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Brazilian Kids Learning English By Video Chatting With Elderly Americans

Hugh Pickens DOT Com (2995471) writes "Tim Nudd writes that it's the perfect match: Young Brazilians want to learn English. Elderly Americans living in retirement homes just want someone to talk to. Why not connect them? The advertising company FCB Brazil did just that with its 'Speaking Exchange' project for CNA language schools where young Brazilians and older Americans connect via Web chats, and they not only begin to share a language—they develop relationships that enrich both sides culturally and emotionally. 'The goal of the Speaking Exchange project is to transform lives,' says Luciana Fortuna. 'Our students have the opportunity to practice English with people who are willing to listen. During the chat sessions, the students discuss ideas and information from their lives in Brazil with the American senior citizens, many of whom have never had contact with anyone from Brazil before.' The pilot project was implemented at a CNA school in Liberdade, Brazil, and the Windsor Park Retirement Community in Chicago. The conversations are recorded and uploaded as private YouTube videos for the teachers to evaluate the students' development. 'The idea is simple and it's a win-win proposition for both the students and the American senior citizens. It's exciting to see their reactions and contentment. It truly benefits both sides,' says Joanna Monteiro."

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  1. Yet more English learning by AxeTheMax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Never mind English, there are lots of paths to learning it in most countries. Not so the other way. How about a scheme for those of us who want to learn some other, relatively minor language, where it is difficult to even find basic texts outside its native country?

    1. Re:Yet more English learning by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How about a scheme for those of us who want to learn some other, relatively minor language, where it is difficult to even find basic texts outside its native country

      There are thousands of languages in the world, many not committed to writing, so there are a lot of "minor" languages for which one would have trouble finding texts. But what is the likelihood of you being interested in languages so "minor"? For languages large enough for people in other countries to hear of them, there's a good change that you can find texts on the internet if you simply look harder.

      For example, I am a linguist working with minority languages of Russia, namely Mari, Chuvash, Tatar and Udmurt, and even when I started learning these languages a decade ago, there were already abundant internet resources: lots of bloggers, provincial newspapers, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty has a Tatar service with long articles on their website. Text has always been easy to get, but the last five years have seen a rise in the availability of audio/video materials. State television is now regularly uploading broadcasts to YouTube, and independent media occasionally posts videos.

      Plus, linguists have been one of the scholarly communities most dedicated to supporting pirate ebook sites. If you know where to look, you can find scanned and uploaded readers for nearly any documented language.

    2. Re:Yet more English learning by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      If I had someone to practice with, sign language would be an interesting one to learn over Skype, provided you had decent cinematography on each end.

      Perhaps genetic therapies and the ubiquity of cochlear implants will obviate the need but I have meet a lot of elderly people who are too proud to admit they're losing their hearing and won't get their ears tested for an aid.

      They say retirement care is a rapidly growing industry for a rapidly ageing western world...

      (My father went deaf as a youth and required hearing aids for the rest of his life. Which was problematic at times because he'd take them off at home and never put them in the same spot - thus you'd be hunting for an aid. He never learnt sign language but we had a family vocabulary of about a dozen miming actions!)

    3. Re:Yet more English learning by CRCulver · · Score: 2

      Note that in the case of Brazilian kids learning English from American old people, it is the young people learning a language. The old people are only getting social contact from this, not learning Portuguese. While there will always be unusually motivated people who manage to take up a foreign language in old age, in the main one cannot expect elderly Americans to start doing so. Sign language is challenging even for younger generations who have already passed the age at which languages can be acquired natively.

    4. Re:Yet more English learning by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whatevs, bro. Maybe someday you'll pick up a popular introduction to linguistics and stop spouting pseudoscience.

      The Chinese know this? Looking at the Chinese language over the three millennia of its attestation, it has undergone continual change (and even passed through three different typological categorizations) in spite of the continuity of "Chinese civilization". If anything, they are a counterexample to your thinking. Peoples succeed or fail regardless of what languages they speak.

    5. Re:Yet more English learning by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      Never mind English, there are lots of paths to learning it in most countries. Not so the other way. How about a scheme for those of us who want to learn some other, relatively minor language, where it is difficult to even find basic texts outside its native country?

      LiveMocha used to be good until Rosetta Stone bought them out and ruined it. :-(

    6. Re:Yet more English learning by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      People succeeding and failing regardless of the language they speak? Are you seriously making that statement?

