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Millions of Smart TVs Vulnerable To 'Red Button' Attack

An anonymous reader writes "Researchers from Columbia University's Network Security Lab discovered a flaw affecting millions of Smart TVs supporting the HbbTV standard. The flaw allows a radio-frequency attacker with a low budget to take control over tens of thousands of TVs in a single attack, forcing the TVs to interact with any website on their behalf — Academic paper available online."

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  1. It doesn't take a genius to come up with an attack by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, I RTFA. And the responsible consortium knows about the bug and doesn't consider it "important" enough to warrant a change because it's "not cost efficient" to execute an attack.

    It is.

    If all it takes is to weave a signal into the program, there are SO many places where this can take place that it's literally trivial to execute. Aside of the idea they present themselves, i.e. a 1MW transmitter used to infect a rather small area, how about using the broadcast itself? Yes, that means that you have to gain access to the show when or before it is aired, but considering just how many people are concerned with the creation of TV programming, having an "inside man" is fairly trivial. From production to cutting to storage to preparation to the actual broadcast, a show goes through many, many hands, every single thereof having the chance to inject the signal without anyone noticing before it's too late.

    Now add that the more recent history taught us that governments are certainly not above abusing such a flaw and tell me again that there is "no need for concern".

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  2. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I disagree. That's like claiming you can hack someone's ethernet switch by writing a special html page because the traffic will simply pass through. This red button attack works differently. If I understand correctly the interactive stuff (tv guide, pause, record) is provided by the cable company. They may use an underlying feed from the broadcaster but that's it.

  3. So: where is the liability ? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    Joe Sixpack suffers a loss as a result of such an attack, who compensates him ? He has never heard of the possibility, but ignorance cannot be claimed by neither the smart TV manufacturers nor the TV broadcaster nor the local standards regulator. All of the latter will claim that it was some 'malicious 3rd party', but they knew about it and took no action to mitigate the threat. It is no longer an excuse to complain that ''it is software and very complicated''.

    Who will compensate Joe Sixpack ?

    1. Re:So: where is the liability ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Probably no one. Most likely the Smart TV software is provided with a typical "as-is, with no guarantees" policy.

    2. Re:So: where is the liability ? by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In this case, it's more like "Oh no, I've been inconvenienced as a direct result of someone else's negligent actions."

      If the end result of TV manufacturers not releasing a more secure firmware for the affected models is your TV running malicious code that, say, simply bricks your TV, they should be liable for repair or replacement costs. If the result is that your TV ends up running code that hacks into your computer and steals your financial and personal details, they should likewise be liable for any resulting fraud and the cost of cleaning up that mess. In both cases, maybe a little something for the trouble, as well; it's best for society that we discourage purposeful negligence like this.

      We're not talking about simply missing a TV show here; there are real and potentially damaging implications here.

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  4. Millions of conventional TVs vulnerable too by sosume · · Score: 1

    "Researchers from Dickweed University's Network Security Lab discovered a flaw affecting nearly every TV on the planet. The flaw allows a radio-frequency attacker with a low budget to take control over tens of thousands of TVs in a single attack, forcing the TVs to turn on or off, or switch channels. The attack works by equipping a drone with a powerful universal remote, sending commands to all TVs in a broad range." It's even scarier like this!

    1. Re:Millions of conventional TVs vulnerable too by yacc143 · · Score: 2

      Well, one important detail. Exactly the neighborhoods that have a high level of SmartTVs, will also be receiving their programming via cable or sat, so your RF highjacking is received by only tiny subset.

    2. Re:Millions of conventional TVs vulnerable too by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Good point. How many people are watching terrestrial broadcasts, a particular station, with one of the vulnerable Smart TVs in a given area at any particular time? My guess is its probably very few.

    3. Re:Millions of conventional TVs vulnerable too by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Timing would make it easier to get larger numbers of televisions. Certain TV shows are more popular. The state of the union address, for example, would be watched by many of those in the more affluent neighborhoods.

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    4. Re:Millions of conventional TVs vulnerable too by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Of course, most of those affluent folks will be watching cable or satellite, not broadcast.

    5. Re:Millions of conventional TVs vulnerable too by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      The State of the Union address is normally in English on the four "broadcast*" networks, plus the three cable news channels. I haven't checked, but I bet there's at least one channel in my cable package simulcasting it in Spanish as well.

      *In an affluent neighborhood, the broadcast networks will probably be coming in by cable or satellite too. If I understand correctly that makes them immune from this attack.

    6. Re:Millions of conventional TVs vulnerable too by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      "Researchers from Dickweed University's Network Security Lab discovered a flaw affecting nearly every TV on the planet. The flaw allows a radio-frequency attacker with a low budget to take control over tens of thousands of TVs in a single attack, forcing the TVs to turn on or off, or switch channels. The attack works by equipping a drone with a powerful universal remote, sending commands to all TVs in a broad range." It's even scarier like this!

