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Game of Thrones Author George R R Martin Writes with WordStar on DOS

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes: "Ryan Reed reports that when most Game of Thrones fans imagine George R.R. Martin writing his epic fantasy novels, they probably picture the author working on a futuristic desktop (or possibly carving his words onto massive stones like the Ten Commandments). But the truth is that Martin works on an outdated DOS machine using '80s word processor WordStar 4.0, as he revealed during an interview on Conan. 'I actually like it,' says Martin. 'It does everything I want a word processing program to do, and it doesn't do anything else. I don't want any help. I hate some of these modern systems where you type a lower case letter and it becomes a capital letter. I don't want a capital. If I wanted a capital, I would have typed a capital. I know how to work the shift key.' 'I actually have two computers,' Martin continued. 'I have a computer I browse the Internet with and I get my email on, and I do my taxes on. And then I have my writing computer, which is a DOS machine, not connected to the Internet.'"

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  1. Amen, brother Amen! by Qbertino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'It does everything I want a word processing program to do, and it doesn't do anything else. I don't want any help. I hate some of these modern systems where you type a lower case letter and it becomes a capital letter. I don't want a capital. If I wanted a capital, I would have typed a capital. I know how to work the shift key.'

    Amen, brother, Amen!

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    1. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by AaronLS · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hallelujah! Trying to select text and it grabs the whole word, or worse, some programs grab the whole word plus a space. Why do I want trailing spaces with everything I paste?

      As a developer thinking about how I can "help" the user, I always favor the perspective that the user knows what they want.

      Some developers make the "they can disable this feature" excuse. The frustrating thing is every time you get a new desktop/phone/upgrade/update you find yourself disabling the same options again and again. Only a small handful of products remember these kinds of settings across devices/installs.

    2. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is because, as a developer, you're a user who understands and knows what you want. Microsoft is writing software for the kind of people who'd type google into the google search bar to get to google.

    3. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by master5o1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Type 'Google' into Bing bar to get Google to search for 'Hotmail' to look at their email and then forward it to their grandchildren.

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    4. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by Richy_T · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was just thinking this would be something a Raspberry Pi would be perfect for.

      In fact, if Wordperfect was still around in a reasonable condition, they could just sell the complete package in a box (just add keyboard and monitor). Or they could just sell the SD card.

    5. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Informative

      So when a user who doesn't know what they want copies a temporary password from an email and pastes it in to a login form is supposed to know to remove the trailing space the Microsoft software so helpfully included?
      Or when you've gone to the pain of selecting only the word and not the trailing space, then select part of another word to paste over, it helpfully inserts a space that you must then delete.

      I'm so glad I don't know what I want.

    6. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is because, as a developer, you're a user who understands and knows what you want. Microsoft is writing software for the kind of people who'd type google into the google search bar to get to google.

      I've done that, intentionally. Do you know why? Because between Microsoft deciding that anything that isn't at least a second level domain is a search request intended for bing and Time Warner deciding that anything that isn't immediately properly resolveable should be DNS redirected to their own god-awful search-like landing page, that can be the most reliable way to get to where I actually want to go.

      I usually have set my DNS to OpenDNS, but if I've rebuilt the machine or traveled and stayed somewhere that mysteriously breaks my manually-specified DNS server, I may have reverted the notebook to use whatever is automatically set by DHCP.

      I usually uncheck software's constant attempts to make [insert name here] my new default search agent, or to activate some added search suggestion do-hickey, but I'm not perfectly vigilant.

      Nevermind that this browser will automatically assume "www." and that browser will automatically assume ".com" and maybe, but not consisntently, if you type "google" you'll actually get to the Google front page.

      The kind of people who type google into the google search bar to get google are the kind of people who are not so technologically savvy that they can consistently prevent the ever-loving war to redirect any user typing something into what should be a URL entry field to some random "search engine" because user traffic = middleman $$$.

      THE UNIFIED SEARCH AND ADDRESS BAR IS TEH DEVIL.

      The Bing toolbar, Google toolbar, or what have you can be ugly clutter, but it can't be subtly screwed with by the other devils.

      And that is why you get people typing google into the google search bar to get to google.

