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Google Announces "Classroom"

theodp (442580) writes "Meet your new 'Room Mom', kids! On Tuesday, Google announced a preview of Classroom, a new, free tool in the Google Apps for Education suite. From the announcement: 'With Classroom, you'll be able to: [1] Create and collect assignments: Classroom weaves together Google Docs, Drive and Gmail to help teachers create and collect assignments paperlessly. They can quickly see who has or hasn't completed the work, and provide direct, real-time feedback to individual students. [2] Improve class communications: Teachers can make announcements, ask questions and comment with students in real time—improving communication inside and outside of class. [3] Stay organized: Classroom automatically creates Drive folders for each assignment and for each student. Students can easily see what's due on their Assignments page.'

Addressing privacy concerns, Google reassures teachers, 'We know that protecting your students' privacy is critical. Like the rest of our Apps for Education services, Classroom contains no ads, never uses your content or student data for advertising purposes, and is free for schools.' After the recent torpedoing of Bill Gates' $100M inBloom initiative, Google might want to have a privacy pitch ready for parents, too!"

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  1. "For advertising purposes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But we'll log your interactions forever, freely available to anyone with a subpoena or NSL.

    1. Re:"For advertising purposes" by neorush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...well at least for the next 3-5 years until we decide to cancel this project.

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  2. Local Infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to see locally hosted servers so that I have some confidence that it's separated from the hive.

    1. Re:Local Infrastructure by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, and I'd like to see volunteer teachers, so that I have some confidence it's separated from greed.

      I guess what I'm trying to say is that completely reasonable pragmatic constraints happen within the confines of education all the time.

    2. Re: Local Infrastructure by LordThyGod · · Score: 2

      Think through very carefully your proposition. Volunteer teachers would be ideologues.

      Pretty sure that was making a point with sarcasm. And I think making a valid point.

    3. Re:Local Infrastructure by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google is a for-profit publicly traded company with a legal obligation to make as much money as (legally) possible for their shareholders.

      This isn't true for Google, and in fact it's not true for many corporations.

      What corporations are legally obligated to do is to fulfill the promises made in their articles of incorporation and in their statements to prospective shareholders during offerings (public and otherwise). Generally, these documents specify profit as the primary motive, but they often include caveats which allow the company to seek other goals alongside or perhaps even to the detriment of profits.

      Google's documents, in particular, include a lot of such weaseling. The primary document to consider is the founders' letter to prospective shareholders during the IPO, in which they set the expectation for the shares people buy. That letter specifically announced the intention of the founders to maintain control of the company so that it does not have to be motivated entirely by profit motive, and particularly not by short-term profit motive.

      (Disclaimer: I work for Google, and hold a small number of Google shares -- most received as part of my hiring bonus -- but I don't speak for Google. This erroneous notion that corporations are legally obligated to generate maximum profits is one that bothered me long before joining Google and indeed I made posts very similar to this one long before going to work for Google.)

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  3. weasel words by jbmartin6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "never uses your content or student data for advertising purposes" isn't exactly reassuring. Let's see. Could be used for research purposes so that someone else can make money off the results. Could be used to recommend mind altering drugs. Could be used to report "violent tendencies" to the government. Could be used to refine profiles for making advertising more effective on kids outside the class setting.

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    1. Re:weasel words by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's too bad the way Google shot their credibility to hell. A decade ago, there was boundless enthusiasm for everything google did, and now they've made it clear that they're trying to funnel you into their advertising-revenue-maximizing subsystems, regardless of what you actually want.

    2. Re:weasel words by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      "never uses your content or student data for advertising purposes" isn't exactly reassuring.

      Yup - if a for-profit company like Google is offering a service for free, you can be darn sure they think there's going to be a financial return one way or another.

      My guess is they are building a currently-latent profile that will be used for targeting ads once the kid leaves school - that's twelve years of information, and now they'll have a running start. They're almost certainly also building shadow profiles of the kid's contacts.

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    3. Re:weasel words by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Informative

      right - no sensible or aware person would willingly choose to get involved in yet another google boondoggle product.

      privacy is NOT what they exist for; in fact, they exist for 100% the opposite! to collect, sort, analyse and market your info to their real customers.

      businesses that choose to get in bed with google 'data' are either ignorant or on the take, one way or another. no one with any respect for users will ever voluntarily choose to do business with google ever again.

