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Uber Is Now Cheaper Than a New York City Taxi

redletterdave writes Uber announced in a blog post on Monday it would cut the prices of its UberX service in New York City by 20% — but it's only for a limited time. Uber says this makes it cheaper to use UberX than taking a taxi. Consumers like Uber's aggressive pricing strategy but competitors — and some of its own drivers — are not as happy. UberX, Uber’s cheaper service usually hosted by regular people driving basic sedans rather than fancy black cars, also cut its rates by 25% last week in the Bay Area, including San Francisco, San Jose, and Oakland. As a result of that announcement, Uber said its service was effectively “45% cheaper than a taxi.”

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  1. And in other news by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

    The amount of insurance carried by Uber drivers is also probably much less than NY taxis.

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    1. Re:And in other news by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For young and invincible drivers, its usually the older more mature drivers without that attitude that end up subsidizing them.

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    2. Re:And in other news by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not to mention that Uber drivers probably aren't paying as much as $1 million for a single taxicab license.

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    3. Re:And in other news by jratcliffe · · Score: 5, Informative

      NYC Taxis have to carry $100k (per person) / $300k (per incident) liability insurance. That's the same for Uber drivers.

      http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/do...

    4. Re:And in other news by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      so your ok with with a non taxi taxi hitting your car and then the they get to use EULA to get out of paying the cost to fix it? or what about if it was your kid that got killed and you where stuck with the bills?

      What difference does it make whether it is a taxi or a private car? A taxi shouldn't be required to have more collision insurance
      for external collisions than any other car. You MIGHT be able to argue that they need more coverage for passengers but it makes
      no sense to require them to have higher coverage for external collisions just because they are a taxi.

    5. Re:And in other news by bws111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course it makes sense. Insurance rates are based on risk. Are you claiming that a car that is on the road all day long, in very congested conditions, making frequent stops to pick up/drop off passengers has no more risk of being in a collision than any other vehicle?

    6. Re:And in other news by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2

      No, not at all. My statement was only related to who subsidizes who's car insurance. Anything more was in your mind.

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    7. Re:And in other news by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember that adage that 90% of car accidents happens 5 minutes away from the departure point or 5 minutes before the arrival point? Guess what a taxi service is constantly doing...

    8. Re:And in other news by SethJohnson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why shouldn't the same insurance rates apply to everybody, simply based on mileage, driving history, and vehicle type? I mean, if I wanted to pick out a category of drivers to charge more, it would be mothers with children in their cars (they are dangerous), not Uber drivers looking for rides.

      Consider the scenario where you are standing on a street corner and a car comes rushing towards you at a high rate of speed. Collision is imminent. You're going to survive the impact, but you'll be paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of your life.

      If the car that crippled you was operated by an employee of a cab company, it might mean that a legal settlement would be reached such that you'd spend the rest of your life at your house with inhouse nurse care.

      If the car was an Uber driver rushing down the street to pick up a customer before becoming inpatient and choosing a different car in the app, well, I hope you have substantial insurance through your own job. When you attempt to sue Uber over your injuries, they'll say they have no liability in the matter because their driver wasn't on the clock with a passenger. And they'll exert significant legal resources to prevent creating a precedent that'll put them out of business. They'll happily spend more fighting your case than the amount for which your suing. In this scenario, you're likely to have to live at an institution to be provided needed medical care for the rest of your life.

      As for your stereotyping of mothers with infants, the most common cause of car accidents is distracted driving due to cellphone usage. Seems that Uber drivers looking for fares would strongly fit into that category....

    9. Re:And in other news by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not according to Uber's web site.

      If you’re taking a ride requested through UberBLACK, UberSUV, or uberTAXI, your livery or taxi transportation provider carries a commercial insurance policy in at least the minimum amount required by local regulations. If you didn’t get his or her insurance information at the time of the accident, please reach out to us so we can connect you.

      If you’re taking a ride requested through uberX, some transportation providers are rideshare drivers providing transportation with their personal vehicles. Rideshare providers carry personal insurance policies. In addition, there’s a commercial insurance policy with $1 million of coverage per incident. This policy covers drivers’ liability from the time a driver accepts your trip request through the app until the completion of your trip. This policy is in addition to the driver’s own policy, but it acts as primary insurance if the driver’s policy is not available for any reason. An additional insurance policy covers drivers when they are logged into the Uber app but are not currently on a trip.