      The most successful people are those that speak the lingua franca. (Yes, I know exactly what that means and where the term came from.) The Chinese are not a counter-example. When the Chinese became more unified, they did so through language unification and even simplification. The language has become very efficient. And English? Well, it's the lingua franca for now despite how bad it's getting.

      I seriously don't know why I have been modded as flamebait. What have I said that's not true? It's far from pseudoscience when there have been many studies on the connection between language and intelligence which lead to this general understanding. It may be simplistic to say, but highly illustrative to the point, but languages that do not include a zero in their counting systems understandably have weaker math skills. That should come as no surprise to anyone. But as language and standards and styles of usage go, it's not hard to see where things break down and fail.

      People are amazingly quick to bash, but amazingly reluctant to to offer up anything substantive to counter. (And once again, in case I wasn't clear, there is no 3000 year old Chinese language. Mandarin, in its current form doesn't go back that far. The oldest standard goes back what? Just over 600 years or so? So if you think you are right, please try again.

    7. Re:Yet more English learning by GuitarNeophyte · · Score: 2

      I think that the question isn't "which" language you know, but "how many" you know. The more languages you know, the more perspectives of the world you can see. Each language, like you mentioned, has encapsulated their cultures and belief systems. This language does shape the users of the languages, and the users also shape their ever-evolving language.

      That being said, it doesn't make one language objectively "better" than another -- it just means that one language has a different focus than another. Sure, from the evolutionary standpoint of languages, whichever language lasts longer may facilitate a more lasting culture, but for many languages, it's just that each has a different way of looking at life. I would love to learn several languages, just to have several different perspectives on the world and life.

      The US culture, for example, is all about active voice. We hate passive voice, because nobody takes the blame or responsibility for them. If someone says, "The vase was broken", we immediately react with "By whom?" (well, we'll probably say, "Who did it?", but still..) In Spanish, we use, "Se me rompió el jarrón." The direct translation is, "The vase broke itself to me." In the grammatical construction, we let people know that it wasn't intentional. The Spanish language isn't as blame-focused as English. Does it make it better? Worse? That's up to the users. Does it make it last longer? Time will tell.

      There isn't a way to objectively rank language by "betterness", unless you have a set goal that you want to accomplish. Only cultures get to decide what their own goals are, and they will shape their own language by their own goals.

      TL;DR Languages are only limited by what their culture's priorities are. If the culture's priorities change, the languages will too, effectively removing said limitations. Language is only seen as limiting if you're on the outside, wanting the culture to change to be more like you.

  2. Is this a good idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, let's teach the children that it's a good idea to videochat with older strangers on the internet, what could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re:Is this a good idea? by hnangelo · · Score: 2

      They are not young children, they are late teenagers.

  3. Brazilian kids and Elderly Americans? by kaendesmut · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, i don't want to be pedantic on this but really upsets me when people say "Americans", it's wrong in so many ways that worries me a lot for the kind of education that US kids have. For example, it would be awful if you refer to a french and a portuguese in this way: "Portuguese kids and Elderly Europeans". As far as i know, Brazil is still an American country.

    1. Re:Brazilian kids and Elderly Americans? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does nation of Brasil have the word "America" in its official name?

      How about Canada? Mexico? Guatemala? Let's go down the list and see.

    2. Re:Brazilian kids and Elderly Americans? by jittles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does nation of Brasil have the word "America" in its official name?

      How about Canada? Mexico? Guatemala? Let's go down the list and see.

      Except that the America in the name of the USA refers to its location. Everyone in North and South America is an American. Because, as per your logic, they live on a continent with America in its official name. When I travel abroad and people ask me where I am from, I tell them I am from the United States. I do not tell them that I am an American because that narrows it down to 35 countries.

    3. Re:Brazilian kids and Elderly Americans? by jittles · · Score: 2

      Why is it is so difficult for smart asses like yourself? When you are unsure of a word's meaning, consult your dictionary.

      American noun 1 a native or citizen of the United States.

      That's the primary definition. As a secondary definition, it can also be used to describe someone born in any country in North, Central, or South America.

      And which dictionary are you consulting? And even if that is the case, why is it correct to put people from the US above citizens in other countries of the Americas. It's very egocentric.

      When you're talking to someone in Spanish and you want to say you're from America, you are saying quite literally that you are from the United States. That may not be true in all languages, but the Spaniards lead the European colonization efforts of the new world and they obviously felt it was an important distinction to make. Perhaps everyone knows what you mean, but that doesn't mean you don't sound like an arrogant ass when you say it.

