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Microsoft Kills Off MapPoint and Streets and Trips In Favor of Bing Maps

DroidJason1 (3589319) writes Microsoft has killed off two of its mapping products, MapPoint and Streets & Trips. Both of these services have received their last update and will soon be retired in favor of Microsoft's premier mapping product, Bing Maps. The company has yet to go public with a press release announcing the retirement of these two mapping services, but the Redmond giant has quietly mentioned the fate on both the services' websites. MapPoint was first released back in 1999 and made it easier to view, edit, and integrate maps into software. Streets & Trips was a route planning package. Microsoft is now pushing Bing Maps exclusively.

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  1. Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by jkrise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You never know when they will get killed. Same goes for Free Sharepoint, Free Office 365, Free One Drive etc. Get off them and breathe free.

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    1. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      Same goes for commercial offerings - you never know when they get killed.

      I have yet to see anyone really using the map services Microsoft offers as primary source.

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    2. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do keep paper maps as backups. They have the added benefit of not needing batteries.

    3. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I knew of Streets and Trips from way back when - it was one of the earliest available GPS packages that almost featured turn-by-turn.

      Way back when GPS was horrendously expensive.

      I didn't even know they still sold it - I suppose its advantage was it was offline and had everything or so in one box.

      Guess that's why they killed it - people remember it, but didn't realize it was still around - you certainly don't see it advertised anywhere.

    4. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you fucking kidding me? I've have seen WAY more open source projects just wither away and die than I have any software, commercial or freeware, backed by an actual company. Just having access to the source code doesn't mean a thing.

    5. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      He wasn't talking about source code. He was speaking about free (gratis, not libre) offers delivered by a commercial company.

    6. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Informative

      The question is how many people actually know how to read a paper map these days. I'll be it's damned few since they don't even teach it in school anymore, let alone how to use a compass.

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    7. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

      HERE Maps (by Nokia) also work offline, at least on Win8 and WP8.

    8. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Open source projects don't get killed. They may die, but they never get killed.

    9. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by peragrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually last I looked my mothers job used it. it integrated into the rest of their software package so that addresses and route planning could be done easy.

      Not sure if they currently can use it but since bing maps like google maps requires internet connections probably not. Not every where they travel have 2G service let alone 3G.

      What gets me is why doesn't google or bing maps have an offline mode?Cache a couple of states or even just counties.

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    10. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by NJRoadfan · · Score: 2

      aka, NAVTEQ maps. At one point just about every online map provider was using their data, but have since moved away (Mapquest went to TomTom/Teleatlas and Google went in-house).

    11. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by Bigbutt · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have the 2004 version of Streets and Trips. I use it for mapping my motorcycle rides. Unlike google maps, I can set where I spend the night, start and stop times, how much gas cost, how often to stop, and even set weights for various aspects of my trips so it'll pick the optimum route for what I want to do (for instance, Beartooth Pass).

      And yea, I thought they stopped making it years ago. I'll have to snag the newest version. My 2004 version has worked just fine since I got it.

      [John]

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    12. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by Bigbutt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They taught map reading in school? How to read a compass? When/where was this? I learned it in Boy Scouts.

      Fortunately us Touring motorcycle riders tend to use paper maps. Unfortunately paper maps are difficult to come by. You have to be a member of AAA to get access to decent maps. Otherwise you're stuck with the Rest Area state maps. Not horrible, I've used them occasionally but they are pretty cheaply printed. Opening the map has it tear at the creases.

      [John]

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    13. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by tresstatus · · Score: 2

      Actually last I looked my mothers job used it. it integrated into the rest of their software package so that addresses and route planning could be done easy.

      Not sure if they currently can use it but since bing maps like google maps requires internet connections probably not. Not every where they travel have 2G service let alone 3G.

      What gets me is why doesn't google or bing maps have an offline mode?Cache a couple of states or even just counties.

      they do... https://support.google.com/gmm...

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    14. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually Streets and Trips has a lot of features that Google maps and I bet Bing maps lack for trip planning.
      For example you can tell it when you are going to leave, your MPG, fuel tank size, and how many hours you want to drive a day. Streets and Trips will suggest refueling points and stopping points.
      I wish the online maps "Google" would put those features in and allow you to push the trip to your mobile device.

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    15. Re: Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2

      Yeah, no kidding. I couldn't get At&t to provide me with online access to my at&t dsl account yesterday without an activation code that could only be spoken over the specific landline attached to the account or physically mailed to the billing address. A reminent of their ameritech takeover, those dsl accounts aren't actually in their system, but an older one that they can't make many changes to.

      Do not expect companies to support older systems, especially when they've stated that they will not support them.

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    16. Re:Problem with proprietary 'free' offerings by CODiNE · · Score: 3, Informative

      Surprised at all the responses with no mention of OpenStreetMap.

