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Report: Apple To Unveil "Smart Home" System

An anonymous reader writes "According to a report Apple will be unveiling a new smart home system at the upcoming Worldwide Developers Conference. The system will allow users to control security systems, appliances and lighting with their iPhones. A "select number" of device makers will be certified to offer products that work with Apple's upcoming system, according to the report, which didn't name any of the manufacturers."

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  1. no thank you apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    and no thank you google

    plenty of options exist that are already very mature products no need for a vendor lock in with constantly changing terms. open solutions exist many commercially available and or inter-operable with commercially available stuff

    1. Re:no thank you apple by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who says this wont be built on an open standard?

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    2. Re:no thank you apple by melchoir55 · · Score: 5, Informative

      www.openremote.com

    3. Re:no thank you apple by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apple's track record? Apple is actually pretty agnostic about open standards, they don't seem to have a pathological case of NIH syndrome or anything; but with two important caveats:

      1. If the existing standard doesn't suit them for whatever reason, their implementation will be a variant of that standard and their only concern will be interoperability will first party and (to a slightly lesser extent) officially-blessed third party stuff. They won't reinvent the wheel just for kicks; but if they decide that their needs are somewhat different, their implementation will be as well, and it's just too bad if that's an issue. (It's not unlike the degree to which Microsoft 'based' Active Directory and Domains on, LDAP and Kerberos.)

      2. Crypto: Unlike the old days, when you could only be proprietary by keeping your obfuscated binary protocol or your weirdo connector one step ahead of the reverse engineers, now you can have it all in the open and still nearly useless unless it's signed and blessed. Apple's "Facetime", for instance, is based on a lovely, standards-tastic, collection of standards; but important parts of setting up a connection involve mutual certificate verification between an Apple server and an Apple device, so that's effectively irrelevant to 3rd parties.

    4. Re:no thank you apple by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      It's intriguing, I'll admit.

      Apple used to actually be okay with open standards. In the last several years, they've sort-of given up or at least only paid lip service. Remember how Apple was going to open up FaceTime? Lots of people are still waiting for that one.

      On the other hand, Apple loves open standards when they're behind. In this case, they're arguably behind, so I could see them adopting an open standard.

      Personally, I think the whole report is rubbish.

    5. Re:no thank you apple by thechink · · Score: 5, Informative

      Remember how Apple was going to open up FaceTime? Lots of people are still waiting for that one.

      Opening FaceTime didn't happened because if a lawsuit. They were sued by VirnetX and Apple lost.

      http://www.imore.com/ask-imore-wheres-facetime-android

    6. Re:no thank you apple by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

      um what open solutions?

      I've just plonked down the cash for a Ninja Blocks kit. http://ninjablocks.com/collect...

      It's very simple to use, based around the open Beaglebone SBC and has both free apps and open source development tools.

      I'll probably upgrade to the Sphere when it's available too. https://www.kickstarter.com/pr...

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  2. Re:Apple to unveil "Smart Home" system by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

    did you know that you can overclock the x10 devices and run a windowing system on them. or, so I'm told..

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  3. I will NEVER understand the appeal of this system. by Noishkel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Honestly I just do NOT see why anyone would ever want to have their own so crazily wired into the internet. What could you possibly ever use it for? I LOVE technology but I can't for the LIFE of me see why this is even remotely appeasing. Yeah, sure there are security applications. But you'll still probably be buying some expensive service to run it. Why in the HELL would you even WANT to wire up your blinder, oven, or washing machine into the friggin' internet? Given the general price tag attached to Apple gear you'll be having to pay a third again higher price for these features.

    And hey... how about we talk about SECURITY? We've recent had an example of a hacker getting into a homes network. Using a baby monitor linked to the net to SCREAM at a sleeping baby. The more ways you connect your home to the internet the more likely you're going to leave yourself REALLY exploded to malicious actions.

  4. Re:I will NEVER understand the appeal of this syst by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

    one appeal is that it makes money for ipv6 vendors.

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  5. Re:I will NEVER understand the appeal of this syst by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have been making a shitload of money doing it for a decade... except I use the real stuff from Crestron and AMX. Real lighting control, real automation.. To the tun of $20,000- $80,000 per home for the real stuff that does not break or fail all the time.