      That is not how this attack actually works. The attack has nothing to do with the remote and references to it and the "red button" have derailed things. This is an attack on the broadcast television signal. As you recall, broadcast TV was switched from an analog signal to digital. In Europe the protocol for this signal is DVB and in the US it is ATSC. Within these digital broadcasts is a protocol called the HbbTV standard which allows additional interactive data, features, etc. to be embedded to provide a hybrid viewing experience. For example during a baseball game they might embed an HTML page with the stats for the current batter. The exploit is that this embedded data is not protected in any way so anyone can inject a malicious payload into the signal. This could allow such attacks as session hijacking, etc. In the demonstration the researchers are attacking smartTVs in the neighborhood by rebroadcasting a local channel with the extra packets added to the stream. That approach is limited of course to the extend to which you can override the regular broadcast signal. A much broader impact would be if you could inject the packets at the broadcast source, for example on the network between the broadcast station and the actual transmitter station. In that case your attack would reach entire greater metropolitan areas.

      What I am interested in is how much, if any, of this HbbTV information gets through when local channels are carried on other transmission media such as satellite or cable.

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  5. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So the idea is that the attacker overrides the RF signal with his own one, which contains the malicious data. The client TV then automatically interprets the HTML from the transport stream metadata. Provided that the attack was successful, a bunch of TVs can for example be controlled to access a certain website through HTTP requests, causing a denial of service attack for that website.

  6. Good luck with that by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    It requires a fair amount of RF and broadcast equipment know-how to set up your own mini TV station with a DVB stream with HTML properly injected in the TS metadata. And then you have to make sure that the receivers actually pick up your channel. Possible, but far from trivial. I suspect no one bothers exploiting this one.

    1. Re:Good luck with that by drolli · · Score: 1

      Slashdot comments dominated by software guys. I can tell you, with the *right* (semi-expensive ~ 10k) equipment, the hardware part of this is fairly trivial. (lets say 1h)

      Police and secret services use IMSI catchers and trojan-based attacks on a large scale, so why should they not set up a DVB base station for an attack on a specific target (nevertheless infecting 1 Mio of devices in the target area).

      Large-scale phishing attacks could get *much* easier. Imagine a News channel which broadcasts a warning about credit card fraud with a contact number to call.

      Imagine a finance stock market TV which broadcasts a sudden warning about a stock on which you placed your bets before.

      Criminal easily spend 10000s of $ for bullet-proof hosting, so buying DVB Test devices and applications from Agilent could even reduce their costs. If you earn enoung money with it, it pays off.

      Everything which worked via spam now can be done without any chance of blocking it. I am fascinated by the idea that a semi-modern device would accept anything withou authentication. (oh, i forgot, typing in a verification number would be *so inconvenient*, so it would hinder shoveling advertisements up into everybody's ass).

    2. Re:Good luck with that by citizenr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually it requires about $200 and nothing more.

      http://www.hides.com.tw/produc...

      Bundled Opencaster offers point and click HbbTV support.

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    3. Re:Good luck with that by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Okay, so far so good, but how about the signal amplifying and transmitting part?

    4. Re:Good luck with that by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Okay, so far so good, but how about the signal amplifying and transmitting part?

      TFA discusses that:

      a $250 1-watt amplifier could cover a 1.4 square kilometer area. [...] By positioning the retransmission gear at a decent height within line of sight of a tower (on a drone, say, or on the roof of a tall building), a hacker in Flushing, Queens could deliver malicious payloads via the Home Shopping Network to a potential audience of 70,000 people per square kilometer. Or he could also hijack 10 different stations including CBS , NBC and Fox from a single antenna in the Inwood neighborhood of upper Manhattan that reaches 50,000 people per square kilometer. With a more powerful 25-watt amp (about $1,500) the hacker can cover more like 35 square kilometers, taking the reach of the attack into the hundreds of thousands of people.

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    5. Re:Good luck with that by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Ya think?! My point was that GP's $200 OpenCaster budget does not include the transmitter.

  7. Huh? by frnic · · Score: 1

    Since this is SLashdot, I didn't bother reading the article - so, I am sure there is an obvious answer.

    How does someone with a LOW BUDGET even have 10's of thousands of smart tv's in range of an RF signal?

    1. Re:Huh? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      How does someone with a LOW BUDGET even have 10's of thousands of smart tv's in range of an RF signal?

      Rooftop, a tall tree, a drone and so on -- you just need a transmitter and a high place to go with it.

    2. Re:Huh? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      $250 for an 'amplifier' that reaches tens of thousands of people according to the article and paper.

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    3. Re:Huh? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      NYC and find a tall building.

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  8. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    I've been in the cable head-end for a city (a few hundred thousand nodes). All it'd take to do this is walk into the room and swap a commercial with one with the attack embedded. Thousands of people probably could get in there. At the right time, you could dress up as an electrician, and walk in.

    And if you are an inside man, how would they catch you? Take a commercial, embed the attack. Then claim it must have been the editors for the commercial, who embedded it before it got to you. How would they prove anything? Would anyone smart enough to figure anything out even be looking at the case?

  9. Re: It doesn't take a genius to come up with an at by extra88 · · Score: 1

    The people involved with the production of a tv show wouldn't have access to the data being exploited, the attack would have to be closer to the OTA broadcast or cable operator. Changing the files containing the code would be fairly obvious so you'd still need to use some hardware for a MITM attack inside the broadcast or cable facility.

