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New Zealand ISP's Anti-Geoblocking Service Makes Waves

angry tapir writes New Zealanders and Australians are often blocked from using cheap streaming services such as Netflix and Hulu and instead at the mercy of local content monopolies for popular shows such as Game of Thrones. However, a New Zealand ISP, Slingshot, has caused a stir by making a previously opt-in service called 'Global Mode' a default for its customers. The new service means that people in NZ don't need to bother with VPNs or setting up proxies if they want to sign up to Netflix — they can just visit the site. The service has also caused a stir in Australia where the high price for digital goods, such as movies from the iTunes store, is a constant source of irritation for consumers.

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  1. Tits and swords by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're not missing anything if you don't see GoT. It's just tits and swords.

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    1. Re:Tits and swords by fey000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're not missing anything if you don't see GoT. It's just tits and swords.

      Paraphrase: You're not missing anything interesting. It's just the most awesome thing in the world and the fourth most awesome thing in the world. All the time.

  2. Please do not use this facility by mtthwbrnd · · Score: 5, Funny

    it is the same as stealing money from old women at knifepoint.

    1. Re:Please do not use this facility by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

      it is the same as stealing money from old women at knifepoint.

      You mean you are likely to be pepper sprayed then bludgeoned with a handbag?

  3. Not Australian, but I support this! by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Internet should be global.

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    1. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is. What the problem is is Hollywood and their media licensing rules. They're the ones that decided that streaming to an additional country costs more. Netflix didn't decide that all on their own for no reason.

    2. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hollywood and their media licensing rules.

      See this is where we went wrong, allowing Hollywood to dictate anything beyond what happens in their films (let's face it, they shouldn't be allowed that, either).

    3. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Aussies have voted themselves high taxes on all goods. If they are tired of paying the high taxes on them, well golly do something about it.

      Care to name those specific taxes, Mr Expert?

      The price differential is due to supply and demand, specifically the lack of supply/competition. The local stores have a monopoly on distribution through import agreements with manufacturers which lets them charge what the fuck they want, the retail prices contain a 100-200% mark-up over the actual wholesale cost, including tax, and it is pure profit.

    4. Re:Not Australian, but I support this! by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Aussies have voted themselves high taxes on all goods. If they are tired of paying the high taxes on them, well golly do something about it.

      Care to name those specific taxes, Mr Expert?

      This. There are no additional taxes on digital media beyond sales tax.

      As an Australian, I import all my games and movies on disc from places like Hong Kong and the UK (I also buy my books from there too). I pay the UK/HK prices plus shipping and its still cheaper. Even if I had to pay tax (an order under A$900 is tax free) I'd just have to add 10% and I'd still be making a huge saving compared to buying it locally.... and this is 100% legal, it's even legal for an Australian company to drop ship media products and pay local taxes on the transaction.

      So I'd also like Mr Expert to point out where these high taxes are?

      Australia is amongst one of the lowest taxed nations in the western world (we pay more federal income tax, but no state income taxes like the US and Canada). High costs are a legacy of a time when the AUD was not strong (around US$0.5-0.6) and when we were so isolate we had no choice but to pay stupendously inflated prices. Isolation is not an issue anymore and the AUD has been strong for almost a decade.

      The price differential is due to supply and demand, specifically the lack of supply/competition. The local stores have a monopoly on distribution through import agreements with manufacturers which lets them charge what the fuck they want, the retail prices contain a 100-200% mark-up over the actual wholesale cost, including tax, and it is pure profit.

      With media, it isn't the stores charging the high prices, it's the distributors. Margins on media are razor thin and when it comes to Apple, Google and other online distributors, they are not local stores but still are beholden to the whims of the "rights holders".

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  4. Great! by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But how well will this work when IPv6 becomes ubiquitous?

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  5. Needed to stop anyway by timrod · · Score: 5, Informative

    Geo-blocking is a practice that needs to stop anyway, because it makes no sense. Take Steam as an example.

