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The Internet's Own Boy
theodp (442580) writes "The Internet's Own Boy, the documentary about the life and death of Aaron Swartz, was appropriately released on the net as well as in theaters this weekend, and is getting good reviews from critics and audiences. Which is kind of remarkable, since the Achilles' heel of this documentary, as critic Matt Pais notes in his review, is that "everyone on the other side of this story, from the government officials who advocated for Swartz's prosecution to Swartz's former Reddit colleagues to folks at MIT, declined participation in the film." Still, writer/director Brian Knappenberger manages to deliver a compelling story, combining interesting footage with interviews from Swartz's parents, brothers, girlfriends, and others from his Internet projects/activism who go through the stages of joy, grief, anger, and hope that one sees from loved ones at a wake. "This remains an important David vs. Goliath story," concludes Pais, "of a remarkable brain years ahead of his age with the courage and will to fight Congress-and a system built to impede, rather than encourage, progress and common sense. The Internet's Own Boy will upset you. As it should." And Quinn Norton, who inadvertently gave the film its title ("He was the Internet's own boy," Quinn said after Swartz's death, "and the old world killed him."), offers some words of advice for documentary viewers: "Your ass will be in a seat watching a movie. When it is done, get up, and do something.""
First, I agree that the data should have been free. I even agree that the investigation into him seemed to be heavy handed.
However, Schwartz made an odd and poor choice in getting to the data. He could have downloaded the data from his own desk in his own office. Instead he went to the library and entered a wiring closet that was clearly not supposed to be open to the public. If he wanted to further his cause, this was a poor choice.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Hes a pussy that took the cowards way out.
How is it remarkable that the people "on the other side" didn't want to participate (meaning "the wrong side", I presume)? You think they would have felt they got a fair shake when the editing was all said and done? If you are running a company and Michael Moore shows up at your door, you think you'll come off looking good? It would have to be someone who is known for being fair before you'd want to sit down with them on something like this.
The thing that always bothered me about Swartz is why didn't rich benefactors in the tech industry help him not only with his legal issues, but also with his known issues with clinical depression. A strong, vigorous defense team provided by the EFF and getting Swartz psychiatric help could have saved his life.
Your ass will be in a seat watching a movie. When it's done, get up and do something.
Yeah.
Make a documentary or something.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
After all, Aaron would have wanted the data to be free.
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APK, when I see comments like this from people regarding suicides, it tells me immediately that the person making these comments has never felt suicidal. Never been so utterly and completely depressed that death seems the better option at the time. You simply cannot understand this if you have never experienced the feeling.
The tragedy is that many who do don't make it through the experience. I am glad that I didn't go through with it at that point in my life when it seemed the best option... Although, to be honest, it was really only further self-doubt that delayed taking the final plunge long enough for things to start to turn around.
It is a tragedy that Aaron Shwartz didn't make it through for things to start getting better, but there is certainly blame to be shared in his case... We ALL, as a society as a whole, failed Aaron imo.
Which is kind of remarkable, since the Achilles' heel of this documentary, as critic Matt Pais notes in his review, is that "everyone on the other side of this story, from the government officials who advocated for Swartz's prosecution to Swartz's former Reddit colleagues to folks at MIT, declined participation in the film."
It seems to be entirely unremarkable that a story told from only one perspective - presumably the one that shows the main "character" in a positive light - should get good reviews.
Tell it from both sides and you risk leaving the audience with unsatisfyingly ambiguous feelings about the whole affair; it's almost as if life isn't black and white!
No-one likes that in a movie.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
The remarkable legal part was that the Aaron Swartz "documents" where sealed under a protective order.
DOJ, MIT, JSTOR Seek Anonymity In Swartz Case:
Recall http://yro-beta.slashdot.org/s...
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
However, Schwartz made an odd and poor choice in getting to the data
No matter what choice he chose, Mr. Schwartz has made an imprint that not many others can match
You may want to critic Schwartz, you may even be the best Monday Morning Quarterback, but, before you continue to criticize what Mr. Schwartz did, please do ask yourself, what have you done for the world ?
Please tell us, what have you done for the world, apart from wasting oxygen and posting more inane nonsense online ?
