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Microsoft Doesn't Have Plans For a Dedicated Handheld Gaming Device

DroidJason1 writes: "Rumors have persisted for a while now that Microsoft is working on a dedicated handheld gaming device to go against the Sony PS Vita or Nintendo 3DS. The head of Xbox has now responded to a question about it from an eager gamer on Twitter who asked whether there were any plans for a 'handheld Xbox-One-like gaming device.' The answer is no. Microsoft is focused on Windows Phone, tablets, and perhaps both with controller support someday."

84 comments

  1. Microsoft is dead by EzInKy · · Score: 1, Troll

    They lost the battle when they couldn't force everyone to use their shit on every device owned. High five to them for trying though.

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    1. Re:Microsoft is dead by Darinbob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's actually refreshing to see Microsoft decide to not pursue a product line that they have no experience with for a market segment where they're a late comer.
      Is this due to new management?

    2. Re:Microsoft is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >couldn't force everyone to use their shit
      Every one is doing the same, even the GNU project.

      Also, Microsoft is smart by doing this.
      Nobody needs a smart phone and a handheld console.
      Granted, there are hardware features like buttons, sticks and 3D screens that aren't in a phone, but I don't carry a gaming device since I bought my firs smart phone.

    3. Re:Microsoft is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, truly fascinating.

      What else doesn't Microsoft have plans for, and why are we discussing them?

  2. First Post!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOWZER

  3. The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Not to defend MS, but when was the last time you saw ANYBODY using a handheld gaming device anywhere? When was the last time you saw a sign for a PSP or NDS (outside of a GameStop store)?

    The market is dying a fast and miserable death. There is no need for any company to waste resources on a product guaranteed to be a flop because the market no longer exist .... completely replaced by mobile devices.

    1. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by tepples · · Score: 1

      when was the last time you saw ANYBODY using a handheld gaming device anywhere?

      I visited my aunt this past weekend and saw my cousin using a Nintendo 3DS and his younger sister using a DS Lite.

      There is no need for any company to waste resources on a product guaranteed to be a flop because the market no longer exist .... completely replaced by mobile devices.

      Some video game genres are believed to work far better on a device with physical buttons. For example, good luck doing Mega Man or Castlevania on a touch screen. So is there now no market for games in these genres?

    2. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by exomondo · · Score: 2

      For example, good luck doing Mega Man or Castlevania on a touch screen. So is there now no market for games in these genres?

      Not on a smartphone no. It's a niche market on handheld devices and doable (but not that popular these days) on PCs and consoles.

    3. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by tepples · · Score: 1

      In other words, PC is the only platform for that genre unless you're a well-known company.

    4. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by exomondo · · Score: 2

      In other words, PC is the only platform for that genre unless you're a well-known company.

      No, if it fits into the indie requirements of the various console platforms then those are applicable platforms for the genre too.

    5. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by tepples · · Score: 1

      So how do "the indie requirements of the various console platforms" compare to those of Android and iOS?

    6. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by exomondo · · Score: 1

      In what way?

    7. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are controllers that connect to Android/iOS devices via bluetooth. They work surprisingly well for 25$

    8. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    9. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by tepples · · Score: 1

      But is there a market for games that require the purchase of $25 add-on hardware for competent play?

    10. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would agree, but most mobile games suck. They typically are:

      1.) Filled with ads or over-reaching permissions, like needing your contact list for no reason
      2.) Have no depth or substantial content (i.e. Flappy Bird, Temple Runner, Cut the Rope, Angry Birds)
      3.) Employ predatory practices to nickel-and-dime you (i.e. Candy Crush Saga, The Simpsons: Tapped Out, Final Fantasy: All the Bravest)

      The handheld gaming device market will live until mobile fixes these problems. A market will always exist because a Pokémon or Mario game offers substantially more, even on handhelds. Unfortunately, given the monetary success of a bunch of the titles I've listed, it doesn't look like mobile gaming will fix any of these.

    11. Re:The handheld gaming device market is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does that matter? People have usb controllers, they have clip-on controllers and they have bluetooth controllers so the hardware is available, if you cant come up with a compelling game then no obviously there will be no market for it, if you can then clearly there will be and if you wait for somebody else to confirm it for you before you release your me-too clone then you might as well not do it at all.

  4. They do by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1, Funny

    Windows Phone. ... now whether it is successful or not is another story.

    But xbox live and Halo is on it for the few dozen users

    1. Re:They do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of the word "dedicated" don't you understand?

    2. Re:They do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of the word "dedicated" don't you understand?

      Well their (and everybody elses) "dedicated gaming console" has about as much functionality as Windows Phone without the cellular parts. What device do you consider to be a "dedicated" gaming device? Certainly not the xbox, playstation, wii, 3ds, psp, etc.