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    4. Re:weasel words by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      TANSTAAFL

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    5. Re:weasel words by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A decade ago, there was boundless enthusiasm for everything google did, and now they've made it clear ...

      Unless you were a complete retard, it was totally obvious what they were doing a decade ago as well. I don't see the big deal. Google offers lots of free services in exchange for targeted advertising. That is the deal, and they are very open and upfront about what they are doing and always have been. If you don't like it, then don't use their services. It is childish and silly to whine that they are not spending billions to provide you with something for nothing.

    6. Re:weasel words by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My guess is they are building a currently-latent profile that will be used for targeting ads once the kid leaves school

      Maybe. My guess is that this is an attack on Microsoft. By getting an entire generate of young people used to Google Docs, they can kill Microsoft Office, and deprive Microsoft of their main cash cow. My son is in 4th grade in a California public school, and they already use Google Docs to do much of their school work. The teacher can see their progress, and track their work from outline, to draft, to polished report. It seems to work well, and I am glad to see Google putting more effort into it.

    7. Re:weasel words by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Right, those who collected bounties off letting the SS know where the Jews were hiding in Nazi Germany didn't actually kill the Jews themselves so I guess they're kinda ok.

      Showing people ads relevant to their interests is not quite the same as gassing them.

  4. Another misfit project? by metalmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has that misfit stank all over it. Google will be all excited to get it out into the world. They'll let you play with it for a semester or 2 and then it'll get the axe or be absorbed as feature bloat into some other project.

    1. Re:Another misfit project? by swillden · · Score: 2

      This has that misfit stank all over it. Google will be all excited to get it out into the world. They'll let you play with it for a semester or 2 and then it'll get the axe or be absorbed as feature bloat into some other project.

      Google Apps for education is already several years old, and going strong. Besides being a way for Google to "give back" at almost zero cost, it's a great way to encourage enterprise sales (a non-trivial and fast-growing component of Google's revenues), since it gets the future workforce comfortable with the tools. This is a minor extension which may or may not be truly specific to education. I'd say the odds of it getting axed are basically zero, unless schools that use Google Apps don't like it and don't use it.

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    2. Re:Another misfit project? by mcrbids · · Score: 2

      I just remember how critical everybody here on /. was about the iPod. How many years ago was that?

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    3. Re:Another misfit project? by fermion · · Score: 2

      Back in 2009-2010, Google promoted Wave to many groups, including educators. It was released over the spring of 2010 so that anyone could use it, and was implemented by many educators over that summer. I know of one group of thousands of educations that were planning to use it so their students, from around the US, could collaborate on creative and technical projects. Of course, just as educators were about to implement these resources, Google announced that Wave would be discontinued. It was available for the year, but it is hardly cost effective to develop and implement a program for a single year, so if Educators are bit untrustworthy of Google, it is not without evidence. The statement that Google, cannot, in general, be trusted to maintain projects is not "without a clue." Just for completeness, Google Hangout is significantly different and cannot be used like Google Wave. It is not even that useful. I know some teachers who have tried to some collaborative things on it, and from what I hear it is mostly a bust. Even Google Docs, which is still available, has not been developed into a true competitor of MS Office. All the changes have been to integrate it better into Google Drive, not provide a better user experience. I have looked at Google for education, and primary problem is that it is aimed at an organizational level. A teacher with a school email address cannot set up an education account. This is suboptimal as the way technology enters an organization is for a single person to use it, then the entire organzation adopts after it's value is proven. To require a single teacher to pay for the use is just dumb. So why is it beneficial for Google to give away these services. Because students are taught by teachers who adopt the Google technology to use the Google technology. Because email accounts are created by students with the supervision of teachers, these may be the only 'professional' email accounts the student has, i.e. not bigdick809@yahoo.com. Because when students enter work or college life without the free copy of MS Office, they will go to Google for resumes and work life. Because they will be familiar with the Google stack, so they will be more likely to go for an Android phone. Because it builds brand recognition in loyalty in the same that beer companies use the Superbowl to build loyalty for when young children reach an age when they have to choose which beer to steal and be seen by other friends drinking in the alley.

