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Pentagon Document Lays Out Battle Plan Against Zombies
mpicpp sends this news from CNN: "Never fear the night of the living dead — the Pentagon has got you covered. From responses to natural disasters to a catastrophic attack on the homeland, the U.S. military has a plan of action ready to go if either incident occurs. It has also devised an elaborate plan should a zombie apocalypse befall the country, according to a Defense Department document obtained by CNN. In an unclassified document titled 'CONOP 8888,' officials from U.S. Strategic Command used the specter of a planet-wide attack by the walking dead as a training template for how to plan for real-life, large-scale operations, emergencies and catastrophes."
WTF is all this "zombie attack" crap? Come on - the shit's not REAL, so WTF is the government or anyone else "going off" on this CRAP for anyhow??
* Seriously - DO THEY KNOW SOMETHING I/WE DON'T?
(I mean, come on - please already! That's crap's the provonice of Science Ficiion or Horror films/books - nothing more, so WHY WASTE TIME ON IT - especially with taxpayer monies?)
APK
P.S.=> I mean it...
... apk
I'm glad to see tax money put to such wasteful use... For a brief time I thought they would actually do something worthwhile with taxes.....
Do you get the angry sarcasm in that statement? It is sarcasm!
Pentagon couldn't vey well openly plan to fight a war against the unhappy general US population, opposing it's military dictatorship, so they had to invent "Zombies." The real target here is US citizens who don't like their fascist government.
From the document, it says for this training excersize, "we elected to use a completely impossible scenarios that could never be mistaken as a 'real plan'.
It seems insane to even CONSIDER that as a possible threat or avenue thereof... seriously!
(The only "zombies" are the PUPPETS bought & paid for in government by our NOW fascist bribed off by "lobbyists" politicians... nothing more than puppets of the REAL "powers that be" hiding behind the curtain...)
APK
P.S.=> Stuff's damn FANTASIES, nothing more - why even waste INK on it? apk
How much of this plan could apply to a mass rebellion against a state or the federal government, if people get tired of the corporatism?
What, round everybody up into refugee camps? Pass.
See subject-line above... "will wonders NEVER cease" (along with wasting taxpayer monies).
APK
P.S.=> I am truly amazed... apk
So that's where that last 375 million went! Maybe I should just give the gubmint 100% of my earned income as tax. Wizards of frugality. Because puppies.
Unsuspecting Citizens. A way to cull the masses when unemployment rates go too high.
Tossers, went out triumphs would soon r.oots and gets on
Awhile back the CDC led a zombie awareness campaign involving the public. The objective was not to prepare for actual zombies, but instead to teach basic principles disaster preparedness in a format that would actually get attention.
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THAT actually makes SOME sense here (considering zombies are nonsensical fantasy & nothing more). believe it or not. Wouldn't surprise me @ all!
APK
P.S.=> What you said actually IS scary, i.e. - substituting "zombies" as a word for a revolt of the working class masses (who've been ROYALLY FUCKED OVER by the TRUE controllers of our now VERY fascist government bought off & PAID for by BRIBERY (lobbyists))
I suppose you can say that "We have the BEST GOVERNMENT that money TRULY CAN buy" or rather, buy off... apk
Seems like the only purpose of this article on CNN was to generate page views by people who were fooled by the headline and summary into believing that it actually was meant to be in preparation for a zombie attack. It seems to have worked really well. The purpose of it on /. I don't understand.
Just wondering!
First off: training, as others have said. Ridiculous scenarios have the advantage of being more entertaining and less likely to freak out the populace.
And secondly, if you'll allow me to put on my tinfoil hat for a moment, I imagine the response to a worldwide zombie attack would bear many similarities to the response to mass civilian uprisings - a scenario any power-loving government is afraid of. And can you imagine the reactions if it got out that they had a plan titled "Military response to attempted popular revolution"?
Not to mention that you don't want to encourage the god-and-country loving rank and file to think about how they would react to being ordered to fire on their neighbors - in a crisis situation you can put a lot of psychological pressure on the troops and possibly get at least a few days or weeks of unhappy obedience before you have to start worrying about mass defections, which used intelligently may be enough to get the population back in line. Put them through a training exercise where they have to confront the possibility of being used for civilian oppression beforehand though, and you may find that a lot of them have already decided they'll have no part in it if the scenario becomes reality.