He was bullied into suicide by believable threats of a 50yr prison sentence from authority, just as surely as that 13yr girl was bullied into suicide by a grown woman on facebook a few years ago. The authorities did everything they could to hang that woman even using facebook terms of services against her, and so they should, it is after all their job. But where are the rabid prosecutors that are taking Swartz's tormentors to task? Why have the authorities not pulled out every trick in the book to hang those official bullies with the same fervor and determination they did when pursuing an uneducated, immature soccer mom?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
If there are such "important cases" happening as you have claimed, it should be easy to provide an example of one of these "unsung heroes" facing a 50yr sentence, right?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
APK, when I see comments like this from people regarding suicides, it tells me immediately that the person making these comments has never felt suicidal. Never been so utterly and completely depressed that death seems the better option at the time. You simply cannot understand this if you have never experienced the feeling.
The tragedy is that many who do don't make it through the experience. I am glad that I didn't go through with it at that point in my life when it seemed the best option... Although, to be honest, it was really only further self-doubt that delayed taking the final plunge long enough for things to start to turn around.
It is a tragedy that Aaron Shwartz didn't make it through for things to start getting better, but there is certainly blame to be shared in his case... We ALL, as a society as a whole, failed Aaron imo.
Parent, +1. You can spot someone that has no experience or knowledge of clinical depression a mile away.
And people ask me why I say we're not in any way more free than any other dictatorship. "But we have free speech!" Yeah. But as soon as someone would listen, rest assured that we'll find a way to hang you.
Or get you to hang yourself, for all we care.
"But we can have guns!" So? The laws are rigged to ensure the government has the bigger ones AND the media power to ensure you're smeared as the bad guy enough that everyone supports that artillery strike against your cute little fortress.
You're free to do as you're told.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Like you, or anyone else, I've had shitty times in this life - however, "this too, shall pass" always rings true man...
I.E./E.G: I've had 2 pals of mine "smoke themselves" - & honestly? It blew my mind: Guys who had *EVERYTHING* to live for, no less (good looks, charm, wealthy families etc. - et al) - real "easy street"...
1 was a former roommate of mine & yes, good pal (we had some great times together, & now? He's "history" & he's MISSED SO MUCH, makes me angry & sad)!
Yes, I saw his life daily, he had it "going on"/made in a LOT of ways most guys would never have the chance to (on the grounds noted above in fact - many guys would KILL for those, & heck - they do!).
APK
P.S.=> However, you have a point: I am NOT them, so it's not right for me to superimpose my standards on them... still, I have to go back to what I said - they were selfish, hurting everybody around them that cared for them, in doing what they did too... apk
and how many other people who are far more important than this schmuck (Swartz) don't get movies created about them when they kill themselves?
You know APK, i don't usually agree with you, but this time, you are spot on. Sometimes though, in the depths of depression, its hard to see your value, getting through that on the other hand...
Suicide is as much about attention-getting and passive-aggressive revenge behavior as it is about depression. Anyone who is depressed and fully honest with themselves will understand that they don't deserve a release from pain, no matter how bad it is. If you think you deserve a release, then that means there's some shred of self-esteem left there that needs to be purged from the system.
If you read my other reply to the poster you replied to also? I do have it (even personally to a degree somewhat - but I KNOW that "this too, shall pass"...) - I've had GOOD pals knock themselves off, & yes, I saw it coming... not a DAMN THING I could do about it (I saw 2 sides of them is why - 1 was excellent, made me *wish* I was them in a way because of the gifts God gave them, others don't have (no, not even me)). The other side I saw (depressed on girls, a DUMB THING to worry about when you're good looking etc. imo & they were) I figured they'd blow off (women can give an aspirin a headache I've found - Jack Nicholson said it best: "Take a man, & take away all reason + accountability & you've got a woman" lol) & find another is all!
* However - I do know that NO MATTER HOW "F'ING BAD" IT GETS, that if you do "the right thing" (yes, purely relative term), it all comes out in the wash, clean... for lack of a better expression here.
APK
P.S.=> I will also stick to my guns on the statement that blowing yourself away is SELFISH... I mean, you've GOT to feel for those that care for you, & realize that NO MATTER WHAT, they won't abandon you when times get tough (if they really love you that is, & THAT is when you find out who your REAL PALS are - when you're down)... apk
I stick to my guns on what I said, mostly on 1 point: You nuke yourself, you're also nuking those that love you (& would've helped you through it - IF they really love you: That's what family (the most) & 'friends' (HARDEST THING TO FIND A REAL ONE, if you have even 1, consider yourself lucky) too... when you're down, THAT's when you find out who your REAL pals, are).