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    4. Re:Another misfit project? by edremy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, well, have to looked at iPod sales lately? Falling like a stone; so bad, in fact, that Apple's rumored to be cancelling it altogether. Clearly /. is just a bit ahead of the curve.

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  5. Please be a viable Blackboard competitor by Galaga88 · · Score: 5, Informative

    As somebody whose job is to work with Blackboard on a daily basis, I really really hope this puts the fear of God into Blackboard.

    I don't even necessarily want to switch to this, just introduce some competition that Blackboard can't buy out, and has to step up their game to match.

    1. Re:Please be a viable Blackboard competitor by sandytaru · · Score: 2

      My uni finally got rid of Blackboard last year. They put in something called Desire2Learn. I graduated so I don't have direct experience with it, but I've heard it's not really any better.

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    2. Re:Please be a viable Blackboard competitor by i.r.id10t · · Score: 4, Informative

      I am the LMS Admin at the college I work for... when BB bought WebCT support dropped. We moved to Angel, things weren't much better and then BB bought Angel. When we started looking at new LMSes (LMSii ?) 2 years ago, it was decided that BB is a company we didn't want to do business with. Our short list got down to Canvas and D2L. We went with Canvas. It is Open Source (AGPLv3), it works much better than Angel did, and they actually fix bugs and implement features that teachers and admins want.

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    3. Re:Please be a viable Blackboard competitor by Kaptain+Kruton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are there any specific reasons you went with Canvas instead of D2L? I work at a local college and we are going to switch LMSs and we are currently considering those two.

    4. Re:Please be a viable Blackboard competitor by Kaptain+Kruton · · Score: 2

      Unless they implement things like attendance tracking, a gradebook, a solid method for it to interact with the school's SiS, and several other things, no school will consider it to be an LMS and Blackboard will have nothing to worry about. This will only be useful to individual teachers that want to use tech in their classes instead of their school's LMS (assuming it has one).

    5. Re:Please be a viable Blackboard competitor by i.r.id10t · · Score: 4, Informative

      The work flow of creating classes, and the overall initial impression of the look and feel. We had a committee of almost 60 people - an instructor or two from every academic department/discipline, our IT department, my department (academic technology)

      The big thing that convinced me to vote for Canvas was that in Canvas the HTML editor that is present basically everywhere you can input text has a widget that allows you to record voice/video direct from your computer (mic for audio only, webcam for audio and video), gets saved directly to Canvas, gets converted on the back end by Kaltura, and is served up in an appropriate format for whatever device is being used to view it. This is a big game changer for foriegn language, public speaking, any course that requires a student to make a presentation. Even changes math instruction - instructors can point a webcam at a piece of paper on the desk and work thru a problem, giving a voice over while showing the work being done.

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    6. Re:Please be a viable Blackboard competitor by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2

      If Google really wants to create a LMS, the critical thing will be an exam/testing engine. Everything else - communications, presenting docments in a variety of formats, etc. can be done using thier existing tools. But giving a student a test, that is the tricky part.

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  6. Re:Excellent... by BiIl_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

    I'm not too worried about corporations knowing everything about me, but then again I'm also not a privacy nut.
    I'm not too worried about the government and corporations tracking everything I do, but then again I'm also not a privacy nut.
    I'm not too worried about getting molested by the TSA, but then again I'm also not a privacy nut.

    I guess "privacy nut" is a term that describes people with a bit of sense, because with how often I see people defending egregious privacy violations, nothing else makes sense.

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  7. Re:Is anyone buying Google's "Free App" BS anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think their greater advantage would be the lock in effect.

  8. Catch 'em young by axlash · · Score: 2

    Looks like Google wants to get children used to the idea of using Google Docs when they're young so that they keep on using it as they get older.

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  9. Google account mandatory by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is obviously to get people hooked at a younger age and create a generation of even more dependant people.
    You used to be able to do classwork and homework with just paper, no tech giants involved, no e-mail sent to you by the teacher, no real time data of what everybody has done by the minute.. If you had to write an essay till Thursday, nobody would know before Thursday 2 AM that you've not written anything yet.

