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James Cameron and Eric Schmidt's SOI Grieve Loss of Nereus ROV

theodp (442580) writes "Wealthy guys love extreme submarines, observed Billionaire in 2012. And the Washington Post reported that deep sea exploration is getting to be a rich man's game in 2013. The NY Times also covered the privatization of American science earlier this year. So, it's not too surprising to see the [Google Chair Eric] Schmidt Ocean Institute (SOI) post filmmaker James Cameron's eulogy-of-sorts for the loss of the Nereus ROV, the hybrid remotely operated vehicle that's believed to have imploded under 16,000 PSI of pressure at a depth of 9,990 meters as it explored the Kermadec Trench. 'I feel like I've lost a friend,' wrote Cameron. 'I always dreamed of making a joint dive with Nereus and [Cameron's] Deepsea Challenger at hadal depth.' Also feeling Cameron's pain is SOI, which used the Nereus to explore the Mid-Cayman Rise in 2013 and had plans to use the $6 million HROV again to explore the Mariana Trench in two missions later this year. SOI is currently working with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution to build the world's most advanced deep-diving robotic vehicle for use on SOI's ship R/V Falkor, which Wendy Schmidt indicated provides ship time that enables researchers to tap into available funding."

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  1. 6.21 miles deep, that's impressive.

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    1. Re:WOW by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Look at what Jim Cameron's brother Mike does for a living. Extreme stuff like that is in the family's blood.

    2. Re:WOW by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Mike Cameron, brother to James, is a super-smart aerospace engineer. He came up with a way to film at 12,600 feet underwater, and JPL wants to use the technology to explore one of the moons of Jupiter."

      Oh great, haven't they read the memo about attempting no landings there? Now those aliens are going to get all monolith on our asses.

    3. Re:WOW by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was so impressed, it imploded!

  2. Re:Meanwhile... by phantomfive · · Score: 1, Informative

    back up on land, people in other parts of the world are starving...

    And you haven't donated any of your money to help them, have you?

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  3. Is this a special posting? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why does this posting reek of a PR person's assignment? Has /. sunk that low?

    1. Re:Is this a special posting? by cultiv8 · · Score: 4, Informative

      A big chunk of us are hanging out over at SoylentNews.

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    2. Re:Is this a special posting? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Erh... if this is supposed to be an ad, it backfires badly. Just take a look around at the comments...

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    3. Re:Is this a special posting? by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
      Unfortunately, for the past little while, the stories haven't!

      So hard to admit slashdot is dead.

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    4. Re:Is this a special posting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Shush! There has been enough news on Slashdot about SoylentNews. Do we really want the sort of people who still can't find it? Let them stay in Slashdot. Might buy us maybe a year or so of higher signal to noise ratio.

    5. Re:Is this a special posting? by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does, because James Cameron IS James Cameron.

    6. Re:Is this a special posting? by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      It has sunk low enough to cave under the pressure to publish slashvertisements.

  4. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How many miles can THEY go under the sea.

    Besides, they are generally starving because leaders of their land are on a power trip. Not playing with subs is going to help them not at all; sending more aid just means another gold plated limo for the king.

    I'd rather have the submersible exist, thanks.

  5. Should have been "Schmidt Ocean Laboratory" by hey! · · Score: 3, Funny

    Then the initials would have been "S.O.L."

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    1. Re:Should have been "Schmidt Ocean Laboratory" by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      One rule of thumb I remember from way back... an institute founded by an individual and named after himself usually means it mainly generates pseudoscience.

      Also, was anyone else disappointed that Mr. Cameron wasn't on that sub when it imploded?

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    2. Re:Should have been "Schmidt Ocean Laboratory" by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Also, was anyone else disappointed that Mr. Cameron wasn't on that sub when it imploded?

      What grievous offence has he committed upon your person that you'd wish him a horrendous death and his body likely never recovered? I quite liked Aliens myself.

  6. Re:Rich Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Mr Schmidt played in a key role in the re-election of President Barack Obama last month, helping to oversee Google's $700,000 donation to his campaign."

    Link

  7. Re:Rich Republicans... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Relax. Either he discovers something for science or he eventually removes himself from the gene pool.

    It's just so win-win...

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  8. They will build a better one by NixieBunny · · Score: 2

    Underwater robotics is all about advancing the state of the art. A machine that lived six years was reaching obsolescence. I'm sure that the boys in the back room will have fun building its successor. (I have helped to build a few underwater robots for competitions, and it's always a joy to start work on the next one.)