    7. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a fax-through-email service. I had to talk my wife out of using it to send someone some forms back to a person who had emailed her the forms to sign :)

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    8. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by Zibodiz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Forward it to their grandchildren? Try forwarding it to themselves. I have a lady I support who has literally about 40,000 emails -- all of which are incredibly important -- and when she finds one she wants to keep (as opposed to the ones that sit unread in her inbox), she forwards it to herself so that it's her name in the 'from' field, so it's easier to tell which ones she's seen before and liked.
      When she finds a picture on the internet that she wants to keep, she downloads it to her hard drive, attaches it to an email, then sends it to herself. I kid you not. I've tried to explain how things should be done, but learned the hard way that it's not worth it. Instead we've just switched her to Thunderbird, since Outlook Express couldn't handle that many emails. Thunderbird is holding up under the strain quite nicely. Boy was it hard to get her used to it, though. Probably spent 20+ hours one the phone helping her find the 'forward' button and her address book.

    9. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by EuclideanSilence · · Score: 4, Informative

      This should be a clue to everyone how important ease of use is. I know that skilled computer users love following 5 pages of directions linked between 8 different websites written by 4 different people to accomplish 1 simple task (looking at you Linux), but for most people, that's a pain in the ass.

      Name 1 way to back up her emails and pictures on a remote server that requires fewer mouse clicks than forwarding them herself with email. "I've tried to explain how things should be done" -- first rule of UI design, "don't make me think".

    10. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by Zibodiz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Aboslutely. The other thing that should be taken from this is that things need to change less. Change for improvement is one thing, but change for the sake of change is simply not worth the hassle. When XP support ended, this customer was panicked, and felt that she couldn't stay on XP any longer (thanks, CNN), but she is so averse to change that I knew Windows 7 would not be a good change. I set her up with Lubuntu, customized everything to look as close to XP as possible, and still had tons of greif to deal with. In the end, though, it was a very smooth transition; everything she did in XP was possible in Lubuntu, icons were in the same places, programs worked the same. She fussed -- a lot -- about the fact that some of the fonts weren't identical (which would have been worse in Wn 7), and that the desktop icons were slightly larger than in XP, but otherwise things went well.
      I definitely appreciate how projects like Lubuntu have given us the ability to 'hold back time', as it were, for folks who simply cannot handle change. And as a bonus, I successfully converted someone to Linux. Man, I prefer supporting Linux boxes over Windows. So much easier to fix.

    11. Re:Amen, brother Amen! by adolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I email myself all the time.

      I keep backups of most of my data, of course, but email is the most easily-searched, most easily-accessed, and most redundant system I have...and it takes zero additional thought on my part for it to behave in this way.

      Additional redundancy is also simple: If something is Really Important to me, I can send it to myself at multiple independent email servers with ridiculous ease.

      I've been doing it this way since I discovered IMAP something close to 20 years ago.

      The fact that someone is using a tool in a way that you didn't intend should not be taken to indicate that such behavior is wrong, and if IMAP were totally unsuited it wouldn't handle multiple concurrent clients of different types, much less folders, much less generally-sane handling of attachments, much less [...].

      (Granted, this is for stuff that is not secret to me -- just important to me. I don't have many secrets, and any that I do have certainly aren't anywhere near the Internet or any other network.)

    12. Re: Amen, brother Amen! by HappyDrgn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Name 1 way to back up her emails and pictures on a remote server that requires fewer mouse clicks than forwarding them herself with email."

      Dropbox - drag, drop, done. Single click.

  2. Also credits the dude that keeps it running by excelsior_gr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In one of his books, he also gives credit to the guy that keeps that outdated system running.

    1. Re:Also credits the dude that keeps it running by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Funny

      Poor guy has to dick with GRRM's autoexec.bat and config.sys every time he adds a new feast scene.

    2. Re:Also credits the dude that keeps it running by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope he has 50 kaypros or whatever stored in nitrogen somewhere... that can't go on forever.

      I don't see why not. DOS runs fine on modern machines. At some point he may have to switch to emulation, but IA32 emulators should be around for a very very long time.

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    3. Re:Also credits the dude that keeps it running by mjwx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I hope he has 50 kaypros or whatever stored in nitrogen somewhere... that can't go on forever.

      I don't see why not. DOS runs fine on modern machines. At some point he may have to switch to emulation, but IA32 emulators should be around for a very very long time.

      I think you could keep a DOS computer running for the rest of G R.R. Martin's natural life... I think I could keep one running for the rest of my natural life and I'm in my 30's. Hardware was a lot less complex and a bit more over-engineered than it is today. Computers weren't low cost commodity items back then.