  5. I thought that was called a Windows Phone? by mmell · · Score: 2

    Plenty of room for handheld gaming devices - iOS, Android and MS should all get as much of this clearly lucrative market niche as they can - my guess is that there are a lot of cell phone users out there who consider music, video and games to be primary functions of their handheld communication devices. I'll bet a lot of them even consider telephone connectivity to be secondary to network connectivity on those devices.

    1. Re:I thought that was called a Windows Phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A smartphone may be used as a handheld gaming device, but it isn't a dedicated handheld gaming device.

    2. Re:I thought that was called a Windows Phone? by mmell · · Score: 1

      Running from what, a badly written bit of LISP?

    3. Re:I thought that was called a Windows Phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey mmell: Yer bein' called out (why ya runnin', "forrest"?) http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    4. Re:I thought that was called a Windows Phone? by mmell · · Score: 1

      Is this how you download kiddie porn without getting caught? Alexander Peter Kowalski 903 East Division Street Syracuse, N.Y. 13208 Apartment #1, Lower Level

  6. It happens sort of automatically at some point... by barfy · · Score: 1

    It is just a matter of time that the device world catches up with the Xbox. The underlying development tools will eventually allow game deployment on other windows hardware. I also think this will be true for casual gaming to the Xbox, and a universal platform for all sorts of other goodies to come.

  7. Re:It happens sort of automatically at some point. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Windows 9 is the answer. They had a peak of a unified platform but it was not finished at BUILD last month. MS made a mistake and should have made Windows 8 apps work across all.

    I think next year we will find out but it maybe too late ... like freaking 7 years late after ANDROID and IOS where METRO is the new OS/2. They became the old IBM for being behind the times and not quick and nimble like Apple and Google.

  8. Good... by MasseKid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good, the hand held gaming console is dead...

    1. Re:Good... by vux984 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good, the hand held gaming console is dead...

      Oh i dunno... there is still a niche for 6 to 12 year old kids before they merit getting a phone. Right now tablets are eating heavily into that niche... but the right device could still find a home.

      A handheld gaming tablet from nintendo... ipad form factor + some physical controls + a cart slot ? I don't know N would need to allow it to load and play android games or soemthing though to really hit a home run... and that's not really in their corporate culture. But for them to hold off the tablets they need to let go of their iron fist over the store; and the high prices.

      People will still drop $40 bucks for a new Pokemon title; and add the Play store to the 3DS XL and my kids wouldn't even care about ipads.

    2. Re:Good... by Nyder · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Good, the hand held gaming console is dead...

      No it's not. You are just too stupid to realize the world doesn't evolve around what you and your friends do.

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    3. Re:Good... by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not dead insomuch as replaced by Android and iPhone.

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    4. Re:Good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dedicated Handheld gaming while not dead has been in a pretty steep decline the last 18 months. So perhaps before calling others stupid you should check some of the numbers from places like NPD or even the dodgy vgchartz site (if you can stand the whining and bitching from the fanboys there).

    5. Re:Good... by Scarletdown · · Score: 2

      Good, the hand held gaming console is dead...

      If that is the case, then why praytell have used Game Boy systems (from the Pocket to the Advance SP) been consistent sellers for me on Amazon the past few months, with prices ranging anywhere from $24.95 for a clear Game Boy Pocket to $64.95 for an Onyx Black Game Boy Advance SP?

      In fact, the only handheld I have left in my Amazon store is a black DS Lite.

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    6. Re:Good... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Good, the hand held gaming console is dead...

      I still can't believe people are so intent on declaring both game consoles and PCs as "dying" platforms. They're not dying, but they're very likely moving into more of a niche role, or else will be merging functionality so as to make themselves more relevant (like consoles acting as media centers). The reason hand held console games won't completely die is because they're vastly better gaming platforms than phones or tablets for a large number of genre types - typically anything that requires a lot of fast action via a thumbstick and button presses. It's the same reason that PCs and game consoles won't die because of smartphones and tablets - because they're vastly superior at certain things that people still very much want or need to do and are willing to pay a premium price for it.