Giving up HOPE is the worst thing you can do - there is ALWAYS that, unless you're gone. "This too, shall pass" & we've ALL been there (I think it's part of the test that we live in, yes... it's a test, a game that can't be won, only played... why? To make you a BETTER soul! See, I believe there is GOD, & he puts us here, just like parents put us in school - to make us BETTER/STRONGER - because he loves us!)
APK
P.S.=> Anyhow/anyways - see subject-line above, & "onwards & upwards" (which you can't DO, if you put yourself 6 ft. under)... apk
He could have downloaded the data from his own desk in his own office. Instead he went to the library and entered a wiring closet that was clearly not supposed to be open to the public.
If you were going to download a lot of data, would you choose a node with many hops to the server or just a few? I would pick the one closest to the server.
Nice rationalization, but his first few attempts at scraping the database was by downloading via the MIT wifi network, so it's clear that speed of access wasn't his main objective here. It was only after he was repeatedly blocked from doing that by wireless access (being blocked should have been a clue to him) that he snuck into the closet.
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
It's not really a noble act to steal digital documents. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Sorry about the suicide but that's just how things turn out sometimes, dawin-wise.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Have we come to this point as a culture? Is this what my parents' felt when they disapproved of all my choices?
Aaron Swartz was a CRIMINAL and a COWARD. He committed crimes, got caught committing crimes, and decided that killing himself was better than facing the consequences of his actions. And now he's lauded as a hero and a victim. Have we lost so much accountability in our society? Fuck Aaron Swartz, and fuck everything about the cult of personality that has sprung up around this would-have-been felon.
Another example is the hero worship of Ryan Bruan. If you're not familiar with it, Bruan was caught doping, got suspended for last year, and is now lauded as a hero. How about that? How great is it that if you're a cheater, get caught, never apologize, and can play sportball good, it's okay!
He could have downloaded the data from his own desk in his own office. Instead he went to the library and entered a wiring closet that was clearly not supposed to be open to the public.
If you were going to download a lot of data, would you choose a node with many hops to the server or just a few? I would pick the one closest to the server.
Nice rationalization, but his first few attempts at scraping the database was by downloading via the MIT wifi network, so it's clear that speed of access wasn't his main objective here. It was only after he was repeatedly blocked from doing that by wireless access (being blocked should have been a clue to him) that he snuck into the closet.
OOoooh. Did he sneak in on his belly like a cobra or on tippy-toes like the spy-vs-spy cartoon? Seems like that would just draw undo attention. Or maybe he just walked in, and you are making shit up.
Uh, since you don't seem to know anything about the case, why are you commenting?
Here are the first couple of links from a google search
The Washington Post: Jan 12, 2013 - "When MIT cut off access to its wireless network, Swartz snuck into an MIT network closet and plugged his laptop directly into the campus ..."
What Aaron Swartz did at MIT - Daily Kos ...... The closet he snuck his laptop in turned out..."
Jan 13, 2013 - Between November and December 2010, Aaron Swartz accessed this room
Why We Should Remember Aaron Swartz - Businessweek Jan 13, 2013 - "It also has people like Aaron Swartz, whose work makes empires ... He snuck into a closet at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and used ..."
Swartz Caught in a Closet (Update) | Simple Justice Jul 20, 2011 - "Aaron Swartz, a 24-year-old programmer and online political activist, has ... on copies of JSTORs content without having to sneak into a closet, ..."
And the video is online: https://www.google.com/search?...
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
From wiki and various other places ...
"On September 12, 2012, federal prosecutors filed a superseding indictment adding nine more felony counts, which increased Swartz's maximum criminal exposure to 50 years of imprisonment and $1 million in fines.[12][84][85] During plea negotiations with Swartz's attorneys, the prosecutors offered to recommend a sentence of six months in a low-security prison, if Swartz would plead guilty to 13 federal crimes. Swartz and his lead attorney rejected that deal, opting instead for a trial in which prosecutors would have been forced to justify their pursuit of Swartz"
Now I have to wonder if the people who should be blamed for the suicide is his so-called supporters.