      Unlimited data download in various formats. Convert to Garmin/Tom Tom/whatever if you like and have custom GPS maps. Print PDF maps, wall maps, tour books, etc... Plenty of mobile apps to download entire cities and even countries with no time limits.

      The key point to remember is that OpenStreetMap is open DATA and there's hundreds of apps and projects built around it letting you do just about anything you can think of. Including several routing APIs and services.

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  2. I'm always amazed MS blew the mapping race by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 5, Interesting

    when they had Microsoft TerraServer running on those sweet DEC Alpha's back in 1998. Instead of launching a new and exciting mapping service, they just settled for a minor showcase for SQL Server 7 with a database greater than 1TB.

    Talk about a company with zero vision.

    1. Re:I'm always amazed MS blew the mapping race by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because upper management there is only concerned with a project long enough to use it to jump to the next bigger project. And, bigger is not defined as more important. It's a project with more employees. When I jumped to Expedia very early in that company's history, it was a pleasure to work there. Importance of a project was based upon the number of customers and/or profit. The goal of making a good product and attracting and keeping customers was pounded into us constantly. At Microsoft, making a profit or making customers happy was never a goal of upper management. I never once heard any feedback from customers. At Expedia, we did constant A/B tests and were told exactly what worked and what didn't. That's how you make a better product.

    2. Re:I'm always amazed MS blew the mapping race by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What really bothers me about carbon based lifeforms such as yourself is not the fact you're a racist idiot but rather the feelings you bring out in me. When I first read your hateful, pointless spew I immediately thought of how to hunt down and kill you to cull your DNA from the herd. I then felt shame for sinking down into the muck with you. Off to take a shower to get the slimy stench off me.

    3. Re:I'm always amazed MS blew the mapping race by callmetheraven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bing maps is a ghost town, and rightfully so
      I can get embed a LOT of google maps services (actually from two different google map services) for free, with plenty of neat features, and a JavaScript library of extras provided free from Google. OR
      I can go to Bing Maps and get NOTHING free, yes that's right FUCK ALL nothing. I can sign up for their expensive service and get their half-assed maps. Fuck Bing maps and their pathetic service, they are an almost-ran and will never be more.

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  3. Dang. What's next, Encarta? by jpellino · · Score: 2

    Oh. Wait.

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  4. My mom relies on S&T. by Chas · · Score: 2

    She's not going to be happy about this. Not at all.

    Bing maps isn't even a poor second to S&T for route planning. Not even an "also ran".

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  5. And, probaly, nothing of value was lost. by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I for one had never even heard of these products, and I don't think I've ever encountered a web site using it. All I see is Google Maps when sites need to do something with mapping.

    1. Re:And, probaly, nothing of value was lost. by Voyager529 · · Score: 3

      I for one had never even heard of these products, and I don't think I've ever encountered a web site using it. All I see is Google Maps when sites need to do something with mapping.

      Well, duh. MapPoint and S&T was a plastic-disc software title, intended for end users to do stuff without an internet connection. See kids, in the days between the joys of attempting to re-fold a paper map and always-on, always-connected internet streamed maps, companies got all the street information together and sold a software release in a perpetual licensing format. People could then take their laptops and a serial (later USB and/or Bluetooth) GPS add-on and navigate with a laptop, without worrying about data plans, cellular outages, or getting stuck on a necessary phone call that brought into question one's allegiance to accurate navigation.

      In the case of MapPoint, routes and distances were mass queried and used in tandem with Access and Excel to make geographical and topological data useful in a business context.

      Websites are going to use Google maps (or yahoo/mapquest/bing, to a much lesser extent) because their APIs allow embedded maps nice and easily. For folks who need offline information, Google Maps was never intended to fill that space. Now, it seems, Delorme is the sole holdout for plastic disc mapping software.

  6. Re:Dang. What's next, Encarta? by jpellino · · Score: 2

    Still use "Dinosaurs". Kids make "life size" dinos or parts by using those diagrams with the scale human and blow them up on a projector to trace on huge art paper and paint / color / decorate. Tough finding a fridge big enough to put them on at home with the rest of the classroom art.

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  7. I Use Streets and Trips on RV Trips by C0L0PH0N · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am a retired computer guy, and an RVer. I've used Streets and Trips for the past three years, and have found it invaluable for RV travelling. What makes Streets and Trips work so well for travelers is that it is always there, whether you have Internet or not. And my experience even with a smart phone and hotspot capabilities, is that travellers do not always have access to the Internet. Which renders MS's "Bing" solution useless. And Streets and Trips on my laptop is connected to a printer, so printing out strip maps for the next day is easy. It makes it easy to create long trips, stop by stop, and save the whole route. I'm talking about several months and 10,000 miles of traveling here. I've tried using Google and Bing maps, but actually, the closest trip planning tool I've found that provides for long range planning and in any detail I want is actually Google Earth. But until Streets and Trips is dead, I will be using it. And it sounds like it should work for the next several years.

