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The Big Biz of Spying On Little Kids

theodp writes: "'The NSA,' writes POLITICO's Stephanie Simon in her eye-opening Data Mining Your Children, 'has nothing on the ed tech startup known as Knewton. The data analytics firm has peered into the brains of more than 4 million students across the country. By monitoring every mouse click, every keystroke, every split-second hesitation as children work through digital textbooks, Knewton is able to find out not just what individual kids know, but how they think. It can tell who has trouble focusing on science before lunch — and who will struggle with fractions next Thursday.' Simon adds, 'Even as Congress moves to rein in the National Security Agency, private-sector data mining has galloped forward — perhaps nowhere faster than in education. Both Republicans and Democrats have embraced the practice. And the Obama administration has encouraged it, even relaxing federal privacy law to allow school districts to share student data more widely.'"

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  1. big data,,, by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...is the new 42.

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    1. Re:big data,,, by ultranova · · Score: 2

      Is there any analysis that shows the rewards of big data are not meeting the risk (ie dismantling the intrinsic built-in trust of a civilised society and the govts we elect to serve us)?

      A more cynical person might suggest that dismantling the trust is the reward some people seek. Divide and conquer is an old, venerable tactic used by both current and would-be tyrants everywhere.

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    2. Re:big data,,, by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is there any analysis that shows the rewards of big data are not meeting the risk (ie dismantling the intrinsic built-in trust of a civilised society and the govts we elect to serve us)?

      A more cynical person might suggest that dismantling the trust is the reward some people seek. Divide and conquer is an old, venerable tactic used by both current and would-be tyrants everywhere.

      And yet strangely, the technique and how to recognize it is not taught as a regular part of every school's history or civics class.

      In a less dysfunctional society where at least a few important things are not run by sociopaths, "Divide and Conquer" (perhaps taught by reading some Julius Caesar), "Propaganda Techniques", and "Logical Fallacies" would be mandatory courses for every human being.

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  2. Is this a big deal? Don't we want it? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is fine if the parents agree to it. (Do they?) And as long as it is anonymized and not sold to Coke.

    Finally, applying science to learning at a more detailed level. What works, what is crap, what is overkill.

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  3. Re:Is this a big deal? Don't we want it? by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

    The bigger bonus to this is that it teaches children that constant surveillance is OK and expected.

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  4. Wow! by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We really need a third party - I'm sick of both of the Republicans and Democrats. They both suck!!

    1. Re:Wow! by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are plenty of emergent parties. There is Socialist Alernative in Seattle, Mountain Party of West Virginia, Vermont Progressive Party, Independent Party of Connecticut, the DC Statehod/Green Party, and most states have a chapter of the Green Party. Vote for one of their candidates.

    2. Re:Wow! by Zenin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's interesting. Especially given that the right have been driving the entire political landscape in the US for the last 30+ years. We're at the point now where we have three parties, "Batshit crazy extremist right-wing nuts" (The Tea Party), far right extremists (Republicans) and right-wing (Democrats).

      The reality is that Obama is solidly to the right of Reagan on nearly everything. Reagan, if he were alive to run today, would be denounced as a RINO and destroyed in the primaries. Hell, even if he converted to a Democrat he'd get denounced as being too liberal for the mainstream.

      America doesn't know what left or progressive is, given they've rarely ever seen a progressive candidate in much of the last century.

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    3. Re:Wow! by Zenin · · Score: 2

      Ya know, it's kinda funny.

      When you ask the American people, "Do you want more government or less", they answer less on the whole.

      When you ask them about specifics however, ask them about actual issues. On healthcare, safety standards, environmental protection, education, labor rights, military, taxes, etc, etc, etc, etc... They come out overwhelmingly progressive.

      The right can't win on the issues, and they know it. Their playbook has remained unchanged for decades if not centuries: Obscure, reframe, redirect, deceive. They rarely if ever speak out their motives or ideology in plain language, because when they do they get absolutely flayed by the regular public and abandoned by their cohorts.

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    4. Re:Wow! by LongearedBat · · Score: 2

      So in the US being liberal means being on the left?!?

      In Australia the Liberal Party is a relatively right wing party.

    5. Re:Wow! by Zenin · · Score: 2

      Thank you for bringing up issues like healthcare: Today's "socialist" ObamaCare plan was yesterday's fringe extremist right-wing health plan when it was proposed as an alternative to (center-left) HillaryCare. It's a fantastic example of just how far the "center line" of politics in the US has been pushed far, FAR to the right.

