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Samsung Release First SSD With 3D NAND
Vigile (99919) writes "As SSD controllers continue to evolve, so does the world of flash memory. With the release of the Samsung 850 Pro SSD announced today, Samsung is the first company to introduce 3D NAND technology to the consumer. By using 30nm process technology that might seem dated in some applications, Samsung has been reliably able to stack lithography and essentially "tunnel holes" in the silicon while coating the inside with the material necessary to hold a charge. The VNAND being used with the Samsung 850 Pro is now 32 layers deep, and though it lowers the total capacity per die, it allows Samsung to lower manufacturer costs with more usable die per wafer. This results in more sustainable and reliable performance as well as a longer life span, allowing Samsung to offer a 10 year warranty on the new drives. PC Perspective has a full review with performance results and usage over time that shows Samsung's innovation is leading the pack."
Man, this has to be the most blatant Slashvertisement I've ever read. The summary even sounds as though it was written by a professional ad copy writer. Gimme a break, Dicedot!
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128GB - $129.99 USD ($1.02/GB)
256GB - $199.99 USD ($0.78/GB)
512GB - $399.99 USD ($0.78/GB)
1TB - $699.99 USD ($0.68/GB)
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/S...
You might try reading the article...
128GB - $129.99 USD ($1.02/GB)
256GB - $199.99 USD ($0.78/GB)
512GB - $399.99 USD ($0.78/GB)
1TB - $699.99 USD ($0.68/GB)
In the linked results a mechanical drive with platters smokes them all?
Yep. Here's the Slashdot article about them starting manufacturing.
But that's all the way at the end of the article! How are you supposed to get all the way there? I mean, I could see myself doing it if they had some sort of handy drop down menu, but come on, who has that???
I think the 10 year warranty is the bigger deal. Sandisk is starting to offer 10 year warranties too... show me a single HDD with that sort of warranty.
Forget the product but think of reverting back to 30nm. Also from the benchmarks it looks consistently faster in all but one test vs. the 840. With a lower manufacturing costs we're probably truly seeing the end of the line for rotating media in most desktop/server configurations. I'm wondering when I can get a 1TB+ with this new process now.
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And how exactly is this cheaper? This is already regular price for all other manufacturers.. But the article specifically states "Samsung to lower manufacturer costs with more usable die per wafer". I guess if it actually comes with a 10 year warranty that is worth a bit.
1TB of storage is 1TB of storage. I have several spinning rust platters that are older than that just because they keep doing their job and don't give me any trouble. Plus hard drives really stalled out there for a couple of years after the Typhoon hit and SSDs exploded onto the scene.
I read the internet for the articles.
Oh get over yourself. The submission reads *like* a paid ad, which is editorially questionable, regardless of whether it actually is.
It's because 3D CPUs are kind of dangerous.
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Its a limited warranty, subject to the rated TBW. After 150TB of writes, the device is out of warranty. I burn through Samsung 840 Pro drives in about 4-6 months each running full throttle at max IOPS. Still totally worth the cost for the performance increase. I expect similar results from the 850 Pros.
What, you can't detect the fishy whiff from "shows Samsung's innovation is leading the pack"? Real humans don't talk like this.
On the other hand, I don't think I'd blame Samsung. The submitter links to pcper.com *a lot*. If I was to bet on who was paying for links on Slashdot, it wouldn't be Samsung.
I see what you mean, though I think it might be a case of poor writing rather than a true paid advertisement.
The summary does read like a product launch advertisement from the manufacturer. The word "Samsung" is used seven times in six sentences, the last sounding more like hyperbole than fact.
"..Samsung's innovation is leading the pack!"
"..then you should apologize immediately. Apologize to Samsung, apologize to Timothy and the submitter, and apologize to the entire Slashdot community, please."
Oh brother. Relax, Francis.
Yes, lowering manufacturer costs. That is the way for Samsung to get richer, not lowering your costs. ;-)
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That's a pretty nasty duty cycle, wouldn't it be better to use a massive RAM disk instead, if you need that much constant I/O traffic?
For your average consumer or even professional user, pretty much any SSD on the market will easily outlast the rest of the PC, barring any catastrophic failures. There was a test recently that concluded that you're pretty guaranteed at least 500TB of writes before failure. That's a hell of a lot of data.
Eat the rich.
More or less every SSD on the market currently will saturate even a 6Gbit/s SATA connection, you don't have to buy the latest and greatest to achieve maximum possible transfer speed. If you put this SSD in a new PC today, the SSD will pretty much be the last component to be obsolete, save maybe the physical case itself. This situation is going to persist for some time, so I can easily see one of these drives being used for 10 years across various upgraded PCs. It'll keep up with faster CPUs and RAM, no problem.
Anyone can appreciate the speed boost (and silence!) an SSD brings, not just enthusiasts.
Eat the rich.
One of my customers has them in the two new computers he bought. Custom built, each with mirrored SSDs for C: drive.
One SSD failed in two months, and one in the other computer is gone after about 8 months. Not high usage either. The workhorse drives are standard spinning disk drives.
I know, YMMV, but still, that's a high failure rate, with good name brand drives.
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Parent poster here, I use the 840 Pros I mentioned above on my laptop, I already have extensive caching going on with about 12GB of my 32GB of RAM, but its still saturates the SATA bus due to the mostly random nature of the I/Os. Its basically a giant 300GB b+tree with 2MB leaf nodes and about a 40% insertion 40% lookup and 20% deletion ratio.