      However, I dont think emulation is the right way to replace a dos computer, virtualisation is better. You can install DOS in a VMWare VM easily, whilst emulation like DOSBOX is very good, its still has some issues, a VM will get around most, if not all issues you have with dosbox.

      But I'd bet the reason G R.R. Martin has 2 computers with one elusively for writing is more about a habit than an OS. I think he wants his writing computer to be free of distractions and separate from his general use/entertainment computer.

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  3. Why do people still pay money for basic software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do people still pay money for software performing most basic tasks like Word 365? Nowadays, they have millions of alternatives.

  4. And.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ..it takes him 5 years to write a novel. Now we know why.

    1. Re:And.... by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Funny

      He keeps loosing his new chapters. If you're going to try for a second side on your floppies with a hole punch, you take your chances.

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  5. The Good Old Days! by cogeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still remember WordPerfect 5.1 running on DOS, once you had all the shortcut keys memorized, was lightning fast and did just what it was supposed to. I get so pissed off clicking on the little blue lightning bolt every 5 seconds to undo something Microsoft thought it was helping me "fix."

    1. Re:The Good Old Days! by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I still miss Reveal Codes.

    2. Re:The Good Old Days! by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Reveal Codes" is why it took me zero seconds to learn HTML. It took longer to wrap my head around "save it here, with this name, something.htm (Windows 3.1 FTW), then go to your browser and 'file -> open' that file to see it" than figuring out how tags work. I was like "oh, it's just like reveal codes" and then I just had to learn the tags themselves. Marked-up plain text is one of the greatest things in computerdom.

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  6. Also by sootman · · Score: 4, Funny

    'I have a computer I browse the Internet with and I get my email on, and I do my taxes on. And then I have my writing computer, which is a DOS machine, not connected to the Internet.

    And for the ultimate in security, he also uses 8" floppies.

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  7. He thinks it is not connected to the internet ... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

    . . . but curiosity got the better of those eager NSA employee fans, who have bugged the computer to know what will happen before the rest of the world . . .

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  8. Not "obsolete" by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What does "obsolete" mean? If his writing instrument does what he needs it to do and he's happy using it, then more power to him. Who's to tell him he can't use it, or an IBM Selectric, or even a quill pen and vellum? Nothing is obsolete if it still works for your needs.

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  9. If it ain't broke, don't fix it by steveha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it's working for him, then this makes sense.

    What a non-story!

    P.S. I assume that no words or names in his fantasy world have any accents or any characters not in the basic ASCII set. DOS WordStar is notably lacking in support for extended characters of any sort. (In fact DOS WordStar uses the high bits of characters for its own purposes, so it cannot ever work with anything beyond 7-bit ASCII.)

    http://justsolve.archiveteam.org/wiki/WordStar

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    1. Re:If it ain't broke, don't fix it by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "WordStar is notably lacking in support for extended characters of any sort."

      Like Slashdot 25 years later?

    2. Re:If it ain't broke, don't fix it by xevioso · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hye, don't knock ThÃloündyir, he was a major player in the fantasy series "The $JAk5-~T_8x7XP;Mnmw)+eQdHo'e'=Ue'y!0\HP_].Ax30{ of House B|knn_5_ctp%h$iizImAl\@*D*=9n"

    3. Re:If it ain't broke, don't fix it by bjackson1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      In fact one of the main characters is named John Snow...

      You know nothing about Jon Snow!

    4. Re:If it ain't broke, don't fix it by Mantrid42 · · Score: 4, Funny

      DOS WordStar is notably lacking in support for extended characters of any sort.

      If there's one thing Martin doesn't need, it's more characters.

  10. The Clippy version by Snufu · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It looks like you're trying to write a newsletter about incestuous elves. Would you like assistance?"

  11. Shut up..... by Dareth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Every time someone complains about how long he takes to write a book he kills another Stark!

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  12. Re:640k isn't enough for everybody by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    640k is enough if the processor loads in only part. I remember scrolling in documents of that age in DOS. It was painful. It'd have to read the parts of the document you tried to scroll to. There's no reason you need 640k of RAM to read a 2M file. You just can't have all of it in RAM at the same time. That's how it used to be. The idea of ramdriving every program by loading 100% of every program you are running and 100% of every file used by every one of those programs is silly, but it's the new norm. You don't read what you want, you read it all, even if you don't need it.