Six months in Club Fed is not a hardship and his attorneys would know that even if Aaron did not. I prefer not to be in jail, and I have been in jail (county jail) it sucks, but it's not as bad as TV prison.
They wanted to have a show trial using the unstable Aaron, and a show is what they got.
I made this news timeline of Swartz a while back. If you see anything missing drop me a note.
Prison would have only been part of the punishment. It's likely that his parole conditions would have pretty much destroyed his career.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I dunno. I have a hard time seeing any positive impact. Potential lessons learned:
1) Don't break the law expecting there will be no consequences
2) When you get caught don't kill yourself to avoid said consequences
3) The authorities can and will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law
All I'm seeing is good examples of what not to do. There are plenty of those available in society today.
This is exactly correct. I think all these people talking about how much "knowledge" they have with clinical depression have never truly wrestled with it and come out the other side. The bottom line is regardless of how you "feel" the impact on those around you is reality. You can't just dismiss that. I can see being so depressed that one does not consider that reality, but it's still there.
They all declined participation because they all know they're FUCKING WRONG
He hits us in mysterious ways, for our OWN good (see Job - he's the example I follow)...
APK
P.S.=> Put it THIS way: Not TOO long ago for me, I thought my entire WORLD was going to cave in (few years back) - I got on my knees, & said after a prayer "Whatever I did to deserve this, I am SURE I had it coming - I'm in your hands, as you know what you're doing, & I don't... however, you're winning, I've had enough & can't take anymore so please, make it stop..." - within MINUTES, I kid you not? The solution literally physically presented itself that solved all of my problems, in an instant... so, don't think it doesn't happen & that's no first for me either by the way... apk
He had already destroyed his career, parole conditions or not.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
It's also NOT EASY - nothing good, is. That's the tough part about it, right there. Anyhow/anyways - That's been my experience, (& MY life hasn't been some "disney movie" by any means (admittedly causing my own problems I had to dig my way out of, & became OLDER & WISER for it, hopefully, thank God)).
On the selfish part? Apparently, you don't "get it", do you? What about his Ma, or Pop, & sisters + brothers (most of all):
Don't YOU REALIZE how heart-broken they must be??
Apparently not... he didn't even CONSIDER how they would feel, for Pete's sake, when he killed himself!
APK
P.S.=> I can't teach a blind man to see the color blue, & that is that + your entitled to your outlook also (such as it is)... apk
I didn't even *KNOW* he killed himself - I had left for Atlanta Ga. by then, starting a new career & life there (it's where I changed my life, forever, for the better from there onward in fact) - there, everything "came up roses" for me (mostly, lol).
I took some shit for it too, finding out he smoked himself (over a girl no less, as I stated earlier) YEARS LATER (from another good buddy who also moved into the "dirty ole' south" not long after I did, albeit the Augusta Ga. area instead who came to visit me in Atlanta). He told me "A lot of people called you a piece of shit for not being @ his funeral" & I said "Man, this IS the 1st I heard of it... no joke!" & it was - hell of a shock.
I had cut ties with everyone, & I was TOO BUSY with projects (like BellSouth's Olympics RAS project using Windows NT 3.51 on laptops "the infamous they" said "couldn't be done" well... me & a crew from DEC made the 'impossible', possible... with a little help from some Ascend gateways!)... I hadn't heard hide nor hair from a soul up north there, until... oh, 1999 or so.
Long before that, about a year or so in fact - yes, I told him "Man, look - you're good looking, have charm & good graces, and come from immense wealth" (his father was a big man @ Proctor & Gamble Fluor Daniels' subsidiary division) "You can get a ZILLION chicks like her... haven't you been here before, & gotten thru it?" He said yes. I was convinced he was going to be fine after that.
Guess I was wrong... then again, I am NOT my "brother's keeper", much less a pal's.
APK
P.S.=> So, you can *try* to give me guff about that, but I had no way to control it - as I was "long gone with the dawn" for a year++ before it happened... apk
I've never understood why he deserves martyrdom. He was unfairly prosecuted, that's for damn sure. But killing himself?
That's the result of a very emotionally confused person some how being convinced he was important.
