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After NSA Spying Flap, Germany Asks CIA Station Chief to Depart
The Washington Post reports that Gemany's government has asked the CIA station chief in that country to leave. From the article, which points out the move comes after several high-profile instances of U.S. spying on German citiens, including Chancellor Angela Merkl:. "A day earlier, federal prosecutors in Germany said police had searched the office and apartment of an individual with ties to the German military who is suspected of working for U.S. intelligence. Those raids followed the arrest of an employee of Germany’s foreign intelligence service who was accused of selling secrets to the CIA. ... For years, Germany has sought to be included in a group of countries with which the United States has a non-espionage pact. Those nations include Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
The Obama administration and that of George W. Bush both resisted such entreaties, in part because many U.S. intelligence officials believe that there are too many areas where German and U.S. security interests diverge."
And yet their own intelligence agencies have no issue with sharing and working with the NSA.
http://www.spiegel.de/internat...
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http://rt.com/news/germany-nsa...
Germany's government was perfectly fine with the NSA's surveillance until they found out they were being spied on too. It's faux outrage meant to deflect people's attention from them being in bed with the NSA for years.
It's never about the moral high-ground. It's always about diplomatic leverage.
This excludes actions by populist elected bodies or particularly fickle monarchs. But in general if one nation is doing something to another nation, it's maneuvering by state and intelligence departments.
Actually, Germany has a problem with spying on their own citizens, as this was declared illegal by the European Court of Justice.
Actually, it's the German population which has a problem with being spied on. And they were pressuring the government again and again no longer to tolerate it. Being spied on is an issue that has grown in importance within one year that now the German government has to fear to lose the next elections if they don't do anything about it. And that's exactly how it is supposed to work.
Germany is not an occupied state, since the end of the 4+2 talks which was 25 years ago. Continuing to claim so doesn't make it true.
Without generating some type of comparison chart, I Googled multiple variations of who spies on who. Spies caught, spy agencies....etc.
And the winner of my informal who spies upon whom poll......Somalia! With no official Government they have no official spy agency.
Don't want to be spied on by your government you live under, this appears to be the place.
it seems that every modern country has been caught in some capacity.
(This was not a thorough nor proper search, just an hour of casual searching, so I know someone will come up criticizing this, finding counter examples, etc. So I say this is opinion based upon limited data and subject to change with refinement of data.)
As always, the easy target is the one who got outed. But Germany whining about spying? Now that's giggle worthy.
I don't like what the alphabet soup agencies (ANY of them, regardless of country of origin) do either. But this just seems like mock outrage to me. Just like Diane Fienstien who supports NSA spying getting bent when she found out she was targeted as well.
When you sleep with cobras, you're likely to get bitten.
Donald Trump, on a crusade to make Nixon look respectable
This is true for most of Western Europe, I would say. I'm not sure if it is actually reasonable, but very explicit nationalism still triggers memories of certain regrettable events in our not-that-distant past. I don't think I am exaggerating when I say many Europeans find the amount of flag-waving and anthem-singing that's on display in the US frankly shocking.
Gosh, thanks. That must be why the other ships call me Meatfucker -- GCU Grey Area (Eccentric)