And it has the added benefit that anyone claiming that "zombie apocalypse" is a stand-in for "civilian uprising" will sound like they're off their rocker. And so if you'll excuse me I'm going to remove my tinfoil hat and get on with enjying this beautiful Saturday morning.
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Zombie attack is used as great training because it combines many different types of scenarios into one. It's an infectious disease, so you're training mass prophylaxis etc, people get injured, so it covers mass casualties like a plane crash or big explosion, the zombies come after people in mass like a riot or invasion. The water is assumed to be infected with the zombie virus, so it trains infrastructure disaster, etc. Nearly everybody involved with emergency response has to do their job for a zombie scenario, so it's great for a large, coordinated training exercise.
The last time we ran zombies, here in College Station, I don't know that the computer emergency response people were included. That's the only group not trained by zombie that I can think of. Maybe next time we'lldo zombie hackers. :)
I work at TEEX in College Station, where we train all sorts of peoplefor every disaster imaginable - we have wrecked trains, buildings that collapse on demand, etc. Most of the classes we offer can probably be included in a zombie scenario .
I hang around in survivalists circles a little bit and there's a little bit of a saying there "If you can survive a zombie apocalypse you can survive almost anything" The idea of walking undead creatures with a taste for human flesh is very unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely), but the skills & tools for surviving one will prepare you for a variety of situations (natural disaster, civil unrest, economic collapse, etc). The idea of the military preparing for mass numbers of "zombies" (civilians) rising up and assaulting them is not very settling. There are not many situations in which this kind of training would be necessary except for a civilian uprising, save for some of the aspects of dealing with an defending from assault with limited resources, a breakdown of communications & no backup.
that plan actually covers the uprising of large parts of the population against the government.
To have any chance, all dead who haven't completely disintegrated would have to zerg rush military bases. That's the only possible way.
It's like Risk, Japan has to take Hawaii, or not, but it's decided early on.
An alternate strategy, attack and convert the populace early, would just suffer the same fate even if successful.
Now, take out ammo plants, that might work if your zergs can out-attrit bullet stores in bases.
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If you read the second link to the actual document. The very beginning is a disclaimer that basically states they used this scenario specifically to add interest to an otherwise dry subject.
It doesn't change the subject, nor the training. It merely adds a little 'fun' to the course.
As other posters noted. The survival techniques are still valid. The Zombie angle just to make it interesting. And most people will retain more from an interesting class than a dull one.
The headline is clickbait.
If they were saying "OMG there might really be a zombie apocalypse then yeah, what B.S.
But that isn't the point at all.
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We call the computers of private citizens infected by botnet logic Zombies. So perhaps we can just have a virus that also is digital to include the CERT team as well.
They know what's coming.
MIT has calculated 40 years ago that our civilization will collapse, having reached it's limit for growth, somewhere around the years 2030.
These calculations, statistical analysis and mathematical modeling have been confirmed many times with new data available since the '70s.
What they are preparing for, is the hordes of zombie like famished people roaming cities and countryside looking for something to eat and no choice other than doing anything for it.
See here the latest confirmation of the MIT's calculations:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/looking-back-on-the-limits-of-growth-125269840/?no-ist=
Some viral contagions could be so bad that you have to kill at a distance, and stay the f away from the body without super spaceship equipment.
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A contagion that runs a high fever and huge agitation could turn a block of your neighborhood into a zombie movie scene.
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Believe it.
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(PS. They are training to get the soldiers use to the idea of killing their own family when they are going through your city block rounding up 'bad people,' like you are likely.)
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I went to read the plan from the link in TFS. It sent me to a document hosted on scribd.com, which required a facebook login to download. So this means that in order to defend ourselves against a zombie attack, we will have to be assimilated so we can even read the plan.
Have gnu, will travel.
Brainless Walking Dead, that describes most of the politicians running/ruining the country right now.
Happy people make bad consumers.
I saw the ***exact same thing***
fsking CIA criminals & their aristocrat/illuminati overlords
Jeb Bush 2016!
Thank you Dave Raggett
1) Conservatives vote brainlessly on dead social issues where the public was only on their site when they were alive.
2) They screw themselves by supporting people and policies against their own interests-- that is just brainless!