      There is also uninsured/underinsured motorist coverage (UI/UIM) of $1 million per incident for bodily injury, in case another motorist causes an accident and doesn’t carry adequate insurance. So, for example, injuries caused by a hit-and-run accident would be covered by the UI/UIM.

      For additional information, visit our blog: blog.uber.com/ridesharinginsurance

    10. Re:And in other news by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Remember that adage that 90% of car accidents happens 5 minutes away from the departure point or 5 minutes before the arrival point?

      No, because that is nonsense. The actual* figure is 52% (not 90%) of accidents occur withing 5 miles (not five minutes). But that is not because driving within that radius is particularly dangerous, but simply because most driving occurs within that radius.

      * This figure comes from a survey conducted by Progressive Insurance in 2002. Many articles attribute the study to the NHTSA, and often exaggerate the percentage, or the distance, or both.

    11. Re:And in other news by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      The reason most accidents happen close to your home is exactly as you said -- most driving occurs close to your home.

      So don't drive anywhere near this guy's home.

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    12. Re:And in other news by mi · · Score: 2

      Insurance rates are based on risk. Are you claiming that a car that is on the road all day long

      A car may be on the road all day long for many different reasons. It makes sense for annual mileage to affect the cost of insurance — indeed, it is already factored in usually.

      Singling out "commercial use" does not make sense.

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    13. Re:And in other news by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

      That's only for one limited elite class of taxi drivers, the London Black Cab driver.

      The exam you're referring to is called "The Knowledge". Minicab (pre-booked hire car) drivers in London do not need "The Knowledge", but driving a black cab has a certain cachet that means they can charge higher fares - you know you're getting a driver that knows his way around beyond the cold and unadorned data that a GPS navigator can provide. The privilege for this differentiation is that only licensed taxi drivers are allowed to pick up fares off the street - all other hire cars have to be booked through their controller.

      The main problem that folks like the Black Cab drivers have with Uber is that the technology makes booking an Uber essentially as immediate as raising your hand and yelling "Taxi!", which erodes a substantial part of their competitive advantage. But as you point out, the same technology also makes their principal unique selling point (being able to navigate London without embarrassing pauses to flick through an A-Z) rather less relevant as well.

    14. Re:And in other news by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      Rates are based primarily on number of miles driven which is already included in most insurance.
      I can see the rates being higher for someone who drives more (or possibly for someone who does
      more risky behavior if you can prove taxi driving is more risky) but there is no reason their
      COVERAGE should be required to be higher. If a motorist is only required to have 10k of coverage
      for hitting a pedestrian then why should a taxi be required to have more?

  2. What? by ottothecow · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It was more expensive than a taxi in NYC?

    Every other city I have used it in, UberX was at a fair discount to a regular taxi...after all, why would you hop a ride in some random person's car (whom you will have to provide with directions because they don't know the city) if it costs more than an actual taxi service? The only thing more expensive was the black car (limo) service.

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    1. Re:What? by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Informative

      It appears so.
      http://www.taxiautofare.com/us...

      I didn't know taxi fare in NYC was so reasonable. I guess there is more competition in NYC. They also make up for it in quantity. Many other places the taxis sit around waiting for fares much longer.

    2. Re:What? by bws111 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cab fares are regulated in NYC. Competition has nothing to do with it. http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/ht...

    3. Re:What? by ottothecow · · Score: 2
      Well...during peak hours, Uber X will go into surge pricing and cost far more than a taxi anyways.

      Usually when there is surge pricing, I just use Uber to hail a normal taxi (in cities where this is possible). With a normal taxi, you pay a small fee to Uber, but otherwise the rate is straight-meter. Of course, that still won't help if literally every taxi is full, but it gets you better odds than simply standing on a single street corner and waving your hand.

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    4. Re:What? by mjwx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cab fares are regulated in NYC. Competition has nothing to do with it.

      Shhh,

      If you listen carefully you can hear the Randian's heads pop.

      Everywhere I've travelled, the less regulated the taxi industry the more they take the piss and rip off customers. Thailand is a good example, in Bangkok taxis are cheap. From the Airport to the city centre is 400 Thai Baht + 70 Baht in tolls (approx 30 Baht == 1 USD), that's a distance of 35 KM and includes an airport fee. Taxi's are well regulated in Bangkok (its the same story in Singapore).