      The expansion of one market doesn't necessarily mean the death or complete collapse of the old, but it may mean a significant market shift. A new technology will only tend to kill off the old of the new technology completely replaces all the old functionality and does so better. We don't use cassette/VHS tapes because digital (CD, DVD, DVR, MP3, Blu-ray, digital streaming) supplanted it and is arguably superior in nearly every way. However, TV didn't completely kill off radio because there were some places radio still made the most sense (like in the car), but it definitely took over as the leader in home entertainment for the last half of last century. Smartphones and tablets will probably be the ubiquitous computing platform of choice for the masses, so of course that's going to be a big market. But let's face it, while they're the ultimate do-it-all portable device, they're decidedly sub-par for certain tasks, so we'll still have our PCs, handheld gaming devices, game consoles, big screen TVs with in-home theater systems, and yes, even our old-school AM/FM radios.

      Don't underestimate how much people are willing to pay for a premium entertainment experience. And for portable gaming, the premium experience will always be a dedicated gaming machine. We'll see if I'm wrong in five or ten years, but I bet we'll still see portable game machines out there. It could be that they take the form of nvidia's shield device, essentially an android gaming machine built around an Xbox-style controller. In any case, it should be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

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    7. Re:Good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buggy whips are still consistent sellers, as are many things that technologically wise would be considered dead. The question is whether the market is strong enough to justify continued investment from the companies making those dedicated devices. I would say at the moment it is getting borderline, perhaps a few years of life left but unless they do something magical the dedicated handheld market will die and be replaced by devices that are "good enough", there will always be an audience that prefers the dedicated devices but I doubt it will be a large enough audience to justify the very large investment costs of developing for that market.

    8. Re:Good... by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Dead you say?

      Nintendo has a rebuttal with their 3DS sales. Sony disagrees as well. Each of their handhelds has reportedly sold 4 million+ units in their 2.5 years or so of being on the market. While that's no rush to 6 million of the PS4 and XB1, it's still a significant amount of hardware to sell.

      Unless you mean that the hardware itself doesn't work anymore, in which case I'd have to ask what you're doing with it. My Gameboy color and Game Gear work just fine.

    9. Re:Good... by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1

      I would argue that it's a niche geared towards 4 to 12 year olds and 18 to 40 year olds. 13-17 year olds are too cool for Nintendo. 40+ year olds did not grow up with Nintendo. But other than teenagers and old people, Nintendo 3DS is a hit.

      As anecdotal evidence, I was at a meeting with a variety of people including executives, marketing managers, engineers, etc... when my 3DS XL slipped out of my pocket. At the end of the meeting, the president of the organization approached me and asked me what was the gold thing that fell out of my pocket. So I showed him my 3DS XL Zelda Edition. He then pulls out his 3DS XL Zelda Edition. And he was playing Pokémon. Because, yes, adults will drop $40 to play an RPG with one of the deepest game mechanics of all time.

      As for the fantasy iPad Nintendo clone. Not going to happen. Why would they downgrade their offering to cater to the "Too cool for Nintendo" crowd?

    10. Re:Good... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      As for the fantasy iPad Nintendo clone. Not going to happen. Why would they downgrade their offering to cater to the "Too cool for Nintendo" crowd?

      They could rake in the cash though by supporting android games. Even if they didn't allow access to the play store, but just opened up their store to the same content and pricing, and made their indie dev process that friendly.

      Then all those ipad games that are eating into their market would be 3ds games giving them a 30% cut. I think a lot of the best selling games for android would re-release in a nintendo store if it were easier for the devs.

      Add in youtube support, messengers that send send / receive messages to other platforms, and the kids won't need or want a tablet.

  9. Controller Supporrt? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    My Windows tablet already has controller support. As much as any other x86 Windows box does. There isn't really any class of controller that won't work on it.

    1. Re:Controller Supporrt? by Therad · · Score: 1

      I think they mean dedicated buttons and sticks on a tablet or phone.

  10. Control a platformer with a flat sheet of glass by tepples · · Score: 1

    Granted, there are hardware features like buttons, sticks and 3D screens that aren't in a phone

    So what's the best way to control a platformer on a touch-screen phone without having to use a clip-on Bluetooth controller by MOGA? I tried the demo of Pixeline and the Jungle Treasure for Android, and I had trouble making jumps until I broke out a Bluetooth keyboard. It turns out that an on-screen jump because the thumbs drift over time from where they're supposed to be, and a flat sheet of glass provides no tactile feedback to position the thumbs over the controls. The only remotely platformer-like games that I've seen made to work on touch are the one-button "endless runner" games where the only action is to jump (Canabalt, Rayman) or flap (Jetpack Joyride, Piou Piou) to steer around advancing obstacles.

    1. Re:Control a platformer with a flat sheet of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's the best way to control a platformer on a touch-screen phone without having to use a clip-on Bluetooth controller by MOGA?