    Up until two or three years ago, there were a good number of people who used proxies to buy content not from their region on Steam - this was particularly important for Germans (who are served the "low violence" version of games by default) and Australians/New Zealanders (who were far overcharged compared to the US/UK and could use a proxy to buy stuff from the US Steam store cheaper than they could in Aus/NZ). There was one problem with this system, though. Most publishers sold games on Steam's Russian store for far cheaper than they did on the US or UK stores - a friend of mine bought a 4-pack of copies of Dead Island (back when that was a new-ish game and the 4-pack was going for upwards of $60 on the US store) from Russia for like $20.

    Then, Valve started cracking down on cross-region purchases, making it so that you could still add games from other regions but could not actually play them until your IP was detected as being in one of those regions. The problem was that it was applied so that more expensive regions had fewer restrictions - US-bought games can be played anywhere, as can AUS/NZ ones, but games purchased from Russia or a few other regions can't be played outside of those specific regions. This means that if you're from the US and go on vacation in Russia, you can play Counter-Strike GO while in Russia, but if you're Russian and go on vacation to the US you can't play CS:GO while in the US.

    It's a ridiculous double-standard, and a counter to geo-blocking would remove a lot of it.

    1. Re:Needed to stop anyway by kav2k · · Score: 5, Informative

      A couple of points.

      First, those restrictions have recently been kicked up a notch in ridiculousness. Some publishers now disallow gift copies in those "cheaper" regions - presumably, to stop such cross-region trading, but you can't even gift the game to someone within the region.

      Second, it's important to remember that region restrictions are entirely up to the publisher. As far as I can tell, Steam more or less mandates cheaper prices for Russian region, but adding restrictions is entirely publisher's decision. For instance, no digital copy of a Valve game was ever subject to those restrictions (retail is another matter though). Most indies don't opt for regional versions.

    2. Re:Needed to stop anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no "presence" in other countries in most cases. It's certainly not a requirement. Most of the "indie" games on steam have no "presence" in say Australia, and yet the price in Australia is not [US Price] * ($AU/$US) in AUD or just [US Price] in USD.

      It has nothing to do with "costs to maintaining and presence in another country". It is solely due to "that's what Xians are willing to pay for the game", which unsurprisingly pisses people off since most people don't like being charged more than someone else for no reason other than the seller thinks they are dumb enough to pay more.

  6. Don't they feel special.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not a Geo-block designed to prevent Australians and New Zealanders from accessing the content, it's a whitelist designed to allow only US residents. The pricing in various other countries also varies greatly.

    There is no valid argument as to why New Zealanders are paying much more for the same content as others in the world. We shouldnÃ(TM)t tolerate it.

    The reason they have to pay more is that the producers think they can extract more money that way. One way to counteract that is to stop buying their wares.

    1. Re:Don't they feel special.. by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      there is varying levels of taxation per country.

      Which should be handled the same way a DVD purchase by a NZ resident visiting the USA is. The transaction occurred on US soil, subject to US taxes. If you carry that product into another tax jurisdiction, it's not the problem of the manufacturer or vendor.

      complying with certain country specific rules (different ratings, having to provide dual language support in places like Quebec)

      Again, its the responsibility (and choice) of the customer. If someone from Quebec purchases material in the USA without a French audio track, its their choice. Not the US vendor's problem.

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  7. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

    Geo-locking content has been declared illegal in New Zealand, thus the rights holders don't have any stand to sue.

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  8. South Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    South Africa needs this from an ISP.

    We get raped on fee's, and other charges that *literally* don't exist anywhere else.

  9. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the geo-locking was declared illegal in connection with DVDs, nothing happened. Thus it will be the same again with the streaming services.

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  10. Oh, I'd say it\s much more than that. by westlake · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're not missing anything if you don't see GoT. It's just tits and swords.

    and the best writing, performance, and production values of any television series currently on air. List of awards and nominations received by Game of Thrones

  11. Re:Will local rights holders sue? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then it will be back to bittorrent. It's best for all to tear down the walls.

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  12. Globalization by HaaPoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is very interesting that globalization is welcomed when reducing cost to produce and increasing the profit, but when it is issue of globalization on purchase price companies resist and try to stop it.