    The pupils (I don't think you're a "student" at high school) will be tied to a keyboard or tablet for the most basic of interactions, and in the folowing years will be incapable to live without tech gadgets in direct reach at all time so smart phones and the reduced capability computer that are tablets will be virtually mandatory if you don't want to end up as beggar on the street, just like a car got mandatory in the second half of the 20th century. Google services and Android will profit (and a few competitors and fuckbook). Extreme consumerism will be unescapable. You will need more and more dirtily-made LCD displays and li-ion batteries to not get shunned.

    The privacy is not limited to advertisers.. With such systems the teachers and parents will have too much data already, or even the pupils themselves. Data will leak in various ways (if only by way of copy-paste, screenshots, forwarding and looking at something entering their password)
    Then when you leave high school you have to take a conscious approach into not using Google services and such, else you will get data mined, as Google effectively promises it.

    1. Re:Google account mandatory by ledow · · Score: 2

      Google Apps for Education is Google Apps for Domains, rebranded and with more controls.

      You can't even tell externally that it's Google if you do it right. It uses your mail domain and your logo and nobody is any the wiser.

      The only tell-tale... if you go to GMail.com and use your school address, it logs you straight in.

      By what I've seen, the Google Accounts for Education are not "normal" accounts either - you can lock them down the same as on your domain - and even prevent user X sharing their drive with user Y, control email settings, etc.

      They are a managed, rebrandable service provided by Google. It's not "just a Google Account"... there are a lot more controls and customisability that basically removes all mention of Google except for to the administrators.

  10. Why do we need this? by Entropius · · Score: 3, Informative

    [1] Create and collect assignments: Classroom weaves together Google Docs, Drive and Gmail to help teachers create and collect assignments paperlessly.

    To "create assignments", I make a pdf in my favorite pdf-maker, then post it on the course website (a plain HTML page with links), then tell the students about it.
    To "collect assignments", I tell the students to email them to the course submission email -- shared between the lead instructor and the grader, if there is one.

    They can quickly see who has or hasn't completed the work, and provide direct, real-time feedback to individual students.

    I don't have the time to play policeman ("I see little Susie hasn't even started coding yet and the homework's due tomorrow"); if Susie wants my help she has my email.

    [2] Improve class communications: Teachers can make announcements, ask questions and comment with students in real time—improving communication inside and outside of class.

    I can best "improve class communications" by talking to the damn students. If they want to talk to me and I'm around, there's email or coming by my office; if I don't respond to either, then chances are I won't be reachable by google widget, either.

    [3] Stay organized: Classroom automatically creates Drive folders for each assignment and for each student. Students can easily see what's due on their Assignments page.'

    They can easily see what's due by visiting the course website and seeing "Homework 4 (link) -- due Monday, April 14".
    Sorting things by assignment and by student is as simple as asking them to include their name and the assignment number in their submission, and running a perl script. For less technically inclined teachers, use whatever file-sifting features your OS of choice has.

    I've seen highly-technologized courses run way off the rails, because there's a delusion that fancy computerization can take the place of talking to the students. It can't. The only instructional technology I really have a need for is:

    1) The computers that we actually use (I teach computational physics)
    2) A projector, so I can show them examples
    3) A website, where they can download shit (pdf's of assignments and notes) and see what's due
    4) Email

    1. Re:Why do we need this? by ledow · · Score: 2

      Because not all education is to young-adults.

      To the rest of the work, "school" means something that only children go to.

      There, parents do have to supervise their homework schedule. They do have to be hand-held into completing assignments. They are managed by teachers who can barely login (so a plain HTML page is out of the question).

      What Google has broken into is the VLE market - a growing, required trend in UK education sector, for example. And, yes, Google Apps for Education is available over here too - I know, I deployed it in an independent (private) primary school (kids up to age 11).

      Just because it doesn't fit your usage, doesn't mean that someone, somewhere wouldn't be extremely glad of having this. Most schools in the UK pay £1000+ a year to their VLE provider to give them this sort of functionality. That's one of the reasons I put an entire school on Google Apps for Domains - no Exchange Server required, free office suite available outside school too, free cloud storage with UK-DPA compatible controls, free calendaring and email, no ads, device control over Android tablets, and no end of other stuff like this.

      Google just upped the ante and targeted lower-age schools with a free product backed by one of the world's largest Internet names.

      The Microsoft solution is "do it in Sharepoint / Exchange". They are clearly targeting business-only. And though education discounts are good, they aren't free by a long shot. The home-brew method is beyond just about every school that doesn't have a full-time team of people.