  4. Useful at last.... by Urquhardt · · Score: 2

    Finally.... a real use for the internet.

  5. Re:Disgusting by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are being used to further facilitate the downfall of the USA and its cultures and history.

    By helping to spread the language and culture prevalent in the US?

    Intresting theory.

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  6. Re:Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So your choice is....

    You go to the seniors who reek of piss and vomit and spend the time with them.

    Here we have a win-win. The oldies of your decadent country are helping disadvantaged kids learn about English and your US Culture, improving them markedly. And as the payoff to the other side, your piss-smelling grandparents are able to have a little human interaction, a little break from the fact that you are too fuvking lazy to visit them.

    If ANYTHING is facilitating the downfall of your country, it's you and your pathetic ilk.

  7. Who Cares, Still Useful by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not all of us care to read Reddit.

    The ones who sure surely are mentally strong enough to handle a repost every now and again?

    Besides, don't you have the private pleasure of reading it first...

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  8. Re:Winner by ph1ll · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "This scheme is a great success that is transforming the Brazilian culture"

    And American culture too, I predict. As we don't have time for our elderly, I wonder how many more will find new little friends on the internet to whom they can recount their stories and who will keep them company?

    This is a good story for everyone.

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  9. Re:Brazilian kids and Elderly Yanks. by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    ..but they understand "gringo". ;)

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  10. Re:Meta-pedant by jabuzz · · Score: 2

    I was born and grew up in ENGLAND, and let me tell you there was such a notion as a continent called "America". So I don't know where your English speaking nations are, but they are decidedly not in England.

    Though to be balanced we do have a notion of North and South America, but I doubt anyone would question either usage, and certainly not when I was growing up.

  11. Re:Disgusting by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have seen far too much senior exploitation

    My son participated in something similar in the early 90's. He was in the last year of primary school (Australia), after introducing the kids to a group of senior via a "party" in a nearby retirement home they paired off kids with seniors followed by maybe a dozen weekly visits where the kids and seniors just sat around and talked. The class was the weekly visit itself there were no set topic of discussion and no notebooks, the home work was to describe each weeks visits in writing. My son was paired up with a Hiroshima survivor who had fought for the Japanese army in Burma, not an everyday lesson but certainly a valuable one.

    Having said that, I fully acknowledge that the majority of old people living in these places are either not lucid, require hospitalization, or are not lucky/rich enough to land in descent seniors accommodation: I drove a taxi for 3yrs during the 80's, I've probably seen the inside of more old people's homes than you would care to imagine. A "computer pen pal" scheme such as this one would be a welcome improvement to the depressing circumstances I witnessed in at least 3/4 of those homes. I can still picture the (very)old man with a vomit stained dressing gown tied to a wheel chair in a "geriatric centre" that had been built in the windowless basement of a large hospital, they hadn't even bothered to paint the concrete walls. It's one of the most pitiful real life scenes I've witnessed in 55yrs. But old people wallowing in "piss and vomit" is much worse than just "exploiting" someone vulnerable for financial gain, it's two of the worst of human traits combined - cruelty and neglect.

    What these disgracefully neglected people need is basic dignity and respect. Assuming the status-quo in old folks homes doesn't inexplicable change tomorrow, a "bright-eyed and bushy tailed" teenager that reacts to them as a student reacts to a respected teacher is precisely the psychological boost they need. Life experience is all they have left to offer society and they find dignity in the fact that a "young person" (under 70) accepts their offer. Assuming there's no "profit sharing" arrangements between the entity running the old folks home and the advertising company providing the ad-supported social network, I really can't see why you would have a problem with it.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  12. Another 1st World Problem solved! by gsslay · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can't be bothered conversing with the old folks? Fed up with their tales of the old days and embarrassing folksy casual racism?

    Problem solved! Get a developing nation child to talk with them instead, so you can get on with your busy life. All the advantages of cheap labor without the annoyance of immigration!

  13. Re:Winner by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks to YouTube, we can outsource our grandchildren.

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  14. Re:Winner by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is a good story for everyone.

    I don't know. Just wait until have a generation of Brazilians speaking English and sounding like a Jewish grandmother. ;-)

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  15. Re:Winner by cusco · · Score: 2

    And leave in their will . . .

    Imagine how long that would take to wind through probate court.

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  16. Re:Disgusting by cusco · · Score: 2

    This is no troll...

    No, it's an enormous collection of stupidity, ignorance and racism masquerading as 'rose colored glasses' nostalgia.

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