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    1. Re:They will build a better one by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Underwater robotics is all about advancing the state of the art. A machine that lived six years was reaching obsolescence.

      In the eyes of folks who build underwater robots, that may be true. For folks who use underwater robots to accomplish a task, it's all about accomplishing that task. State of the art, obsolescent, obsolete, they simply don't care so long as it works and accomplishes what they ask of it.
       

      I'm sure that the boys in the back room will have fun building its successor.

      I'm sure the boys in the back room will have fun. The men who pay the bills, and the men who planned on using the existing one next week (month, year, however long it takes to replace the lost one) won't be having nearly as much fun.

  9. People should learn history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    “For better or worse,” said Steven A. Edwards, a policy analyst at the American Association for the Advancement of Science, “the practice of science in the 21st century is becoming shaped less by national priorities or by peer-review groups and more by the particular preferences of individuals with huge amounts of money.”

    Coz, like, science has never relied on rich benefactors before. Hint: Before government-funded science it was rich benefactors that provided residence, food and money for artisans and scientists.

    1. Re:People should learn history by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Some one give the AC a mod point for the headline.

      History is is the fastest way to understanding Science (with a capital 'S') and one of the best "executive summaries" I've read (and watched) is The ascent of man.

      Most of the pre-1900 polymaths that gave us the enlightenment were either nobility or one social step down from it. The simple fact of the matter is that they were the only people who could afford the "leisure time" to purse their intellectual curiosity. It was not unusual for these people to pay someone like Galileo (the orphaned son of a prostitute) to do the actual grunt work required to satisfy their curiosity. However Galileo was more of an exception than a rule, the vast majority of commoners could not even read and write until public education was introduced in the mid-1800's.

      Edison gets a lot of flack on /. from elephant huggers and Telsa fans, but the fact remains that Menlo Park was the world's first modern laboratory. Modern research is almost without exception, based on Edison's model - ie: find an interesting observation in nature such as, electricity can make a filament glow red, then through trial and error work towards a practical goal such as, the light bulb (which is why a picture of a light bulb is synonymous with "an idea")

      Contrast Edison's approach to that of Newton. The story is that when his friend Mr Haley told him about his idea of a recurring comet and asked for advice on how to work out the orbital period from observations, Newton said he had written down some "mathematical principles" that may help and started looking through his (extensive) papers for "something I wrote a while ago". He failed to find it but assured his friend he would try and recreate the document. Two years later he gave his friend a copy of his "Principa" - Arguably the most useful scientific document ever written, it's often credited as the birth certificate of the enlightenment and the point in history where science threw away it's religious crutches to stand or fall on it's own philosophical foundations.

      Disclaimer: I was educated in 1960's Oz, all I remember 40yrs later is the political message I was supposed to learn - "this country was built on the sheep's back". it's a shame because Australia actually has the world's oldest culture, a culture that has managed a continent as an "estate" for at least 40,000 years under "The law" (which like the old testament wraps everyday practicalities within religious stories), they invented maps, invented grindstones, carved a massive "cathedral" from sandstone that is 20,000 years older than stone henge and the artwork that's left in the half that is still standing is maintained by the ancestors who are alive today (pics or it didn't happen are somewhere in here). I still consider myself ignorant about history, not from lack of interest but because of the sheer scale of the subject. The best way I've found to absorb some of the more interesting bits is by reading biographies of historical figures that intrigue me for whatever reason.

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    2. Re:People should learn history by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      âoeFor better or worse,â said Steven A. Edwards, a policy analyst at the American Association for the Advancement of Science, âoethe practice of science in the 21st century is becoming shaped less by national priorities or by peer-review groups and more by the particular preferences of individuals with huge amounts of money.â

      Coz, like, science has never relied on rich benefactors before. Hint: Before government-funded science it was rich benefactors that provided residence, food and money for artisans and scientists.

      Really, what is the government but a very rich benefactor? In the same vein, shaping science to "national priorities" isn't so different from shaping it to "private priorities". Fame, pork, and profit... or fame and profit, the difference in motivations and goals seems miniscule from where I sit. (Keeping in mind that profit to the government isn't necessarily cash. It could be a better way to preserve food so your armies don't have to forage, or smaller nuclear weapons.) Even with the government in the driver's seat and paying the bills, not everyone got funded. Don't bring up basic science, both private and government benefactors pay for what supports their goals - and that's as true for Bell Labs as it is for Fermilab.

  10. a waste by cj51 · · Score: 1

    it is a waste of good equipment since MH370 was probably landed at Diego Garcia

  11. Oh Boo Hoo by VonSkippy · · Score: 2

    6 million to a billionaire is like me losing a $50 Toy RC Helicopter. Only I don't whine about it as much, or milk it for all the PR I can get.

    1. Re:Oh Boo Hoo by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      of course, that's only because when you do it, not even your mother cares!

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  12. confusing headline by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    I'm glad the summary defined SOI as I wasn't sure how Eric Schmidt was related to Silicon On Insulator technology other than the chips Google's servers run on employ the tech.

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    1. Re: confusing headline by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

      Fourth sentence in TFS clearly explains it. "So, it's not too surprising to see the [Google Chair Eric] Schmidt Ocean Institute (SOI) postÂ...."

    2. Re: confusing headline by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Isn't it great when you immortalize your stupidity(lack of reading comprehension) on the internet?

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  13. Unless you want to actually use one by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 2

    Sure, for developers it's fun and exciting to build a new vessel with the latest and greatest technology. For a scientist, it's great to have access to a vessel at all. Maybe it won't have stuff developed in the last 8 years or so, but even being able to up to 8km down safely and having a plethora of sensors and fishing equipment available is more than most deep see researchers will get access to in the next five years, probably more. Obsolescence? Not by far, people would be queueing up to use it for the next decade at least.

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  14. Re:Rich Republicans... by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 2

    Allow me to refer you to this infographic.

  15. Re:Rich Republicans... by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 1

    Did you just claim that "All republicans stereotype?" It should be clear that I align myself with neither party, as their views increasingly diverge from that of the average American.

  16. Re:Meanwhile... by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

    A few hours? Used to make more than minimum wage (in canada[sigh, higher than US if you're really clueless]) in 15 minutes or under over 20 years ago!

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  17. "Obsolete" != useless by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    Underwater robotics is all about advancing the state of the art.

    That may be true but the primary aim here is marine research, better robotics is a secondary consideration and besides we already know a 10 km high water column can turn a sub into a cigarette box in the blink of an eye, and it only takes a microscopic imperfection in the hull to trigger such an event.

    When we are talking about very expensive research tools "Obsolete" does not mean useless, we are talking about a sub that can (almost) reach 10km down. I can only think of two other subs that have reached that depth and resurfaced in one piece on their maiden voyage. For example, the Woods hole institute has another sub called Alvin that can reach 4.5 km and has been in use since 1965, to date it has transported over 8000 researchers into the abyss, it has told us more about "what's down there" than all the others combined. If anyone wants to know what it found and what it's like diving to that extreme depth, there's an interesting book written by Alvin's only female pilot, well worth a read. I highly recommend all slashdotter's buy a copy for their (12 and up) grand_daughter(s), daughter(s), niece(s), ect.

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  18. Gotta keep it up by Katatsumuri · · Score: 1

    Wealthy guys love extreme submarines

    ...because jets are so 20th century, no-one will take you seriously.

  19. Isn't this small change for billionaires? by fantomas · · Score: 2

    Isn't $6 million small change for Schmidt and Cameron? couldn't they just check out the loose change down the back of the armchair/ in their car's ashtray and pay for a new (and better one)? I am sure several US universities would be more than happy to have one of these folks offer to buy a new submarine for them on the agreement that said donor gets a certain amount of access to it.

    Surely this is small change for these folks (and they are canny enough to work out how to make money out of the donation, e.g. by making a film about it).

    1. Re:Isn't this small change for billionaires? by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      I think he has worked out a way to make money on it. Step one is to drum up interest by talking about the one that was lost....

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    2. Re:Isn't this small change for billionaires? by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      More importantly, they learned valuable information on what will cause a ROV to finally implode. Similar to Edison being quoted as finding out 1,000 ways not to make a lightbulb.

  20. Re:Meanwhile... by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
    No, I wasn't even very good at it.

    It's really sad that in our society a begger can make more in an hour than a trained chef serving you a $40 steak.

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  21. Raving Nutjobs by jratcliffe · · Score: 2

    Only a lunatic would risk violating the Benthic Treaty. Giving Blue Hades a casus belli would be a really, REALLY bad idea.

  22. Really? Is anyone buying this? by modi123 · · Score: 1

    Riiiiiiiiiight.. "implosion". More like someone was poking around into territories - specifically outlined as forbidden - in the 1953 Benthic Treaty of Azores with BLUE HADES and got their expensive little toy slapped.

    Try and not get us wiped out there Cameron.. thanks.