      P.S. I'm working in an independent school now. There was definitely a feeling of having missed the boat when I described what Google Apps for Education does for free, after they'd paid for several years worth of services from their suppliers.

  11. Google doesn't sell your information. Period. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    privacy is NOT what they exist for; in fact, they exist for 100% the opposite! to collect, sort, analyse and market your info to their real customers.

    First: It is not YOUR INFO in the first place.
    Secondly: It isn't YOUR INFO they are selling.

    What Google does is they do next kind arrangement:

    User (you) - Google - Third party Corporation

    The third party does not get anything about you from the Google. But they get A LOT from you when you visit the third party sites like microsoft.com or slashdot.org.
    When third party wants to show ads on their sites, Google gets to know that you have seen or clicked X, Y and Z ads. And then Google bills the corporation whos advertisements you have seen.
    The third party doesn't get to know what ads you have seen, they only know you have visited on the site and how you have behaved on their site.

    Google does collected your data of your BEHAVIOR. Like what URL you type, what links you click, what ads you see.
    And then it sell the anonymity behavior data to researchers corporations and to own use. Example that 24 million unique users made search query with keywords of X, Y and Z. Or that 65% X, Y and Z services users are directed to sites via Google search.

    Google DOES NOT sell anything about you. They don't sell your name, your address, your email subjects, your email content, how many person you know, who you know, information what ads you do click, or are you cheating your gay friend. So don't worry, your wife doesn't get to know it.

    It is just sad that Google gets lots of lies from people like you claiming that they sell your info to their real customers. YOU ARE THE CUSTOMER, and every third party is GOOGLE CLIENT.
    Google doesn't sell your information, it sell only behavior analytic data (big data as some people might say) just like governments do sell such by how many people lives in specific district and how often people move to there and out of there. Or how many cars move between specific points on the county roads. What is the income tax level on specific areas, how many stores and malls are on area and how people behave by criminal records by amount of arrests and convictions on specific areas. But government isn't selling or gathering YOUR INFORMATION but information of citizens and so on.

    Sure if you are paranoid, you can believe you are so important that someone at government really starts to focus at you and follows you. It can be true as even your neighbor can follow and spy at you or you can stalk specific woman for a search of fuck buddy.

    What you should be angry about, is what your bank is doing. What big corporations what those banks own are doing. What insurance corporations are doing. As they track you, the identify you as well as they can, they follow what you buy and when you buy and then they target ads to you and new sales or they deny your insurance benefits when action happens because the bank sold the credit card data to them.

    Banks are the biggest evil there, you can't do anymore anything without having a bank account in western country. You can't rent a apartment, you can't get a tax returns, you can't get a contract for mobile phone as others can. Sure you can get a ticket from government to be assigned at your name to your wanted bank so you can withdraw your tax returns but it is huge hassle. Sure you can get prepaid phone but getting more credits to it is hassle.
    Finally sure you can go and pay bills via bank without bank account but when you are paying 15€ per each bill for the bank, you do not want to go to bank and pay 4-5 bills what total worth is just around 80-100€ as you pay extra for that almost same amount.
    Hell, in many countries you can't anymore even do a withdraw from banks or put money to any account as most banks don't anymore handle cash. And if you go to bank what is 80km from your location what still handles the cash, you need to pay 5-7€ to a bank from it.

    There are thousands of cases every year where insurance corporat

  12. Re:So how come, yanks are stupid? by walterbyrd · · Score: 2

    Who says yanks are stupid? Seems to me, only those with an agenda.

    1) Pissy jealous foreigners
    2) Teachers unions *always* saying teachers need more money, smaller classrooms, and no accountability.
    3) Corporations looking for an excuse to hire more visa workers.

    When you bottom-line it, yanks don't look so stupid at all.

    1) US Corporations: Apple, Cisco, IBM, GE, Microsoft, Intel, and on, and on.
    2) US inventions - real inventions, inventions that changed the world, US has way more than it's share.
    3) Universities like MIT.
    4) Nobel prizes in sciences

    I could probably think of more. I suppose you can use some meaningless standard, like standardized tests, to "prove" whatever you want. But when it comes to real science, tech, inventions, and money; the US does not look so stupid at all.