      In Phuket, a taxi wont even turn on the engine for less than 200 Baht, it's less than that to get into a taxi in Australia. Taxi's aren't regulated at all, they operate like a Mafia using violence against their competition, ripping off customers. They sit there all day turning down paying customers because they aren't paying enough. The local Phuket govt isn't interested in doing anything (since the recent coup in Thailand, I've heard the army has been attempting to clean the taxi mafia up).

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  3. Re:No thanks. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Enjoy using your million-dollar taxi medallion as a coaster from now on.

  4. Re:No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like the part where you think a medallion prevents any of that.

  5. One key clarification by jratcliffe · · Score: 4, Informative

    UberX in NYC is somewhat different from UberX in most markets. In NYC, UberX uses licensed livery cars and drivers (who have livery licenses, commercial insurance, etc), the same as Uber Black, etc., and the standard car service companies. The only difference between UberX and Uber Black in NYC is that UberX will have less nice cars (typically Camrys vs. Town Cars).

    This is very different from UberX in SF, LA, etc., where it's pretty much "got a car? got a license? congrats, you're an UberX driver!"

  6. Re:No thanks. by Shados · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is the only reason I use Uber (though I push it a notch and use Uber Black, even though its pretty expensive).

    When I need to take a cab at 4 AM to go to the middle of nowhere (I don't have a car, as I only need this like twice a year or something, not worth it), hailing a shady dirty taxi who'll bitch and moan about me asking to go somewhere unprofitable isn't exactly my preference.

    Uber (Black) has been doing quite nicely. Up the standard of normal taxis, even if you have to double the price, and I'll happily use them again.

  7. Uber astroturfing marches on... by smoothnorman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Where's the posting which shows that Uber, which is bank-rolled against the small time (typically immigrant) taxi owner, is now coupled with ALEC ("the notoriously evil American Legislative Exchange Council" aka Koch brothers)?: http://slog.thestranger.com/sl...

  8. laws about that by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    The FAA has some very clear and very strict laws about that. A private pilot can not charge for transporting passengers. The on;y exception to this is that a passenger can pay for, at most, their share of the cost of expenses such as gas. That means if a private pilot transports two other people, each can pay for up to 1/3 of the costs for gas and such but the pilot must pay for his own share. And those costs absolutely can not include things like annual or hourly maintenance costs. If you luck out and find a pilot already making the same trip (I did once) you can get a great deal and help defer some of his costs. But you're not going to see private pilots legally offering their services on any wide spread basis.

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  9. Re:immigrant taxi owner? by smoothnorman · · Score: 2

    They do in Seattle and SF and Chicago at least (often, but not always Sikhs). they started as drivers and now own a medallion. often they are paying off loans for it. and along comes Bezos backed Uber...

    the cities demanded that they buy them to do business. now some of these cities are negotiating with Uber. how does your trusting immigrant business owner feel now?

  10. But how many bodies can it fit? by rsborg · · Score: 2

    When I need to take a cab at 4 AM to go to the middle of nowhere (I don't have a car, as I only need this like twice a year or something, not worth it), hailing a shady dirty taxi who'll bitch and moan about me asking to go somewhere unprofitable isn't exactly my preference.

    I will take that recommendation, though I hear Uber SUV can fit more bodies in the rear. I wonder if heading over to Patterson incurs surge pricing? Will the driver help you unload your "luggage"?

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  11. Cab companies are not LLCs by SethJohnson · · Score: 2

    What difference does it make if it's an Uber driver or any other driver who paralyzes you?

    Difference being that Uber is sucking up around $213,000,000 per year by avoiding significant insurance coverages that their competitors are having to pay. They're offloading this chunk of the insurance burden on their 'independent contractors' who are not able to cover injuries like a $1 Billion / year revenue company can.

    What does it matter? It's the difference between being compensated properly for a life-changing injury caused by an 'independent contractor' working for Uber and suffering "tough luck" by getting zilch in compensation. Compensation is the deciding factor between institutionalized living or as normal-as-possible life for the remainder of your years.

    And if you think you can get lots of money out of taxi companies, think again: they are usually limited liability.

    That corporate structure doesn't work the way you think it does. An LLC is created so it can implode in the face of a liability claim and protect the owners. If Yellow Cab were operating as an LLC, they would have dissolved after the first accident by one of their cabs.

    Instead, in the big cities like New York and Chicago, the cab companies are trying to shield themselves from liability in the same way as Uber-- the drivers are independent contractors.