He selfishly tore their HEARTS out, without a thought, & for what? A 6 month sentence in a minimum security penitentiary?? WTF??? Kevin Mitnick's doing FINE after years in jail - that tell you anything???? It does me.
I do have experience with people offing themselves (2 good pals of mine in fact)... they hurt EVERYONE around them, & for what? Being 'busted up' over girls?? Come on! It'd be 1 thing *IF* they were 1 eyed cyclops hunchbacks, but they weren't... they were good looking, charming & from wealthy famlies (things people less advantaged spend countless MILLIONS on attempting to 'improve themselves' since they cannot ACCEPT & love themselves, for who & what they are).
They hurt ME, but most & VERY BADLY, their mothers, fathers, & brothers + sisters... that, I can't forgive them for... & I am entitled to my feelings on this, as you are to yours. However, his family isn't entitled to THAT SORROW... it was a selfish move, pulling the act where you ARE, truly, the ultimate aggressor & yet the ultimate victim in the same motion... unfortunately, that dumb move HARMS OTHERS, to the core (punches in the head? They go away... not ones to the heart).
APK
P.S.=> No, the kid did it WRONG, plain & simple - without a thought to those that loved him apparently, & to ME @ least? THAT makes him as selfish as any sociopath... apk
Please go back to listening to your Pink Floyd albums. Cynics never create anything.
if you do "the right thing" (yes, purely relative term), it all comes out in the wash, clean... for lack of a better expression here.
Not really. It makes you feel better maybe, you won't have regrets at least. Doesn't do a damn thing for reality. Doesn't change anything but yourself.
If anything, it makes others loathe and persecute you more. You are just spoiled and don't have a clue, they have it so much tougher. Ethics just get you hated and make you a target.
"The right thing" is get out of a shitty situation and into a better one. Doing the right thing in the wrong place means nothing, it will get you killed.
P.S.=> I will also stick to my guns on the statement that blowing yourself away is SELFISH... I mean, you've GOT to feel for those that care for you, & realize that NO MATTER WHAT, they won't abandon you when times get tough (if they really love you that is, & THAT is when you find out who your REAL PALS are - when you're down)... apk
apk is my pal. apk might deny this, but apk knows the truth.
No, it is not selfish. It is selfish to act like you own another person and have any right to tell
them anything. They didn't ask to be here. Noone did.
It depends on the situation, and is up to them what to do.
You should keep surviving whether anyone loves you or not. You should live such that you love yourself, no matter what.
There aren't any REAL PALS there are just people. Flawed, imperfect, hypocritical, delusional,
idiotic, lovable people.
There is no "NO MATTER WHAT" everyone has a limited shelf life.
What you can do, is honor their memory when they are gone, but yes, everyone will abandon you at some point. And you will abandon everyone too.
Wishful thinking and make believe won't change that.
You honor them by remembering them when they are no longer with you.
You do what you can in your short time while you are here.
It IS selfish to hurt those that care for you, dusting yourself - period (I'd like to ask his Ma, Pop, Sis or Bro though to be sure, admittedly - however, *IF* they're human beings & loved him? They're hurting... unfortunately, through a blatantly SELFISH act, that didn't involve considering his family's feelings - the ONE SET OF FOLKS THAT MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN HIM THRU IT NO LESS!).
Heck - all he faced was a 6 month stint in what sounds like a county jail deal (You do MORE TIME for a DUI, incidentally, 1 yr. in a less than dangerous "REAL" jail).
You're missing or avoiding MY point, entirely, from above - I wonder how his family feels or felt AFTER he took HIMSELF away from them, selfishly? Hurt, I almost *guarantee* that, since they're human...
APK
P.S.=> I've got my regrets though - Not tilll I was around 30 though, but I have 1 or 2 tops (no escaping that I suppose - I got lucky to have done so, that long imo... nothing I can't live with though)... apk
I am glad to see YOU agree with the FACT he took his life & hurt those who loved him most - selfish + inconsiderate, that!