      Get a handheld gaming device. The cumbersome-ness of including those features in a smartphone relative to the amount of use they get does not result in a viable product which is why attachments exist, you dont need to include it built in.

    2. Re:Control a platformer with a flat sheet of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's the best way to control a platformer on a touch-screen phone without having to use a clip-on Bluetooth controller by MOGA?

      That *is* the best way to do it, you either use a clip-on controller, usb controller or standalone controller or you get yourself a handheld console. How else would you do it?

    3. Re:Control a platformer with a flat sheet of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Get a handheld gaming device..."

      I've heard rumours that Microsoft is developing one of those.

    4. Re:Control a platformer with a flat sheet of glass by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      How else would you do it?

      Something like the Xperia Play.

    5. Re:Control a platformer with a flat sheet of glass by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Get a handheld gaming device

      Which is, of course, the correct answer, but directly contradicts GGPs assertion that "no one needs both a smart phone and a handheld game console."

  11. Xbox 360 controllers are bulky by tepples · · Score: 2

    It's a lot easier to carry a Nintendo 3DS than to carry a Windows tablet and a bulky Xbox 360 controller, which is the only kind of controller that works with Windows Store apps. (Windows Store apps cannot use standard USB HID controllers; it can use only XInput controllers licensed by Microsoft.)

    1. Re:Xbox 360 controllers are bulky by exomondo · · Score: 1

      It's a lot easier to carry a Nintendo 3DS than to carry a Windows tablet and a bulky Xbox 360 controller

      And if all you really want is gaming then you can do that. If you have a Windows tablet then buying a 3DS just for games that might work better on a controller is a bit silly (and also more expensive) so just buying a controller (or using your existing ones if you have them) seems like a far more logical thing to do.

      which is the only kind of controller that works with Windows Store apps.

      Most apps are not Windows store apps, in fact relatively few are.

    2. Re:Xbox 360 controllers are bulky by tepples · · Score: 1

      Most apps are not Windows store apps

      Then most apps are not Windows RT apps because all Windows RT apps are Windows Store apps. Reasonably priced Windows (x86) tablet computers, as opposed to Windows RT tablet computers, are a fairly recent development.

    3. Re:Xbox 360 controllers are bulky by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Then most apps are not Windows RT apps because all Windows RT apps are Windows Store apps.

      Yes, but I think that's pretty obvious given the age and lack of adoption of the platform.

  12. surely typos are abound! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    asked whether there were any plans for a 'handheld Xbox-One-like gaming device. "The answer is no. Microsoft is focused on getting reamed by Sony, perhaps with controller support someday."

    FTFY

    (it's just a joke, guys!)

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    1. Re:surely typos are abound! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony's latest financial update show they are playing catcher not pitcher. I.e. they are being rearmed in every away that matters

  13. Neither do I. by Neumann · · Score: 0

    Although, I have been very unsatisfied with my cellphone lately.

  14. Strange headlines again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Negative headlines: meteoroid does not hit the Earth - YET, The Earth is not flat ANYMORE, Sony is NOT releasing their PS5 - YET!

    Who cares?

  15. Really Dice? by ZeroSerenity · · Score: 1

    *Clears throat to do his best Sarge impression* Could you put that in a memo and title it SHIT I ALREADY KNOW?!

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  16. Re:It happens sort of automatically at some point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple is quick and nimble??? WTF? apple don't rely on speed or being nimble at all, they are usually very late to the party but rely on being well polished and pretty. Their music players, tablets and phones are generally 1 to 2 generations behind the competition technology wise.

  17. You're probably not in the right place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the fun things about the 3DS is that you know how many are owned because each time you walk past an owner with StreetPass on, you get a notification.

    Seeing as my StreetPass slots fill up most days, I'm going to assume there's quite a few out there.

  18. Market for games that need one of these by tepples · · Score: 1

    The question then becomes how many people are willing to buy a clip-on controller instead of just sticking with single-button endless-runner type games.

    1. Re:Market for games that need one of these by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      You don't need to ask that question. Because the answer is in this question:

      "Have you ever seen someone with a clip on controller attached to their phone?"

  19. Smart by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    Convergence is where it is at. No one wants to lug around a ton of different devices.

  20. Microsoft doublespeak by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Didn't they say several years ago that they were not working on a game console at all - and then a few months later they released the first pictures of what became the original XBox?

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  21. Please reply directly via email. by mmell · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Please reply directly via email. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey mmell: Yer bein' called out (why ya runnin', "forrest"?) http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  22. LMAO: Is LIES the "best you got"? Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey mmell: Yer bein' called out (why ya runnin', "forrest"?) http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  23. Who are you? by mmell · · Score: 1
    Is this your malware site?