    Home automation has been a reality for a very long time, you just had to spend money on it. And yes my clients have been able to control it all from the internet for 10+ years It's not hard at all to make a secure encrypted tunnel from their phone to the house. So they can look at cameras, control lights, see who is home ,lock or unlock doors, see door status, open or close the garage doors, even control the AV system from a distance (that was one of the more wierd requests from a customer)

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  6. Miniature ICS on the Internet by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    What could possibly go wrong. Like there are no issues whatsoever with the large scale systems.

  7. Re:I will NEVER understand the appeal of this syst by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2

    Living with a connected home for over a decade now. Lights are nice, just starting on color as well as brightness. Security systems well think that is a major feature. Security camera's, arming and disarming via cell phone proximity, and giving status via the phones tablets, tv's and PC's are all killer features for me. Looking at HVAC controls, and really need something more tied in that just the thermostats as it needs to set boiler set-points at least and preferably control multiple systems. Ceiling fans are very nice, automated curtains actually have a noticeable change in heating/cooling bills. Appliances could be nice but need a lot more sensors, dishwashers need some method of knowing if they have a decent amount of dishes in them for example before it's really useful. I don't live in a place where power pricing is particularly fluid so having appliances shift there consumption is not useful to me.

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  8. Can't wait... by mars-nl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... to buy a light bulb, come home and read the small text on the box that says: "works with Apple devices only".

    We *must* use open standards here and not let Google, Apple or whoever infiltrate our houses any further. But looking at how easily folks sell their soul to Apple or Google (Android), I'm not holding my breath. Next time you buy a house, you'll have to decide Apple, Google or Microsoft...

  9. If iPods/iPhones Have Taught Me Anything... by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So I'll have to rewire my house every couple of years when they change from one proprietary cable standard to another?

    iPod: Firewire. Buy lots of firewire connectors.
    Newer iPod/iPhone: Dock connector. Toss all of your firewire accessories and move to dock connectors.
    Newer iPhones: Lightning connector. Toss all of your dock connector accessories, move to lightning.

    Everyone else gets to stick with USB that doesn't carry a $10 premium per cable/device because Apple just invented another proprietary standard.

    1. Re:If iPods/iPhones Have Taught Me Anything... by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Informative

      So I'll have to rewire my house every couple of years when they change from one proprietary cable standard to another?

      iPod: Firewire. Buy lots of firewire connectors.
      Newer iPod/iPhone: Dock connector. Toss all of your firewire accessories and move to dock connectors.
      Newer iPhones: Lightning connector. Toss all of your dock connector accessories, move to lightning.

      Everyone else gets to stick with USB that doesn't carry a $10 premium per cable/device because Apple just invented another proprietary standard.

      And USB has changed standards 3 times since then as well.

      Firewire - well, we had USB 1.1 and the gigantic USB B connector. (2001)

      Dock connector - we still have gigantic USB B connector. Dock connector adds USB support as well. (2003).

      Meanwhile, USB introduces USB mini-B connector. Sees Firewire, goes beserk and introduces USB OTG and USB mini-A and mini-AB connectors.

      Somewhere along here, Apple deprecates Firewire as a data interface, but keeps it as a charging interface.

      USB sees people using mini-A and mini-AB connectors without implementing full USB OTG spec and deprecates connectors. At same time, USB introduces USB micro A, AB and B connectors.

      Apple deprecates Firewire charging now.

      Apple decides Dock connector is too full of legacy for its needs, introduces new lightning connector and adapters, 2012.

      USB sees Lightning has many advantages of Micro B, introduces USB 3.1 universal connector.

      So the dock connector had a good run - it's over 10 years old, doesn't support what people want these days (no HDMI, for example) and been stable. In the meantime, USB decides to change the cables it uses several times over.

      I still have piles of USB A-B, USB A-mini-B and am slowly building up a collection of SB A-micro-B cables. But USB 3.1 will introduce a new incompatible set of cables, requiring more adapters. Sorta like how Apple has lightning to dock adapters (which if you only need USB, are stupidly cheap at like $3-4).

      I even ignore USB 3.0's expanded and incompatible cables - you can't plug a USB 3.0 cable into anything that doesn't support USB 3.0. You can plug USB pre-3.0 cables into USB 3.0 devices though. The saving grace is that USB 3.0 cables are rarer so you're far more likely to pull a USB 2.0 cable than a USB 3.0 one.

      USB has gone through more changes in its plugs than Apple in the same period. And it's a standard.

  10. Re:Prior Art Exists. by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    Only by adding one of the following phrases:

    "on the internet"
    "on a mobile device"
    "in the cloud"
    "with rounded corners"

    Well, that last one is an Apple exclusive, but you get the idea.

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