APK
P.S.=> These "naysayers" of mine are wannabe shrinks (a useless field in a limited pseudo science imo actually) - OR, possibly, they've been 'brainwashed' by b.s. from shrinks themselves it seems - either way, I can't teach a person how to CONSIDER THE FEELINGS OF OTHERS DUE TO THEIR ACTIONS - especially family members if/when one commits suicide, breaking THEIR hearts in doing so, harming those that loved them, the most... apk
"Not really. It makes you feel better maybe, you won't have regrets at least. Doesn't do a damn thing for reality. Doesn't change anything but yourself." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
An excellent place to start (imo the ONLY 1), IS with "you" buddy & yes, it changes YOUR reality, & reality IS a matter of perception. Good enough for me & it's made ME a better person - & improves the lives of those around me (which imo, IS your duty as a human being).
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"If anything, it makes others loathe and persecute you more. You are just spoiled and don't have a clue, they have it so much tougher. Ethics just get you hated and make you a target." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
Fine by me & nothing I'm afraid of (been shot, stabbed, beaten with bats etc. & lived thru it) since I've been that target (even on /. from trolls nigh constantly - they can't disprove points I make on hosts for instance, which makes me laugh & yes, stronger) - not spoiled @ all - working class family & that's what I am (& I have more of a clue than you do (in fact, I doubt you'd survive the place I live in & I also feel sorry for you). Ethics separate us, from beasts (most of us, unlike you apparently).
You sound almost like a nihilist.
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""The right thing" is get out of a shitty situation and into a better one. Doing the right thing in the wrong place means nothing, it will get you killed." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
Again - hasn't gotten ME killed yet & nothing can destroy me (this is where I am weak @ times, how about you?), except me (or when my time's up of course).
Continued in my NEXT reply...
APK
P.S.=> "Stay tuned", lol... apk
"apk is my pal. apk might deny this, but apk knows the truth." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
The truth is, a 1,000 LIKE YOU couldn't make me think like you @ all... & you don't possess the will to make it otherwise with your "I know what YOU are thinking" delusional logic there (it'd take a LOT better than you, armed with more solid logic, than your "bullshit from a can" here...).
"No, it is not selfish. It is selfish to act like you own another person and have any right to tell them anything. They didn't ask to be here. Noone did." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
LOL, you just TRIED to tell me "what's-what" in MY world (wrong) 1st of all. Secondly? Do they also have the right to be a sociopath, unconcerned with others' well being (especially their family who loved & helped them)? That's when even LAWS say you're crossing the line - when you HARM others.
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"It depends on the situation, and is up to them what to do. You should keep surviving whether anyone loves you or not. You should live such that you love yourself, no matter what." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
This, I agree with.
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"There aren't any REAL PALS there are just people. Flawed, imperfect, hypocritical, delusional, idiotic, lovable people." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
Sometimes (& here is where I really feel sorry for you, & pity you - you've only done this to yourself), even a blind squirrel finds a nut (there are exceptions to your rule, in other words). Your problem here? YOU don't know HOW to "pick 'em" is all... you're 'blind'.
Continued in my next reply...
APK
P.S.=> All I can say to you, is you've the devil in you... try say this, aloud: "Satan, get thee behind me...", ok? You need it... apk
"There is no "NO MATTER WHAT" everyone has a limited shelf life." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
Agreed - on a long enough timeframe, everyone's survival rate drops to zero... still, imo @ least? Do right by others while you are here, as much as you can (hard to do, can't please everyone & you can't live like a man, & NOT make enemies @ times either).
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"What you can do, is honor their memory when they are gone, but yes, everyone will abandon you at some point. And you will abandon everyone too." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
Yes - you die. That's not a controllable factor... if people leave you on other grounds? You said it yourself - find others (another place to be/go/do/live).
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"Wishful thinking and make believe won't change that." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
There's no "wishful thinking" here - I live what I say, it works (for myself @ least - pity it didn't for you is all I can say).
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"You do what you can in your short time while you are here." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 30, 2014 @08:17PM (#47355345)
Agreed, 110%... & endeavor to do so, + usually succeed, everyday. That does NOT give you the right to harm others via acting irresponsibly - especially killing yourself & acting like a selfish sociopath, uncaring that you're tearing out those that love you's hearts via suicide.
APK
P.S.=> "Onwards & Upwards" (you can't DO that though when you put yourself "6 ft. under" though - & that doesn't give you the right to bury others along with you, or hurt them where it never goes away (their hearts, especially those that love you))
... apk