    Company: Panisz Peter

    Address: Kossuth Lajos u. 51 Dunabogdany 2023 HU

    Phone: +36.203367173

    Fax: +36.203367173

    Is this your mother Jan Kowalski's basement?

    Alexander Peter Kowalski

    903 East Division Street

    Syracuse, N.Y. 13208

    Apartment #1, Lower Level

    1. Re:Who are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No to both. Mmell yer bein' called out (why ya runnin', "forrest"?) http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    2. Re:Who are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmell: Yer bein' called out. Why ya runnin', "forrest" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?

    3. Re:Who are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goddammit you really do need validation dont you you sad cunt. Why dont you try a real relationship with real people rather than spending all your time posting desperately to try to get pseudonymous people on the internet to acknowledge you.

    4. Re:Who are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      posting as ac to try to vainly defend yourself mmell is totally transparent so give it up.

  24. Re:It happens sort of automatically at some point. by kesuki · · Score: 1

    to be fair microsoft has been trying to get tablet windows machines since forever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tablet_computers

  25. Then who are you? by mmell · · Score: 1
    Are you this guy? The Start64 malware site shows the following:

    Company: Panisz Peter

    Address: Kossuth Lajos u. 51 Dunabogdany 2023 HU

    Phone: +36.203367173

    Fax: +36.203367173

    But I think he's living at his mother Jan Kowalski's basement at:

    Alexander Peter Kowalski

    903 East Division Street

    Syracuse, N.Y. 13208

    Apartment #1, Lower Level

    1. Re:Then who are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't answer questions. Why should anybody answer you? Posting ac intentionally.

    2. Re:Then who are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmell: Yer bein' called out. Why ya runnin', "forrest" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?

    3. Re:Then who are you? by mmell · · Score: 1

      Before I answer that - please log in as a registered user. Then I'll answer you, Alex. May I call you Allie?

    4. Re:Then who are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmell: Yer bein' called out. Why ya runnin', "forrest" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?

  26. Re:It happens sort of automatically at some point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've used first generation Tablet PCs (Compaq TC-1000 and whatnot). The problem is that they try to force a paradigm (handheld computers) and combine it with laptops. The keyboards are detachable which ruins the laptop portion. The screen section (which included hard drive, CPU, and everything else) was top heavy, so the screen kept flopping down. Other models solved this by making it so the screen's viewing angle couldn't be adjusted. To top it off, Tablet PCs couldn't really sit in your lap like a laptop. It was best sitting on a flat surface.

    The thing is, the optional keyboards were so lightweight that detaching them saved almost no weight (and making them detachable probably added a bit of thickness). I think the solution was to make a traditional laptop with a flippable screen (there are some models out there these days). Thus making it both a laptop and a tablet.

    The Microsoft Surface attachable keyboard concept just shows that they haven't learned anything.

    One useful thing Apple did with the iPad was drop the physical keyboard entirely. Another was that they used a cut-down interface instead of a full OS/GUI. (And the price *was* lower than the $1,000 or more Tablet PCs).

  27. Re:It happens sort of automatically at some point. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    So did IBM.

    Apple had a far superior product. MS just got some cheap plastic and put XP on it with a digitizer and called it the day and wondered why they didn't take off? They did not really make a tablet like Steve Jobs did.

    Love him or hate his guts I give the man credit for making sure the products are ready, sleek, work, well, and perfected. MS and Blackberry deserved to lose. They didn't even try to make a good product and thought marketing droids would sell them.

    Apple made the whole thing mobile inside and out from the beginning. Both the iphone and ipad were years ahead of it's time. If Metro for tablets (not desktops) were out in 2008 we would not be discussing it. MS would have won hands down but Apple and then Android built consumer oriented devices actually made to run applets.

  28. Why bother posting as A/C? by mmell · · Score: 1
    Are you this guy? The Start64 malware site shows the following:

    Company: Panisz Peter

    Address: Kossuth Lajos u. 51 Dunabogdany 2023 HU

    Phone: +36.203367173

    Fax: +36.203367173

    But I think he's living at his mother Jan Kowalski's basement at:

    Alexander Peter Kowalski

    903 East Division Street

    Syracuse, N.Y. 13208

    Apartment #1, Lower Level

    At least, that's where he wants users of his hostfile manager to send him money.

    1. Re:Why bother posting as A/C? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmell: Yer bein' called out. Why ya runnin', "forrest" http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ?