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Who Helped Kill Patent Troll Reform In the Senate

First time accepted submitter VT-802-Software (3663479) writes "A bipartisan proposal to curb patent trolls was shelved by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) Wednesday. 'Supporters of the compromise accuse trial lawyers, universities, pharmaceutical companies and biotech companies for foiling the plan at the eleventh hour. As late as Tuesday, the University of Vermont and a biotech coalition each sent letters to Leahy opposing the legislation. "We believe the measures in the legislation go far beyond what is necessary or desirable to combat abusive patent litigation, and would do serious damage to the patent system," reads one of the letters. "Many of the provisions would have the effect of treating every patent holder as a patent troll."'"

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  1. Kudos by Tailhook · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somehow, someone failed to omit the (D) that time.

    A big moment for Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Kudos by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      A big moment for Slashdot.

      Not that big. The summary puts the blame on "lobbyists" when the real blame goes to the Democratic leadership of the Senate. It isn't as if the lobbyists were holding a gun to their head and forcing them to take the contributions. The prime saboteurs were Patrick Leahy (D-Vt) and Harry Reid (D-Nv). If you live in either of those states, you should remember this when you vote.

    2. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You seem to be trying to imply that Patrick Leahy is to blame for the failure of this legislation. In fact, the article is saying that he was the champion of this effort but has been forced to shelve the bill thanks to lobbying. If anything, the D next to his name makes the Democrats look good, not the other way around.

    3. Re:Kudos by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As opposed to what? Some Scientologist teatard? No thanks.

      No. As opposed to Alex Miller, Eduardo Hamilton, or Carlo Poliak

      I must say, though, it was quite amusing that "None of these" got 10% of the vote.

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    4. Re:Kudos by mellon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's hard to understand how Leahy could have been forced into shelving the bill. He could have been arm-twisted into it, or he could have been predisposed to do it, but forced? How would that happen?

    5. Re:Kudos by pepty · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also not a big moment for Slashdot: No discussion of which aspects of the legislation the biotechs and universities objected to. Not in the summary, the original story, or the discussion here.

    6. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Usually what happens is that when the sponsor of a bill finds in the eleventh hour that they have lost enough support to pass the bill, as is the case here, they will shelve it rather than forcing a losing vote. Doing it this way means that other legislators haven't committed to a position on it, leaving the possibility open to bring it back in the future. The article gives a second reason - if the bill is brought to the floor right now it might not get support from Harry Reid, which would go a long way towards sinking it.

      If you're determined to be pedantic about the word "forced" then you're welcome to pick another. The article does not suggest in any way that Leahy wanted to bill to fail.

    7. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because if you bring a bill up for a vote when you know it will fail, then that's the end of the line. Nobody is going to change their vote later... that's flip-flopping and it makes you look bad as a politician.

      Whereas if you shelve it, you can bide your time and try to reestablish the necessary votes.

      In any event, one of the major provisions of the bill was to permit the courts to shift fees onto the plaintiff when they bring frivolous claims. This was uncommon before because Federal Circuit case law made it difficult for trial judges to decide to do this.

      However, a recent SCOTUS case overruled the Federal Circuit case law. It's now believed that more district court judges will shift fees. Because of this recent development, lots of politicians who were going to vote for the bill have probably decided that it's not worth sticking their neck out on a vote if the recent SCOTOS decision will being about much of the effect.

      So most likely the idea is to shelve the bill and wait-and-see what the effect the SCOTUS decision will have on litigation. If it doesn't curtail litigation in the next year or two, then I would expect the bill to be resurrected.

    8. Re:Kudos by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Bogus down mod... You are correct. It is not the lobbyist's fault when the politician takes the bait. However, don't single out the democrats. Their tag team partner republicans are in it over their heads also.

      It is the voters that helped kill patent 'reform' by reelecting politicians who take crooked money.

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    9. Re:Kudos by mellon · · Score: 4, Funny

      People who generalize are all idiots. And if I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times: nobody likes a person who exaggerates.

    10. Re:Kudos by mellon · · Score: 2

      I've seen no evidence to support such an accusation against Senator Leahy. Not every politician is a philanderer.

    11. Re:Kudos by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      However, don't single out the democrats. Their tag team partner republicans are in it over their heads also.

      Can you provide a citation for this? Everything I read says it was the Democratic leadership that wanted it killed, mainly because of objections from trial lawyer organizations that are big donors to the Democrats. If you know of a Republican that was involved, please name and shame.

  2. Oh noe's by future+assassin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Many of the provisions would have the effect of treating every patent holder as a patent troll."'"

    Oh but when it comes to regular citizen being treated like suspects because of a few rotten apples then thats ok but forbid this would happen to big money holders.

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    1. Re:Oh noe's by jonsmirl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would be cool if the companies suypporting this bill sent about about 20,000 demand letters to Vermont and Nevada companies and then started prosecuting on them. Should be easy since overly broad patents are a dime a dozen. Then maybe Leahy and Reid will get the message before their constituents break their doors down.

  3. Your system of government killed it by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It does not matter who stepped up to the plate this particular time.

    Your system of government is corrupt and out of control.

    Asking for names is not seeing the forest for the trees.

    1. Re: Your system of government killed it by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1) That almost certainly wont happen when you out them - certainly not over an issue like this.

      2) They will be replaced with another corrupt drone even if they are.

      Why?

      Because it is the system of government that has become corrupted. Cutting off a few branches when the tree is infected will not work.

      There is something moronic here and it is not my comment....

    2. Re: Your system of government killed it by mellon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, your comment is moronic, because it implies that the right thing to do is cut down the tree, by which I assume you mean destroy what's left of the democracy. What do you think will arise in its place? Something better? Read your fucking history. The right thing to do is take this seriously and get active. It's worked in the past, and it will work again. Burning down the house is not the right way to solve this problem.

    3. Re: Your system of government killed it by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      You're absolutely right. The only way to fix this is to nuke the problem from orbit. /AliensMovieQuote*

      * just in case some idiot from the NSA/FBI/CIA/whatever never heard of that movie, this comment is only a joke. I do not possess the ability to send anything in orbit nor do I own any nukes. The only radio-active material in a music CD titled "Radio Gaga", which turns active when inserted into a CD/DVD/BluRay player.

    4. Re: Your system of government killed it by aevan · · Score: 2

      The american system is the only true democracy then, there is no better form it could take?

    5. Re: Your system of government killed it by sg_oneill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd call American democracy a pretty good prototype of the real thing.

      But its just a prototype, and beta ended loooong ago.

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    6. Re: Your system of government killed it by Anonymice · · Score: 2

      I'd call American democracy a pretty good prototype of the real thing.

      But its just a prototype, and beta ended loooong ago.

      That America's even a democracy appears to be under debate at the moment...
      Oligarchy, not democracy: Americans have ‘near-zero’ input on policy – report

    7. Re: Your system of government killed it by RogerWilco · · Score: 2

      I think the first-part-the-pole district based system is very flawed.

      - It makes lawmakers more beholden to local constituencies that to the general good of the country.
      - It leads to a two party system.
      - It makes it really hard to create new parties to keep the system fresh and with-the-times.
      - Because everything is represented in only two parties, these parties are overly broad and tend to have a lot of infighting.
      - It makes things like gerrymandering possible.
      - It makes some votes much more valuable than others. (swing states).

      It's only advantage is that you're almost sure to always have a governing majority. Unless you split your government into multiple chambers and elections of course...

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  4. Lawyers by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as lawyers are the majority of legislators you'll never see real patent *or* torte reform. End of story.

    1. Re:Lawyers by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      As long law schools are allowed to pump out vast numbers of lawyers, this problem will continue.

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  5. As it should be by Dega704 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Many of the provisions would have the effect of treating every patent holder as a POTENTIAL patent troll." -Fixed that for you

    1. Re:As it should be by loonycyborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If they assert that even such tame legislation can harm 'legitimate' patent holder then it's an argument in favor of abolition of patent system altogether, because it's hard to find meaningful difference between 'legitimate' and 'troll' which makes the patent system itself more harmful than useful since any obviously existing abuses run unchecked. Each such successful lobbying effort supports the position of patent/copyright abolitionists like me :P

  6. Re: Mr. Lahey is a drunk bastard and always will b by JWW · · Score: 5, Informative

    Stories are circulating that Harry Reid is the one who exerted pressure on Lahey to pull the bill.

    Reid is as corrupt as they come.

    https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

  7. Supporters of the plan accuse... by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Supporters of the compromise accuse trial lawyers, universities, pharmaceutical companies and biotech companies for foiling the plan at the eleventh hour.

    Lawyers? They suck. Pharmaceutical and biotech companies? Boo! Universities? Horr- wait, what?

    If universities are opposed to the law, then that means that it probably defines "troll" as any non-practicing entity or those who make their income from licensing and litigation rather than sale of products, and therefore implicates research universities like MIT, Johns Hopkins, and Cornell. And yeah, if the law is going to force them to abandon some of their research efforts, then it's a bad law. Patent trolls are a problem, but they need a targeted solution, not one that will damage an entire R&D industry.

    For example, one of the big troll-y issues was suing tons of unrelated defendants in a single suit - like Microsoft in Seattle, and Google in Mountain View, and Apple in Cupertino, and Joe Shmoe Consumer in Florida... They had no interest in Joe, he only bought a single product that was alleged to infringe, but by including him, they could argue that Texas was halfway between everyone, so it was a good venue, rather than, say, Northern California. So, in the America Invents Act, they changed the joinder rules and said you could only include multiple defendants if they were explicitly working together to infringe, like subsidiaries or agent/principal relationships. Poof, overnight, Joe stopped getting sued. Good solution: targets the problem perfectly, doesn't harm legitimate inventors.

    1. Re:Supporters of the plan accuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Meh. Universities seem like part of the problem. They take public funds to pay for research and patent the results. If my tax dollars are paying for research, I want to share in the rewards rather than having the profits privatized to pay for some litigious university IP department.

    2. Re:Supporters of the plan accuse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Research is not the same as patents. The race to earn patents as a way of funding University research is corrupting University research by making Universities into unpaid R&D divisions for the private sector. That's a big part of the reason you don't have things like Bell Labs any more; they've been outsourced so that governments pay for a lot of the infrastructure by paying for the Unviersity.

      It's not Universities that are opposed to fixing the patent system. It's the people in Universities right now who make their money by being invested in the current corrupt patent system. Universities, as they should be, would not be serving as subsidised corporate R&D and filing patents.

    3. Re:Supporters of the plan accuse... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      Not.

      For the right price universities sometimes grant exclusive licenses.

    4. Re:Supporters of the plan accuse... by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You, sir, are a complete IDIOT!,

      The money that universities make off their patents doesn't go into the pockets of some mysterious investor but BACK INTO FUNDING THE UNIVERSITY.

      As a direct result of being able to profit from their patented research universities can afford to do more (or more expensive) research without having to dip into TAX DOLLARS to do so.

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  8. They ARE patent trolls! by dshk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Many of the provisions would have the effect of treating every patent holder as a patent troll."

    Software should not have been patented, and software patents are indeed not allowed in Europe (although they are lobbying hard to bring the broken US system into Europe).

    I am yet to see a software patent which worth the effort of reading and decoding its intentionally unclear text. In the best case they are basically direct applications of unpatentable mathematical knowledge produced by real scientists, and not the inventors mentioned in the patent.

    So yes, anybody who uses software patents for litigation or for any other purpose except defending against a troll, is indeed a patent troll.

  9. Re: Mr. Lahey is a drunk bastard and always will b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    He's referencing a crass Canadian show called Trailer Park Boys, specifically an episode called "Jim Lahey is a drunk bastard." Your post was on-topic for the story, but it was kind off-topic for who you replied to.

    Just letting you know why you're modded off-topic.

  10. What are the money and politics behind this? by Beeftopia · · Score: 2

    It started last summer, when patent trolls started messing with one of the biggest political donors of all time - the National Association of Realtors.

    If you take a look at Patrick Leahy's donors, you can see real estate is down the list.

    Summary - this issue got before Congress only when the NAR was bitten by it. I don't the issue is dead, not by a long shot. The NAR has deep connections in government and unless they somehow get the issue to go away for them personally, anti-patent troll legislation is likely to come back. Perhaps more quietly next time.

  11. Re:I love being a Dem, but... by gnupun · · Score: 2

    Sorry, this anti troll reform is beyond stupid. Does it have clear guidelines to determine which patent is trollish and which is valid? Since it does not, it immensely hurts holders of valid patents and therefore the entire patent system. Instead of punishing the patent holder, the USPTO should not issue patents that are troll-worthy.

  12. America was NOT created to be a Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Our founders VERY EXPLICITLY did NOT create a Democracy (some of the most-famous like Adams and Franklin cautioned strongly against it). They created a "Constitutional Republic" with "Democratic elections" - Which means we have democratically-elected representatives AND a constitution that protects the political minority from the acts of the political majority (something NOT done in a "Democracy") no matter how much the majority wants to do those acts and votes for them. Our founders warned against forming a Democracy, in part, because all Democracies eventually devolve into tyranny-of-the-majority, financial insolvency, and collapse.

    The bigger and more-invasive our government gets, the more it gets into every single aspect of our lives... and the more like a Democracy it becomes, the more it disregards the political minority and FORCES the will of the majority onto them - this can only end in one of two ways: [1] stepping back from this path or [2] a very bloody civil war. It's a sheer flight of fantasy to presume that a huge segment of the nation will simply abandon all its principles and beliefs and allow the majority to dominate (because unlike the first civil war which was over the singular immoral act of slavery - opposed even by half the founders, and designed by the founders to eventually dissappear, this rising national Democracy in the US eventually will force every political minority to cave to the will of the majority on all aspects of life)

    Oh, and before some idiot posts links to famous politicians on both sides of the aisle praising "democracy", be fore-warned that those of us who are educated know you are going out-of-context - It was the tradition in the West, particularly during WWII and the Cold War to refer to "representative governments where individual citizens have the right to vote and freely express their opinions" as "democracies" (in contrast to the various forms of oppressive regimes around the globe) as a form of verbal short-hand.

    1. Re:America was NOT created to be a Democracy by sg_oneill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Our founders VERY EXPLICITLY did NOT create a Democracy (some of the most-famous like Adams and Franklin cautioned strongly against it). They created a "Constitutional Republic" with "Democratic elections"

      You do realize this is a talking point created by politically illiterate republican party activists who didn't like the fact that americas political system was in the countries name.

      If you have elections, by definition, your a democracy. Thats all the word means.

      If you dont have a monarch you are a republic.

      Examples of Republics: United States , North Korea.
      Not Republics: Australia, Saudia Arabi.

      Examples of Democracys: United States, Australia.
      Not Democracies: North Korea, Saudi Arabia.

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  13. Re:True patent reform cannot happen under Democrat by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Informative

    > because one of their biggest financial pillars is the trial lawyers

    Only a small minority of lawyers are even allowed to handle these cases.

    So using lawyers in general as some kind of bogeyman here shows an extreme level of ignorance and/or an extreme level of contempt for the electorate.

    Only the "nerd" contingent of the bar is even allowed to apply for the kind of credential that allows one to practice in this area.

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