3) They are after the brains of others; just like killing the golden goose they attack the sources of the great stuff they wish to have. Anti-science but their whole life is loaded with the results of it, if not having science give them their life and keep it in the 1st place!
Mostly it's #1 and #2 is only similar in that they are incredibly stupid.
Money buys government. Our votes are symbolic; ignoring the cheating games keeping people distracted, it's a choice between a flavor of corruption.
One is faster than the other but it depends on the flavor in what way. Some issues 1 side can do faster on the guise of compromise and something extremely unpopular just causes a switch out later and a different set of things can be done until revisiting it again--- after voters forget... they only have about a 1 year memory and on big issues you only need to wait about 8 years; on bigger things it only takes a generation to change.
Why buy votes? The system is easy to rig because the weak point is controlling the available options.
Regulatory capture. You don't even need the common situation (like FCC today) you can do it by offering great jobs AFTER, nobody can stop that short of laws limiting their employment later (and that of their spouse and kids.)
Use the pawns you own in gov and other powers to force politicians or better yet, to manipulate them. Such as showing them those nutty threat assessments (which were designed for experts to filter and summarize not for politicians to read because the things are nearly as ridiculous as alien or zombie threats.) The power of the staffers is incredible! Load those up and you can push politicians around without them knowing it.
Power and influence too great undermines any system you can devise. The ONLY solution is to limit power and it's influence over governance. Branches of government help, term limits kind of (but not really, plenty of corrupt people waiting and effective honest people are RARE,) and the taboo thing in the USA, limiting private influence... which ultimately means income caps.
Then you have the professional Roman Army that helped collapse that empire... A drafted one makes it harder for the powerful to be immune.
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Zombies have always been a metaphor for the less-intelligent and technologically underequipped races.
In any sort of US collapse scenario the military will need to exterminate any rioters that threaten the 1% who have been chosen to survive. The military will better armed, more mobile. They will only lack numbers. Should they be surrounded by a pack of "zombies" and their supplies run dry, they face certain doom.
These scenarios are just a way of training for mass scale slaughter of Americans.
It's a way to model attacks by [current favorite threat] or [some other threat] without the risk that you'll get caught yet again using training material that's racist or religiously prejudiced or stupidly outdated, avoids the political problems of using training material where the "enemy" is now one of our allies (like the Germans or Russians or in some decades, Iraqis), and eliminates the problem that the training-material enemy is some national or ethnic group that some of your soldiers happen to belong to. And it means you don't have to do sensitivity training for the people who write your training material.
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*sigh* The military is not preparing for any such thing, the tinfoil worn by many survivalists has worn off on you. The military is conducting a _training exercise_, in which commanders and their staff practice taking high level planning/guidance (CONOP 8888 in this case) and transforming it into plans, taskings, and orders.
You're reading way too much into this. This is a paper exercise for a staff training course. Exercise writers get bored too, and they come up with all kinds of outrageous/silly things.
This isn't sarcasm. My comment is genuine. I'm disturbed by what you've chosen to do, but relieved that you've tried to block others from accessing your supplies.
DFL primaries seem to function but the GOP ones are largely rigged. I have also observed primary cheating (and it's legal.)
Say you get your honest candidate in or your 3rd party person gets into 1 of the two parties. If your person gets to run, then you have not only the other side and likely the press against them (because the press defends the established parties) but you have some of their own party working against them; especially the corrupt elements of their own party.
Ultimately, you can and I often do blame the public, which is an argument that applies to everybody in every form of tyranny. It's one thing to rise up against a dictator and quite another to wake up against The Brave New World. Modern mass-control methods (when you start learning about them) makes one wonder if democracy is even possible in the future... you don't need to fool everybody all the time, just a majority... and getting people to NOT vote and give up is just 1 technique out of a continually growing list of techniques.
The voting process itself has a massively huge impact; the only hope is to get good voting systems in place. We have nothing of the kind. It would be a miracle to use the broken system against the entrenched powers to repair itself long enough for it to begin to function again.
All that said, all democracies fall into despotism-- that is just the natural life cycle. Sadly, we live during the end of our short-lived one. It's the people who are responsible for that as well; which is why fixes don't really work - once the disease spreads you are only buying time. Sorry to be realistic.
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