such an activity:
    1. The rules are inconsistent.
    2. The rules are trivial.
    3. Some interesting patterns emerge.

    (3) is what maths is about. You pick some rules and see where they lead you. The thing is rules are not as passive as they seem. Sometimes once you pick some basic rules, the patterns build and build and build. Sometimes they join up to other patterns.

    A good example is complex numbers. i is not a real thing. It's just an invention. You can essentially say: I wonder what happens if we have this number i such that i*i=-1. Let's say we'll keep the other rules we know and see what happens.

    The result is incredibly rich. Of course, there is no real numer i, such that i*i=-1, but that just plain doesn't matter.

    There are others too. Smeone asked what happens if we have a nonzero numer e, such that e*e=0. I believe those are called dual numers. They're neat but do not have the quite astonishingly all-pervasive richness of complex numbers.

    Likewise with frational powers. You can't multiply a number by itself half a numer of times, or a negative numer of times. That makes no sense. However, you can take the integers and replae them with fractions, real numbers, complex numbers, matrices and so on just for shits ang giggles and see what happens. Naturally if you're working form integer powers as the premise you need to make sure when they degenreate to simple integers you haven't broken your own rules.

    All the rules you know and have seen for such things are merely choices. They are presented as facts because they have by far the most useful and interesting consequenes. But, they're not really facts at all, just choices. It's also nice in that in many cases, it's the most natural way to see what happens when non-integers are used for example as powers.

    This even happens to the extent that the cherished fact 1+1=2 is no fact at all. You get interesting things too when 1+1=0, for example and when 2+2=1.

    So back to number bases. You can have fractional bases simply beause there's no one to tell you you can't. You an if you want: that's the beauty of maths. The question is, can you figure out a way to make it work?

    THAT is maths.

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