      On the whole your essay either oversimplifies the (lack of) distinctions to the point of being invalid, or just gets the points wrong on all counts.

      With a few notable social issue exceptions (that honestly don't really matter, but have been great for riling up "the base" on both sides), the debate has marched fast and steadily to the right for decades. Largely not by arguing for right-wing ideas and winning, but rather by cunningly moving the center line allowing them to argue what had been solidly "center" for the better part of a century was now "left wing extremism". The reframe was clever, undeniable, and incredibly effective. It's even snowed you.

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  5. Re:Is this a big deal? Don't we want it? by ccguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The bigger bonus to this is that it teaches children that constant surveillance is OK and expected.

    To be honest I think doing this to children is a lot better than doing it to adults. I mean, adults are doing nothing about it, but children will quickly learn that they are under surveillance at all times and will take extreme measures to counter it. I don't know of any child who isn't an expert on defeating their parents control techniques, whatever they are.

  6. Re:Home schooling by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's like using "Do not track", and about as effective.

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  7. Overreacting, maybe? by fermion · · Score: 3, Insightful
    First, when a kid is in the roll of the student, there is not much expectation of privacy. There is an limitation to those who are allowed to invade the privacy, but it is not like a 15 year old kid who surfs p0rn can complain to his parents of the school that they violated his privacy by spying on him, even if he bought the phone and pays the bill.

    This is obviously an exaggeration, but the point is the same. If a student is working on an assignment, she is always observed to make sure for on task behavior, or to make sure the process is correct. The computer is no different. One problem with computer as a educator is that many students don't really know how to use it as tool. They only know how to use it as game. It is the difference between a pencil as a tool to complete a worksheet, or a pencil as toy to throw or use to play sword fighting. Both are legitimate uses of a pencil, in the proper circumstances, and kids need to be taught to use it as the former for typical educational purposes.

    So depending on how the data is used the age of the student, it is perfectly reasonable, even beneficial, for software to be monitoring the students behavior. The act of monitoring, just like in the classroom, can positively effect the students behavior. Likewise, constantly monitoring the use and effectiveness of the material is called formative assessment, which is not only beneficial but also required if you are going to give a student the unique educational experience that everyone seems to be clamoring for.

    So this is not necessarily like Disney tracking every move of the six year old children. If this is a legitimate educational service, and they violate the privacy of students, even if the students are over 13 years old(and Disney is free to do whatever they want with 13 year old children), they are in violation of federal laws protecting the privacy of students. This does not mean they cannot collect data, it just means they are limited in how they can use it, and who can see it.

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    1. Re:Overreacting, maybe? by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      little problem with your observation, traditionally the low amount of privacy was limited to a few people in the school; computers and networks can spread a child's personal information far and wide outside the realm of the local school and a few teachers with a principal.

  8. Re:Home schooling by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's why I home school.

    Home-schoolers are one of the biggest markets for "e-learning" products. I don't think the average home-schooling parent is aware of the privacy-violation potential.

  9. Re:Is this a big deal? Don't we want it? by jd2112 · · Score: 2

    Some people say if you were at Woodstock, you never really returned from it... dude...

    On the other hand if you remember being at Woodstock you probably weren't there.

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  10. Re:Is this a big deal? Don't we want it? by StillAnonymous · · Score: 2

    No, even if it is anonymized, this is a big "do not want". You must assume that this data will make its way into the hands of Coke, Apple, the banks, and government entities.

    These guys are quickly figuring out how the human brain works through methods like this, and they aren't using it for your benefit. It's being used to figure out how to sell you more crap, how to convince you to get others to buy more crap, and how to adjust your thinking patterns.

    I find it amazing how well people are programmed through today's media. Even here on slashdot you have so many "individuals" who parrot media talking points to a tee, that it's unlikely they came to those conclusions on their own.

    The human mind is simply another machine. Once they figure out what thought categories you fall into, they know what code path to feed you to influence you in their direction. This idea won't sit well with most folks, because they think they're too smart to fall for that, but I see it time and again with otherwise brilliant people who are suckered in by the agendas of others. I see it happen to myself as well, and it's scary.

    There is no way I want my kids to be providing data for the enemy.

  11. Heaven forbid the parents get involved. by Chas · · Score: 2

    Actually at least one has tried. A guy down in Nevada tried to find out what kind of info they're collecting on his kid.

    The silly bastards want to charge him $10,000 for the info. Supposedly it'll take 3 weeks of programming time to get the data out.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/...

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