The performance is worth the cost a drive every now and again. The drives last way longer than their rated 72TB, in practice they typically manage about 600TB of writes before they fail. This is with TRIM commands being sent, without TRIM, they fail much sooner, but I haven't measured no-TRIM since the OCZ days before I moved from Vertex drives to Samsung ones.
10 yr warranty on something that will be obsolete in much less time, bought only by those who keep current with tech?
10 years means it's either not a piece of shit that will fail within a couple years or Samsung is going to bankrupt their storage division doing it. a) is more likely.
SSD failures are a pain in the ass, especially when you have to drive a couple hundred miles to replace them. And even if the machines are close, it costs human time and on-call pages to deal with them. Unreliable gear is a nightmare.
The only SSD's I've had working for years and years have been Intel SLC units. I'm hoarding a box of dozens of failed Kingstons, Mushkins, Crucials, etc. on the mistaken belief that I'll ever send them in to claim the warranties (the truth is I won't trust their replacements so why bother unless I'm going to triple-RAID mirror the things).
For somebody like me who does not want to worry about the SSD's failing before they get replaced, this is exactly what I'm in the market for. A buck a gig? Sold.
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Yes, lowering manufacturer costs. That is the way for Samsung to get richer, not lowering your costs. ;-)
If these are as reliable as the warranty implies, they'll dramatically lower my costs. The cost of the item is almost negligible at these prices.
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Cheaper for Them to increase profit margins.
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On average, SSDs have 1/4 the failure rate of mechanical drives in "normal" desktop situations. You say "not high usage", but did you have a swap file on the SSDs? What brand? OCZ had some 50%+ failure rates for some models, and averaged over 4x the industry average.
Even Samsung has had a few sketchy models.
Mirrored SSDs that die from "wear", will fail near the same time.
curved SSDs are coming soon
Anyone can appreciate the speed boost (and silence!) an SSD brings, not just enthusiasts.
If the noisiest thing in your computer is your hard drive, something is wrong. Case, CPU and GPU fans are way noisier than a modern HD.
Yes, the price of the 850 is obscene. The 840 wasn't very overwhelming either. The Crucial M500 is where it's at.
Tell that to the hard drive I switched for an SSD. I measured a drop from 33dB to 30dB measured right beside the PC during drive read/write. And that was with the harddrive mounted on rubber dampers. Most modern computers use large variable-speed fans that make very little noise.
It's true that modern hard drives are very quiet. Right up until they start seeking.
Eat the rich.
Parent poster here, I use the 840 Pros I mentioned above on my laptop, I already have extensive caching going on with about 12GB of my 32GB of RAM, but its still saturates the SATA bus due to the mostly random nature of the I/Os. Its basically a giant 300GB b+tree with 2MB leaf nodes and about a 40% insertion 40% lookup and 20% deletion ratio.
Wouldn't something like this or another enterprise drive be a better match for you?
That's pretty impressive. An 800GB drive is rated at 8TB/day. 14PB over 5 years.
With parent posters writes of 600TB in 4 months, 5TB per day, these drives will outlast their 5 year life span.
Who says you need fans in a PC?
The summary even sounds as though it was written by a professional ad copy writer. Gimme a break, Dicedot!
Would you prefer a summary written by a primary school kid like the normal quality of work we get from Slashdot?
Of note is that while the summary may read like an advertisement the article most certainly does not. There's excellent pictures of what a 3D process looks like that I haven't seen before. Furthermore as a nerd the emergence and the general application of 3D silicon is most interesting news. Yes it's read like an advertisement but there's a lot of meat in this that makes it newsworthy and interesting.
But I guess we should ban every post that talks about every product right, because even an article on yet another unpatched windows bug is nothing but an advert for Linux.
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And how exactly is this cheaper?
Easy... it's only 14 times more expensive than spinning disk instead of 15.
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Hear, hear. I have a passively cooled DN2800MT in the living room for my kids to play with. It's sufficiently powerful for most online games (think candy-crush) or GCompris or oldish (so called educational) games they find at the library (**). The only moving parts in there are the DVD and HDD. As expected, the DVD-player is 'loud' but although the hard-disk is a modern and fairly silent one; you absolutely notice it whenever the OS puts it to sleep!
(**: Most of these cd-roms come with minimum requirements along the lines of 'Pentium 166 with 4Mb of ram'. Not that I mind, but when you come to think of it, it seems that this whole industry peaked around 10 years ago and then simply vanished ?!)
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The warranty covers 10 years or 150TBW whichever comes first. This should be fine for private use (150TB written over 10 yrs = 40GBW/day) but YMMV.
http://www.samsung.com/global/...
We've hit the 540MB/sec barrier a long time ago - I think last year when SATA3 was getting popular, actually.
it's why companies like Apple are moving to PCIe - the SATA bottleneck was very obvious it was going to be hit basically upon release of the SATA3 standard.
PCIe SSDs are easily getting 700MB/sec and higher. On a bad day. High end ones like Wozniak's Fusion I/O were hitting gigabytes/second reads and writes years ago.
Passively cooled PCs are very underpowered compared to their actively cooled counterparts. If you want to use your PC for anything like gaming, compiling, or stuff like that, you're going to need active cooling.
You just need to increase the surface area.
eg: Fanless heatsink for 95W TDP CPU's: http://www.quietpc.com/nof-ice...
There are a few cases with integrated heat sinks capable of 95W CPU's: http://quietpc.co.uk/st-fc10