  10. Okay I'll be the one to say it by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

    TVs have no business being on the internet, much less downloading stuff from Facebook. A TV is for watching television. How did we do it up to now, without the internet? Gee...

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    1. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      A TV is for watching television.

      I think it's for connecting game consoles, media players, and whatnot. But indeed, it has no business being "smart".

    2. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right. There is little need for TVs that tune or are smart anymore. Just need a monitor. Let separate upgradeable or replaceable devices handle video sources. Today's Smart TVs are like yesterday's TVs with the built in DVD player.

    3. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      If space is a premium like it is in New York or other urban areas, a smart tv isn't bad value. Plus it frees up an HDMI socket. maybe Facebook integration is overboard but hulu and Netflix aren't going away for awhile. Neither is Plex or DLNA or Spotify or...

      As an aside, what I really want from a smart tv is much smarter UI. I don't think I've seen a smart tv with a decent UI. Something that makes it easy to switch the inputs, change settings, etc. also implements CEC so I can turn on my consoles or whatever and have it control a receiver with one remote.

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    4. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      ^Sure, as long as you are OK with the inability to upgrade the "smart" part with better hardware, or new functionality. But as for space, their are many very small products that can mount out of sight directly on the back of the TV. I do use Netflix on my Sony TV, which is not very old, but its smart functionality is already "outdated" by newer hardware with much better performance, like the Roku3.

    5. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by alen · · Score: 1

      if your TV plays Netflix and Vudu, what is the point of upgrading?

    6. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      If you think "space is at a premium" even in a 250 sq foot apartment, that a Smart TV is a good idea, then you are nuts.

      You have a buttload of space on the back of that TV to put a Roku Box, and a Apple TV, and a XBMC box, and your Cable TV box Plus a HDMI switcher if you bought low end with less than 4 HDMI inputs. And if that space is really at a premium, then you also bought a universal remote and a IR extender so all the devices can be on the back of that TV out of the way and you have only one remote to really simplify operation of the whole setup.

      There is NEVER a reason to buy a smart TV other than being talked into it by the sales guy at Best Buy.

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    7. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by tepples · · Score: 1

      So what device would tune OTA television broadcasts? I haven't seen a lot of OTA tuners since the end of the coupon program, and even those were required to be standard definition. And no, Netflix doesn't have sports, and online sports services black out anything shown OTA.

    8. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      DD/DTS audio for one reason. Profile compatibility for another..... and whatever future changes occur.

    9. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      RE OTA Tuners.... I can still see keeping tuner functionality even though an ever shrinking percentage of folks actually use the tuners. There are plenty of tuner options out there, including HDHomerun's latest network tuners with DLNA support, tuner STBs, etc.

      The issue regarding netflix and sports is a separate topic, IMO, that is a fact regardless of having smart TV built in or separate.

    10. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      In a 250 sq foot apartment, you don't even need the IR extenders. The IR will bounce off the walls easily enough.

    11. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by Arker · · Score: 1

      "If space is a premium like it is in New York or other urban areas, a smart tv isn't bad value."

      If this article is to be believed it's a horrible value. The only way I would take one is if you were paying me to dispose of it.

      The article focuses on the idea of some random low-budget cracker using this, but that's  missing the point entirely. It's *designed* to give the TV stations/Advertisers/Broadcasting and Marketing complex pwnership of your system from the start. Anything they send, your "smart" tv will run blindly. The side affect of some third party being able to hijack it is a minor point next to the *planned* and *intentional* compromise this was DESIGNED to allow!

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    12. Re:Okay I'll be the one to say it by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      If the hardware can do on chip decoding of content at the same resolution as the native resolution of the panel, and most other changes are software, then why would I need to upgrade the hardware?

      Having it feel snappy and nice to use is a software problem

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  11. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to... The Outer Limits.

  12. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

    The Forbes article mentions a 1W and a 25W amplifier. Quick check confirms the paper also says this (not 1MW !).

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  13. Whew! by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Looks like I just escaped disaster by not owning a TV at all. Torrents, baby, torrents and streaming.

    I honestly don't understand why people would buy a "smart" TV instead of a monitor, surround sound speakers, and plug it in to a laptop or computer. How many people really use OTA broadcasts nowadays?

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    1. Re:Whew! by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      Looks like I just escaped disaster by not owning a TV at all.

      Aren't you so special and clever.

      Torrents, baby, torrents and streaming.

      And proud to be a thief. How many legitimate sources of video are offered as torrents? I'd be interested in trying them myself.

      I honestly don't understand why people would buy a "smart" TV instead of a monitor, surround sound speakers, and plug it in to a laptop or computer.

      Then you're an idiot. Not everyone wants 3 or 4 different devices to do one simple thing. Not everyone wants to dick around keeping a computer working properly all the time.

      How many people really use OTA broadcasts nowadays?

      About 8% at last check, use OTA exclusively. Significantly more use a mix of OTA and other sources. So a significant number of people.

      Of course if you weren't so busy trying to show us how brilliant you were, you'd have taken the 3 seconds required to Google it.

      So awesome, you've used your leet skills to run someone else's software, someone else's OS and done a custom setup so you could steal most of your content and contribute nothing at all useful to society other than your arrogance.

      We're so glad you have more time than brains so you can set around and do, for more money, what the rest of us do for less without offering in significant advantage.

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    2. Re:Whew! by dingen · · Score: 2

      I honestly don't understand why people would buy a "smart" TV instead of a monitor, surround sound speakers, and plug it in to a laptop or computer. How many people really use OTA broadcasts nowadays?

      Yeah, because computers aren't susceptible to attacks at all. Everyone knows there's nothing more secure than keeping an internet-connected computer running 24/7 in your house.

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    3. Re:Whew! by tepples · · Score: 1

      Television was invented after 1900. For which substantial use of torrents as a substitute for subscription or free-to-air television are "the legal qualifying uses [...] met"?

  14. Re: It doesn't take a genius to come up with an at by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    At that point, you could probably perform various other attacks too. You are given access to important equipment and the company trusts you not to pull any funny shit. After that it all boils down whether you simply want to work ethically and do your job properly.

  15. Can't just turn it off by Monoman · · Score: 2

    I prefer my Roku 2/3 to the smart features on my TVs but it is difficult to buy a nicer TV these days without the "Smart" features included. It would be nice is if you could disable the "Smart" part of these TVs. I don't think I have seen that as an option but I guess you could just disable the networking.

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    1. Re:Can't just turn it off by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I don't think I have seen that as an option but I guess you could just disable the networking.

      By which you mean don't plug it in, and don't give it your wifi password? It's not like these devices get to speak on your network without you taking action.

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    2. Re:Can't just turn it off by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      What if a weird suitcase man comes into my living room, calmly chucks the ethernet cable to the TV, gives me an angry stare, and disappears behind the corner?

    3. Re:Can't just turn it off by dingen · · Score: 1

      I can turn off HbbTV support on my Smart TV, no problem. In fact I had disabled it even before I realized it could be a security hazard, as it also slows down booting and channel switching, while providing no benefit to me whatsoever.

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    4. Re:Can't just turn it off by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      You sit there and cry because we all know that ethernet cables are impossible to unplug once they are plugged in. DAMN THEM for making them a single use permanent item!

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    5. Re:Can't just turn it off by Monoman · · Score: 1

      Correct in my case and probably for most /. readers.

      We all know that no manufacturer in their right minds would turn WiFi on by default and auto join any network possible. No consumer would ever have a WLAN configured to be wide open without a password. Nah, never happen. ;-)

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    6. Re:Can't just turn it off by jebblue · · Score: 1

      We cut the cable cord over a year ago, we use OTA for all the major networks - free HD; Roku for Netflix, Twitch, AolOn (we like Newsy), YouTube, Smithsonian channels and 3 games we bought. The OTA antenna was about $45 bucks. The Roku $99. One time costs, we now save well over $100 per month we were paying to cable and get better content in many cases and the same in others. I miss the History channel, too bad they are greedy and don't have a Roku channel with all unlocked content paid for by advertising.

    7. Re:Can't just turn it off by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Hey, I've met a few RJ45s that thought they were permanent. You know the ones, thick snag guard and clip side positioned where you need a lock pick set just to release it.

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  16. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by msauve · · Score: 1

    If a 1W transmitter could cover a neighborhood, a megawatt transmitter could cover a city.

    Of course, the OP probably screwed up doubly, and meant mW. Getting and using a megawatt transmitter is hardly "trivial."

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  17. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been doing audits for a rather long while now. Few companies have sensors on their inside.

    In other words, it will be easy to find out THAT something went on after the incident. Who did it, otoh, is an entirely different matter. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get into a lot of companies and move about unhindered with the right uniform and the "I belong here" attitude.

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  18. Budweiser Ad Hijacked, Viewers Directed to Miller by retroworks · · Score: 1

    News at 11. Or is it...? (organ music) Dunnn Dunnn DUNNNNNN!!!

    The article winds up with "Another fix would be to prompt users to press a button confirming their okay before an app launches on their TV, as well as regular reminders that apps are loading or running whenever they switch channels." Well, I don't look forward to having to click my remote to approve apps from my couch, but it's not exactly an emergency. Seems appropriate to wait for Miller Beer or Dr. Evil to actually execute the attempt first, before worrying much about the potential for television broadcast content impurities.

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  19. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    "All it'd take to do this is walk into the room and swap a commercial with one with the attack embedded."

    I managed the Cable TV systems for commercial insertion for 10 years, so tell me again how easy it is to swap a TV commercial? Because all the AD insertion servers are password protected and also in locked racks that you have to get through first. Are you an uber haxor? where hacking a server is a 30 second trivial thing and then you know the Ad insertion software suite (Seachange By the way for all you Uber Hax0rs) so well that you carry the client insertion apps with you on your laptop? Oh and what file format did you encode that TV commercial? Because you need the right format for the system setup, no it's not the same nation wide.

    In fact it's easier for you to pick a far less protected network location, Like a sales office, Get hired on the cleaning crew and attack the network from there to try and gain access to the encode and upload station at the main ad insertion office. If you are lucky, that one was set up by IT retards and is on both the corporate network and the ad insertion network (ad insertion network is a protected and isolated network)

    A far more plausable route is social engineering while wearing a suit and having a lot of money. Contact a sales person for AD insertion, buy Air time and supply them with a Pre Encoded TV commercial that is already set up for their systems file and encoding settings. A file that hopefully they will just drop in the system and not run through any video re-encoding software that will destroy or strip your evil info. faking urgency and throwing a lot of cash at the sales person increases the chances of just a straight file copy, but that is against SOP and has a high possibility of failing. But then Places like Comcast pay nearly minimum wage for the poor guys that do video conversion and upload, so if done late in the day the chance that they will just copy and call it done is high.

    Just swap a TV commercial..... That's Hilarious, this is not 1993 when you had racks full of video tapes for the TV commercials.

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  20. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    The fact that you will only affect the 6 houses that is connected to that pole. the COAX is only from that Optical termination to the houses, and you can not magically make the equipment at the headend change it's programming from transmit video only to receive the data return and then resend it out the video transmit.

    And even if it was old COAX only, you cant magically make RF amplifiers rebroadcast backwards.

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  21. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Dont even need the right uniform. I do this all the time in just street clothes. Hell even past security checkpoints it's easy "I left my badge in the car" works great.

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  22. Gee, who woulda thunk... by FuzzNugget · · Score: 5, Funny

    When you make cheap, shitty, under-engineered, non-compatible systems that can't be commodotized because everyone is banking on their propriety system taking off and cornering the market... that you'll end up with a cheap, shitty, under-engineered system with major security flaws?

    Yet another reason why Smart TVs are worse than useless.

  23. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by quetwo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The TS most likely re-written on final broadcast. If it is going out OTA, then the transmitter will repack the data as ATSC, regroom the MPEG2 content, and rewrite the PAT at the tower (usually with a custom PID for each video stream, a PID for DATA, etc, to make it consistent at the viewer's side). So changes are low there.

    Since most CATV providers require a STB, very few TVs are using the ClearQAM streams directly (usually encrypted streams that require an handshaked box). Those very few that are using a CableCARD or equivalent are probably in such a minority you might not even want to bother. Oh, and the streams are re-packed when they are encrypted so garbage data is probably removed at that point.

    Oh, and good luck "just walking into a CATV headend and replacing commercials." Every CATV headend that I've seen (including the one I run), don't store the commercials there, let alone have any way to change them. Those are usually controlled up-stream in some no-name office remotely then muxed or pulled in by the groomers or stat-muxers (depending on how they are setup).

  24. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heh. Well, I'm kinda proud of our security staff, they even sent a board member back (despite said board member ranting and raving about how he'll ensure the security person be fired) because he forgot his access card.

    And yes, the board member actually demanded him to be fired. When I asked him if he really wants me to fire one of our guards on grounds of him doing his job and following the security protocol unlike a certain board member who expected and ordered the guard to break security protocol, suddenly he had to leave in a hurry... dunno why...

    I LOVE working in a company where security trumps productivity.

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  25. Here is the hardware to do the attack: by citizenr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://www.hides.com.tw/produc...

    This is an USB dongle, you push TS stream into it. Bundled Opencaster software will build TS stream for you. Basically its a small Digital TV station capable of transmitting one mux.

    * DVB-T version, will not work with ATSC TVs in US. Btw LOL US and your ATSC A/53 mpeg2 "hd"tv.

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  26. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by anegg · · Score: 2

    Executable content from an uncontrolled source. Sheesh! Why do the folks who design/build entertainment electronics have such a limited understanding of the digital world? Going back to the invention of the Compact Disc as a music medium, the industry consistently demonstrates an inability to think broadly about the opportunities and consequences of the digital world.

    People with home networks (i.e., lots of folks) and a TV that permits executable content that was received from an uncontrolled RF source to run on a CPU that has access to the TV's in-home Local Area Network connection will be so screwed it isn't funny.

    If all TV's end up with this capability, we'll have to firewall off our TVs from the rest of our home networks. The last thing I need when I get home from work worrying about the unholy intersection of jackass hackers and jackass software vendors is my TV going rogue and hacking into the rest of my carefully secured digital castle through the television.

    Is the US government asleep at the switch? Here is the opportunity to nip in the bud a huge threat to national security (ever see how many TVs there are all over all federal buildings these days?). If they can't understand basic Information Systems security enough to understand that executable content MUST be either be from a controlled/trusted source OR MUST be securely isolated from trusted network connections, then we need a new set of policy folks.

    One way to stop this idiocy would be to convince the masses that this threat is too great to ignore. If no one buys the TV sets (which are essentially Trojan Horse wormholes), the manufacturers will certainly take notice. If we get the entertainment electronics journalists on board ringing the danger bell, that might put enough of a dent in sales to get their attention.

  27. Hi, I co-authored the paper :-) by YossiOren · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thanks for the comments. I hope I can clarify some of the things people said here.

    Re popularity of OTA vs. cable: Cable is more popular in the US, but that's just the US. Digital Terrestrial is much more common in other places - for example it's the most popular delivery method in Europe by far (page 39) . In the US immigrants use it a lot more than US-born.

    To whomever suggested attacks via the remote control's IR port: that sounds a lot of fun to try, but the IR receiver's much less sensitive than the RF jack, it has a much lower data rate, and it needs line of sight.

    About the power calculations: 1 Watt (0 dBm) can cover an area of 1.4 square Kilometers, under reasonable assumptions. The math is in the paper.

    One last thing: A big shout-out to Martin Herfurt, whose work on HbbTV security was our starting point.

    1. Re:Hi, I co-authored the paper :-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      About the power calculations: 1 Watt (0 dBm) can cover an area of 1.4 square Kilometers, under reasonable assumptions. The math is in the paper.

      I hope the math in the paper is right, then, because 1 watt would be 30 dBm. A value of 0 dBm is 1 milliwatt.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBm

    2. Re:Hi, I co-authored the paper :-) by YossiOren · · Score: 2

      Yep sorry. Mod parent tired.

  28. How many people really use OTA broadcasts nowadays by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    I'd say everyone who is like me and refuses to "pay for TV". Really, have you ever actually watched what they pay for? Commercials with commercials embedded in them, that is what people who think you "pay for TV" pay for.

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  29. flamers by ultranerdz · · Score: 1

    for the flamers that say you need expensive equipment, there are always the heroes that can make it happen with low budget

    http://bellard.org/dvbt/

    so now we just need a power amplifier, and its not a 1MW PA. A 100W will do

  30. What moron designed this spec .. by lippydude · · Score: 1

    "When an HbbTV application is downloaded from the Internet via URL, the origin of the web content is clearly defined by the URL, appropriately isolating HbbTV applications to their own domain and preventing them from interfering with Internet at large. However, when the content is embedded in the broadcast data stream it is not linked to any web server and, as such, has no implicitly defined origin.

    The HbbTV specification suggests that in this case the broadcast stream should explicitly define its own web origin by setting the simple_application_boundary_descriptor property in the AIT to any desired domain name. The security implications of this design decision are staggering. Allowing the broadcast provider control over the purported origin of the embedded web content effectively lets a malicious broadcaster inject any script of his choice into any website of his choice
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  31. DRM treadmill and wireless security by tepples · · Score: 2

    if your TV plays Netflix and Vudu, what is the point of upgrading?

    For one thing, Netflix may choose to end compatibility with older devices that don't support the new digital restrictions management capabilities on which its licensors insist. For another, a TV that supports only WEP won't work anymore if you upgrade your house's wireless network to better WPA family protocols.

  32. Because of convenience by tepples · · Score: 1

    I honestly don't understand why people would buy a "smart" TV instead of a monitor, surround sound speakers, and plug it in to a laptop or computer.

    Because not having a huge noisy tower next to the TV is more spouse-acceptable than having one. Because people don't have to keep it updated with Windows updates and antivirus updates. Because a computer's out-of-the-box interface is designed to be navigated from a desk with a mouse and keyboard rather than from a recliner with a traditional TV remote control. Because people have trouble plugging in a cable box and a BD player, let alone a computer. Because some people have tried to build a home theater PC and had a poor experience. And finally, because of tradition. Other people have weighed in on this.

  33. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    One MEGAwatt? A transmitter like that will trample on *everything* nearby. I hope you meant one mW, or milliwatt...

    AC

  34. Staples Easy Button? by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    I knew the Easy Button could do a lot of things but this is just incredible

  35. Tell me again? by kheldan · · Score: 2

    Tell me again why we even need 'smart TVs' in the first place?
    I'd rather spend the money on a basic TV with better picture quality and get the 'smart' part from what I connect to it (DVR in my case).

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  36. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Fnord666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    So the idea is that the attacker overrides the RF signal with his own one, which contains the malicious data.

    No. They are actually overriding the DVB broadcast signal from the broadcaster and inserting malicious packets into the stream.

    Abstract: In the attempt to bring modern broadband Internet features to traditional broadcast television, the Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB) consortium introduced a specification called Hybrid Broadcast-Broadband Television (HbbTV), which allows broadcast streams to include embedded HTML content which is rendered by the television. This system is already in very wide deployment in Europe, and has recently been adopted as part of the American digital television standard.

    All of the references to the "red button" on the remote are a distraction that can be confusing. The red button on your remote is simply a way that you can invoke or interact with the hybrid content in the broadcast stream. It has nothing to do with the actual attack and the embedded content doesn't need to be actual interactive content.

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  37. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by dlgeek · · Score: 1

    But then Places like Comcast pay nearly minimum wage for the poor guys that do video conversion and upload, so if done late in the day the chance that they will just copy and call it done is high.

    Sounds like that's the place to attack then - hand the minimum wage guy a USB stick and a bag of money.

  38. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Abstract: In the attempt to bring modern broadband Internet features to traditional broadcast television, the Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB) consortium introduced a specification called Hybrid Broadcast-Broadband Television (HbbTV), which allows broadcast streams to include embedded HTML content which is rendered by the television.

    And for anyone wondering just why the hell anyone would want this, TFA clarifies:

    Broadcasters and advertisers have been eager to use the HbbTV to target ads more precisely and add interactive content, polls, shopping and apps, to home viewers.

    So let me get this right... "Punch the Monkey", coming to a TV near you? Flashing and bouncing "Take the "Which Ninja Turtle are you most like?" poll for a chance to win $1000!!!"? Malicious "Your TV isn't secure! Click here to upgrade!" ads that install some bullshit TV "app" that does only god-knows-what? Remote scripting running on a device designed without any security in mind, and which will probably never be updated during its 8+ year lifetime?

    How can I make this clear? Do. Not. Fucking. Want. Yet another reason to avoid "smart" TVs, I guess.

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  39. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    http://www.fmuser.org/low-powe...

    I quote "I have a USA customer use 5W fm transmitter with GP antenna in his hometown ,and he test it with a car, it cover 10km(6.21mile)."

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  40. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Your place is a minority, a very well trained minority that is doing things right.

    Very cool that some places are doing security right. Problem is do you run background checks for all contractors coming in? Because your security will have to let outside contractors in the door without security passes eventually.

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  41. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    When you say mW I presume you mean MW, mW is milliwatt.

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  42. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by msauve · · Score: 1

    Whoosh. No. When I said mW, I meant exactly what I said - milliwatt.

    The OP mentioned a MW (megawatt) transmitter, which is hardly trivial.

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  43. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    So the attack is "easy" all one needs to do is re-program a DVB modulator (they grow on trees, right? For all the geeks here, I bet there are only a hansdull that have even seen a DVB-T modulator), and insert it into a stream that a TV is on, and that TV must be connected to the Internet (the article put the connected Smart TVs at 30%). So, taking over a city of 10,000,000 people would get a few hundred thousand TVs, and ad insertion was one of the worst case scenarios.

    And the drive-by version blasting out the code will only work if someone is on and tuned to the station you are hijacking at that moment in time?

    Yeah, I think I'm with the makers. The damage, if hijacked, is small. And the possibilities of hijacking are small.

  44. WTF? Everyone is missing the REAL problem here! by Alsee · · Score: 1

    The problem isn't that someone can inject a fraudulent signal that does bad things. The problem is that THE OFFICIAL BROADCAST SIGNAL can include code that does bad things.

    Just because code is part of a TV broadcast doesn't mean you should trust it. Just because code is part of a TV broadcast doesn't mean it should be able to hijack your stored internet credentials and automatically log into your account on any website, and take actions on those websites as if they were you, modify the content you see on those other sites, shouldn't be able to log into your web accounts as you, scan and phone-home a copy of all of your personal information accessible on that account. It shouldn't be able to spy on your activity and report it back. It shouldn't be able to scan and attack other devices on your home network.

    Fucking asshats. They design a system with forty-two layers of DRM-enforcement security, but any signal that's part of the broadcast is given automatic authority to do anything it wants, given overriding authority against the TV owner's privacy and security.

    What ever happened to products designed around the wants and needs and interests of the buyer, so that people will want to buy your product rather than your competitor's? These pieces of shit are obviously designed to serve and protect broadcasters, regardless of the owner's interests.

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  45. So if I don't like my neighbour.... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    I can use a cheap, low powered transmitter to get his TV to download child porn, get out the pop corn and wait for Internal Affairs to raid his house?

  46. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    The CATV head-end I've been in had local commercials, and local override. So you could insert just about anything, in designated spots. That's how you get those bad local commercials. If nobody buys those spots, they run low-paying national commercials. Or national commercials that don't apply in that area (some national chains don't have universal coverage, so they want 80% coverage with their commercials, and it's up to the local areas to sell over their last 20%).

    But, as you say, the coding for this couldn't be inserted in a show or commercial, but would require a compromised encoder inserted in the stream.

  47. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    I managed the Cable TV systems for commercial insertion for 10 years, so tell me again how easy it is to swap a TV commercial?

    I've worked CATV too, and the commercials were stored on tapes, at least on the systems I worked on back when I did it. It was as easy to swap a TV commercial as ejecting a tape from a VCR and replacing it with a properly queued version.

    Just swap a TV commercial..... That's Hilarious, this is not 1993 when you had racks full of video tapes for the TV commercials.

    Nope. They still had racks of tapes for smaller markets in the last 5 years. Many are hand-me-downs from the 1993 systems you refer to.

    But does any of that matter. The attack requires coding that's above the level accessible inside the stream.

  48. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by garyebickford · · Score: 1

    If/when I ever get a new TV, it'll be hooked up via HDMI to the XBMC video server I'll get around to setting up. No ethernet to the TV, that's just asking for trouble. But, of course, I'm an aging curmudgeon and I do things like that. :P

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  49. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by freeze128 · · Score: 2

    Of course you can! You're just looking in the wrong place. The TV's you want are labelled "Computer Monitor".

  50. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Red button can be useful IFF there is no network connection at all (preventing most of the crap). For example, on DirecTV you can pull up sports scores, weather for your location, and such.

    But over the air with a network connection? I agree with you, DO NOT WANT!

    I notice they seem to have put plenty of effort into DRM in the spec to protect content providers, and none into security that would protect the owner of the TV.

  51. Yet another reason to avoid "smart" TVs by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    And cable, and satellite.. dont forget those boxes we now have to rent again to get our video feed ( the real reason for moving to digital TV,, but that is a different subject ) are in effect a smart TV... THEY control what your set gets to display to you..

    Now what i dont know, is: Do these 'receivers' have this technology yet? If not, its a matter of time.

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  52. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Kalriath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another effective mechanism, is to Decline the privacy policy. According to a recent Slashdot post, that disables pretty much every smart feature the TV has.

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  53. Red Button? by sethradio · · Score: 1

    All we need is a molly-guard!

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  54. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    We go into quite a bit of detail for contractors, company as well as the specific person that will come to us. And you don't get past the entrance without a security pass. Even with, as an "outsider" you will have your "personal assistant" with you. That's our wonderful euphemism for the shadow that will stay with you for your whole visit and watch every single move you make.

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  55. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Fantastic! It's a breath of fresh air to hear of a place that takes security seriously instead of just treating it as theater.

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  56. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Great, you hijack every TV in a city, what can you do with it? My smart TV has just enough processing power to play encoded streams, and no more. It won't mine bitcoins or such, and so far, every "attack" I've seen is wiped when the TV is turned off, so you'd get a tiny percentage of the TVs, and not much you can do with them. That's why nobody would do it.

  57. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

    How can I make this clear? Do. Not. Fucking. Want. Yet another reason to avoid "smart" TVs, I guess.

    You really can't as far as I can tell.

    You still can, though it might depend on what size of TV you're looking for. I'm in the market for a new TV right now, and I've noticed that Costco carries "dumb" TVs up through the 40" range. There are both smart and dumb sets at 40", with the dumb sets being about $75 cheaper.

    But yes, if you're looking for a large set you may have a hard time avoiding them at this point.

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  58. Seems unlikely by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    TFA mentions NTSC. "t’s on the verge of mass adoption in the U.S. as it was recently added to NTSC standards used in North America." NTSC was the obsolete low-def video format that's no longer used. It's DEAD. HDTV is the ATSC standard. These *TSC acronyms are mutually exclusive. So right off the bat, the article is on shaky ground.

    This "hack" seems like an uncommon scenario, as top-of-the-line "smart" TVs tend to be owned by relatively affluent and as such, the cash-stocked user is probably watching cable, satellite, or streaming signals which they can well afford to use.

    The people most likely to use an antenna are also the ones least likely to have a smart TV. They might even still use one of those converter boxes.

    Anyway, my TV is modern but stupid. I use a Roku and a satellite box. Never use the antenna directly -broadcast TV channels offer no content that interests me in any way whatsoever. So this is just one more reason to never watch that crap.

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  59. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by maugle · · Score: 1

    When are modern TVs ever truly "off", though? The screen may be off, but the rest of the internals are still working away...

  60. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Jumunquo · · Score: 1

    For large dumb LED TVs, try Sears or Dell. I got a 60" Samsung for my parents last year for $800 on sale.

  61. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    As far as I can tell with mine, it's as "off" as a computer in standby. That's as "off" as anything gets these days.

  62. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

    IT techs of whatever sort dont tend to be minimum wage, and the new hireds generally arent trusted with access to the sensitive stuff.

    Not sure why people feel the need to post about how the system works when they have no clue.

  63. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    And broadcast stations don't generally encode the signal (to DVB) until the last moment. So the content couldn't trigger the attack, but it'd have to be done at the transmitting station. I'm sure they have alarms on the buildings, but that wouldn't stop someone from breaking in, swapping the encoder for a compromised one, and running away to do it again later.

  64. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    That's a fairly sane approach to the problem at hand. One thing you should make mandatory for such events, though: There must not be any negative consequences for you for forgetting your badge. Well, other than your manager maybe not really enjoying to be called out of a meeting to pick you up at the entrance, but I actually made sure it's part of the security protocol that there MUST NOT be any kind of "official" negative impact.

    The reason is simple: If there was, the worker will try to avoid this. He will try to delay reporting a mistake for as long as he possibly can, hoping that he will find a solution that does not require him to report it at all. And the very LAST thing I need is someone losing his access card and NOT reporting it instantly because he hopes he forgot it at home or in his car, because he is afraid of a negative mark on his record.

    OTOH, not reporting an incident immediately is grounds for very severe consequences, up to instant termination. The first question you will be asked when reporting something is "when did you notice it". And your answer better be "just before I reported it".

    It took a surprising amount of effort to actually put that into action and make it a mandatory part of our security procedure. It seems managers like to punish people for making mistakes but don't care about them not reporting them.

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  65. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by mrdogi · · Score: 1

    i.e. a 1MW transmitter used to infect a rather small area

    Um, one megawatt could be used to hack a 'small area' like the entire United States. Perhaps you're thinking of a 1 mW (milliwatt) transmitter?

  66. Re:It doesn't take a genius to come up with an att by quetwo · · Score: 1

    tl;dr -- It's not as big of a deal as the TFA makes it out to be. The vector of attack is incredibly small, very well protected and requires a very specifically trained person with very trusted access to do. And the result would be that all they get is a webpage to pop up on a TV, that is turned on, that is tuned to that channel, and has the viewer's attention. Oh, and is on OTA.

    I'd imagine a larger metro like Chicago you might get a few dozen people at most to be in this category.