    1. Re:I Use Streets and Trips on RV Trips by 91degrees · · Score: 2

      I think the problem is that they can't compete with the dedicated units. Garmins and Tomtoms are fairly cheap and fit nicely on the dashboard, and even they're losing market share (or redirecting their business) to built-in systems.

    2. Re:I Use Streets and Trips on RV Trips by swb · · Score: 2

      I won't knock what you're doing but I'm curious what you get out of it that you couldn't get out of a Rand McNally trucker's road atlas and a dedicated GPS.

      The dedicated GPS would give you turn-turn directions without any data service and the atlas would give you decent printed maps for most highway planning.

      As kids in the 70s we covered most of the Deep South and Eastern Seaboard in an RV with just a paper map. I don't remember us getting lost and we sure seemed to spend a lot of time off the beaten path.

      I suppose the trip planning part would be OK if you were really compulsive about it, but it seems like a lot of work.

    3. Re:I Use Streets and Trips on RV Trips by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      There's a handful of offline GPS packages for PC, Delorme has one, Garmin used to have one but they still have two nav apps for iOS and Android that have offline map support (one exclusively, one with caching.)

      Streets and Trips will still work until the roads are too different from it to be useful any more, or you can't get it to run on some version of Windows any more. But it will become steadily less useful. I've bought S&T before, and it was outdated when I got it.

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  8. Re:Dang. What's next, Encarta? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    You know what was a really good Microsoft offering, for its time? Microsoft Dinosaurs. And I liked Encarta as well.

    Microsoft Dangerous Creatures for the life! Indeed, in general those multimedia CD-ROMs produced by Microsoft were very well executed.

  9. Re:What MS needs to do is by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only if Google stop making their map crapper.

    They still use the wrong colours for UK roads. Orange, orange and yellow-orange is not a good colour scheme.

    The new map interace is slow. I can't just click a "from" and a "to". I have to find the place I want to go.

  10. Re:Microsoft can't innovate by Tough+Love · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft has been very succesful in their attempts to innovate, once you realize that Microsoft has its own private dictionary, and in that dictionary the definition of "innovate" is "extinguish".

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  11. Re:Microsoft can't innovate by 91degrees · · Score: 2

    Well, they came up with the XBox, and established online gaming as a serious thing. The Zune HD was apparently really good, but nobody bought it. MS came up with a completely new UI. Everyone complained and bitched because they removed the "start" menu (which incidentally was another MS innovation).

    So they do innovate, but slashdotters ignore it or hate them for it.

  12. Re:What MS needs to do is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Damn right about Google. Their maps' legibility have fallen dramatically since their last iteration. When I open my local area, the names of roads, lanes, paths, woods, ponds and lots of other cartographic noise are visible, but whole towns and villages are missing. Only one or two villages are visible out of the 20-30 in the area and these are in a lighter font than the damn 10 hectare wood/pond/back-lane next to it. On top of this, odd places are highlighted (far more prominent) even when logged out. I've no idea why the name of a farm business 5 miles away is more important than the 3 000 people living anonymously in the unlabelled village next to it.

  13. Garmin for the win by SternisheFan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I drive a cab in the metro NY City area, a dedicated GPS is the right tool for my job. GARMIN MV3590 LMT (Lifetime Maps/Traffic) is my reccomendation. I have no time to screw around with online maps and their inherent issues, I need to get where my fares need to be. AA quality, updated GPS does this.

    Crack open your wallet and spend $300 on this Garmin and you'll have noticed you have less problems, and the voice recognition software gets it right over 90% of the time.

  14. Re:One might say by quetwo · · Score: 2

    Mappoint did a lot more than Bing does... And the VPs who think Bing is the answer have no idea.

    Mappoint is closer to ArcGIS than it is a consumer mapping applications. It had an extensive set of APIs that you could allow apps to push data onto maps, it allowed statistical queries and it allowed complex boundaries. etc... all back in 2004. Heck, they even had some traffic data built in for their analysis.

    I remember when Verizon used on-site Mappoint servers to allow dispatchers to use Verizon phones as tacklers (this was before smartphones), so dispatchers could see where certain trucks were, directions they were going, etc.

  15. 1. Area too large; 2. Expires in 30 days by tepples · · Score: 2

    I tried those instructions. First, I couldn't even download my entire county;* the error message was "Area too large, zoom in". Second, after I did manage to zoom in on a neighborhood, the resulting map said "Expires in 30 days".

    * I said "county" and meant "county", not "country".