    Shit like that is one of the many reasons someone might like the "old" way. It was faster/better. He's writing, not doing a global search and replace (which would be painful on something like that),

    I have no idea of that's how wordstar did it, but I used some that did, I just don't remember which, as most didn't survive the transition to Windows, so they are gone. No need to indicate experience with Write when nobody has heard of it and will assume I made an error.

  13. Re:It kinda makes sense by bhcompy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Douglas Adams typed on an Apple IIe. Many authors bring typewriters or other dummy typing devices with them somewhere so they can remove external influences and distractions during their writing time

  14. Re:640k isn't enough for everybody by sir-gold · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wordstar probably has it's own swap file. Most of the heavy-duty DOS word processors did.

    640k stopped being a real limitation with DOS 5.0 and the EMS/XMS standards. As long as the words and interface elements currently on the screen fit into 640k, you are fine. Also, if you are in a text-only mode (with a flashing square for a mouse cursor), there are memory hacks that can give you up to 720k of conventional ram, at the expense of losing all graphics ability.

  15. Dear developers: STOP HELPING ME! by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    George Martin said it, but I feel like screaming this about a dozen times a day. Don't change my words, my punctuation, or my URL. Don't suggest sites I might want to visit, items I might find interesting, or settings more befitting someone my age. Don't give me the ability to change all things *trivial* (e.g. appearance) but nothing that matters. If you're going to help, help me fix real *problems* and not just appearances. ("Ohhh, Microsoft helped me fix my network problem!" - said No one, ever).

    In short, BUZZ OFF (And get off my lawn).

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  16. Re:somebody make a dragon for dos joke by geekoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    When Smaug came to the Lonely Mountain, he Terminated and stayed resident.

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  17. Re:Why do people still pay money for basic softwar by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Compatibility: we want our documents to look same if we hand them to somebody else. It's not easy to match MS-Word's layout engine bug-for-bug in another product.

  18. Re:He thinks it is not connected to the internet . by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All you need to do is intercept a shipment of a VGA cable

    RAGEMASTER: (see image above, right) A concealed $30 device that taps the video signal from a target's computer's VGA signal output so the NSA can see what is on a targeted desktop monitor. It is powered by a remote radar and responds by modulating the VGA red signal (which is also sent out most DVI ports) into the RF signal it re-radiates; this method of transmission is codenamed VAGRANT. RAGEMASTER is usually installed/concealed in the ferrite choke of the target cable

  19. Typing "google" into search not a bad idea ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is because, as a developer, you're a user who understands and knows what you want. Microsoft is writing software for the kind of people who'd type google into the google search bar to get to google.

    You know, typing a domain name into search is not a terrible thing to do. It is a valid strategy to avoid domain name typos that may land you on a malware site.

  20. 1,000 trailer trucks filled with clay tablets ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Funny

    The publishers I've dealt with won't accept a written manuscript. You must submit it electronically.

    The rules are different for you and I and GRRM. If he showed up at a publisher with a 1,000 trailer trucks filled with clay tablets for book 6 they would sign a deal and cut him a check.

  21. Re:Well I am shocked... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because you have money doesn't mean you need to throw it away on someone who does little more than primary school level maths.

    The math is the easy part. But understanding the tax code: now that's a bitch.

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  22. Re:Dear George R R. Martin by MacTO · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would be hesitant about classifying him as a 'grumpy old man.' As the interview pointed out, he does use more modern software for non-writing tasks. He simply chooses to use an older computer for his writing because it does what he needs and it doesn't interfere with his work.

    The thing with new computers, as with any other technology, is that they have benefits and drawbacks. Writers commonly cite distractions as a problem. These include everything from the urge to edit or format their writing to early, to temptations like the Internet. (Heck, some readers prefer printed books and dedicated ereaders to avoid distractions.) In other cases, writers don't want to mess with their workflow once they have figured out something that works. None of this involves being a grumpy old man, anti-technology, or whatever else you choose to label it as.

    The other thing is that we're talking about production machines here. Many people avoid upgrading production machines because there is a lot of overhead to deal with. For example, turning off all of those features is something that you may have to perform with each software upgrade and it is almost certainly something that you have to perform with each hardware upgrade. If you are in the middle of a project, or picking up on an old project, data must be transferred between machines (in the case of hardware upgrades) and there may be issues with the portability of your files between different versions of the software (in the case of software upgrades). While the latter probably isn't an issue for a novelist upgrading between versions of their word processor, it is certainly true for an author who is switching word processors (which Martin would have had to do at some point if he wanted to stay current) and it is true for people who create more complex documents.

    Now if Martin was griping about his publisher being unable to handle WordStar documents while expressing a fear of modern computers, you may have a point. The thing is, he isn't. Something tells me that the people who are translating his writing into a book aren't complaining about this quirk either -- if for no other reason than Martin's success.

  23. Naming conventions of the other RR by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    the Lannisters, the Starks, the Targaryens, the Tyrells, the Greyjoys all plain English names

    It is a common fantasy translation convention for the viewpoint character's culture to have plain English names. For example, the other well-known RR fantasy author based halflings' names on English naming patterns: Proudfoot, Baggins, Gamgee (from Gammidge, from earlier Gamwich), Brandybuck, etc. (No, Elijah Wood isn't related to Zak Bagans.)

    honestly it's a refreshing break from the high fantasy [Unicode fail]

    Tolkien's elves spoke a language analogus to Romance, and Romance languages have diacritics.

  24. Proved by the fact Word isn't Word compatible by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > It's not easy to match MS-Word's layout engine bug-for-bug in another product.

    I saw proof of that a few weeks ago. My mother's new computer, with a.new version of Word, couldn't open her existing Word files. I had to open them in LibreOffice and save them using the newest version of the newest Word format using LibreOffice. Then Word could open them.

    So yes, in my experience LibreOffice is more compatible with Word than Word is.

  25. Re:It kinda makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some authors just keep using what they started with and refuse to progress over a sense of self-superiority. Nothing he is complaining about can't be disabled in Word. Plus he would have features that would greatly aid his writing. He's purposely creating risk unless he prints out his work on paper daily of losing what he wrote. He causes publishers headaches as they have to take his files convert them to something useable. He makes them millions so they allow his 'quirks' but he's probably one of a very very few authors with that kind of pull.

  26. Re:640k isn't enough for everybody by steveha · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dos can access a lot more than 640k - the limit on real mode access is 1mb.

    True! So, if DOS can access 1 MB, where does the 640K limit come from? Long story short, it's because IBM's BIOS sucked.

    Okay, longer story:

    Everyone was supposed to use the BIOS for basic operations including writing text to the screen. But the BIOS was poorly designed; the only way it had to write to the screen was to write one character at a time per call into the BIOS. And calling into the BIOS was kind of slow (remember we are talking about computers three orders of magnitude slower than current computers... 4.7 MHz processor).

    Since the BIOS was too slow, people didn't use it. Instead, they figured out the address of the screen buffer in the graphics card, and just wrote the desired text directly into the buffer. So much faster!

    But this meant that all the most popular software for DOS was not using the BIOS, and had a particular hardware dependency hard-coded. And the standard address for the frame buffer just happened to be 640K. (Well, there were two addresses, depending on whether the user had a mono or color card, but 640K was the lower of the two.) The address was chosen back in the days when RAM was really expensive, and computers might only have 64K or even less. So, nobody saw a problem coming... and besides, everyone was going to be using the BIOS, right? So you should be able to move the graphics card, change the BIOS, and all the software still would work. Whoops.

    With the benefit of hindsight, what should have happened was: a DOS program uses the BIOS to query the address of the frame buffer, so the graphics card can move around anywhere in memory. And the BIOS should have had a "write whole string" function from the beginning. (Much later versions of the BIOS had a "write whole string" function but I don't think any popular software ever used it, as it was not available in the giant installed base of old DOS computers.)

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  27. Re:No. Simply No. by gl4ss · · Score: 3

    but here's the thing:

    I've not heard anyone describe functionality added to MS Office since Office 2000. Excel has it's uses, but what have they done to it since, except forced people to learn new places for buttons?

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  28. Re: No. Simply No. by CGordy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not that I am in love with Microsoft, but Excel has added quite a few "minor" functions since 2000 that dramatically increase usability.

    For example, Excel 2007 introduced filtering and sorting by colors. And formats. Coupled with the existing conditional formatting, it significantly improved the ability of the software to sort based on any criteria, without using extra columns.

    Going back a bit further, a key feature introduced in Excel 2003 was the ability to import xml datasets, and to set up templates quite easily which automatically imported data from xml files into preset columns. This can be done using macros, sure, but it's a lot easier to use the built in functionality.