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FCC Approves Plan To Spend $5B Over Next Five Years On School Wi-Fi

itwbennett writes: The Federal Communications Commission, in a 3-2 party-line vote Friday, approved a plan to revamp the 17-year-old E-Rate program, which pays for telecom services for schools and libraries, by phasing out funding for voice service, Web hosting and paging services, and redirecting money to Wi-Fi. FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler had proposed a $5 billion budget for Wi-Fi, but Republican commissioners and some lawmakers had questioned where the money would come from. Still, the E-Rate revamp (PDF) approved Friday contemplates a $1 billion-a-year target for Wi-Fi projects "year after year," Wheeler said.

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  1. How about 5BN... by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about 5BN to turn off WiFi at schools, make kids and teachers alike actually log off Facebook for the two or three actual hours of education they get a day?

    1. Re:How about 5BN... by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Funny

      But... how will the kiddies learn about one-click buying?

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    2. Re:How about 5BN... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, there's a variety of lesson plans and administrative tools used in education that can benefit from better connectivity.

      Such as?

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    3. Re:How about 5BN... by RingDev · · Score: 2

      How to circumvent router level blocking of Facebook?

      -Rick

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    4. Re:How about 5BN... by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      I'd like to believe that education benefits from technology - and it might benefit from things like open source ebooks - but making sure the classroom has wireless is a poor substitute for a teacher actually teaching, parents being involved with their kids (not on their own tablets), and kids "bravely" unplugging for a few hours a day to focus on learning.

      Schools today babysit students for the state mandatory minimum hours before releasing them to the debt-prison that is college. :/

      Yes, I'm jaded. :/

    5. Re:How about 5BN... by Trillan · · Score: 1

      Attendance and evaluation are done directly into the SIS in most cases now. The biggest systems are web only, in fact. Many schools are tracking attendance by the minute to maximize their funding. Data is available to principals via their browser (or pushed in some cases) so they're aware of what's going on in their schools. Tracking of performance can be done across skills now, giving a much better picture of what the student needs help in rather than just "C-."

      I'll admit I don't work on the lesson plans much, though I'm certainly aware a lot is going on.

      This isn't 1952. Technology can help.

    6. Re:How about 5BN... by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      so the routers in are a room that is easy to get to and in place where you can go up to one stat messing with it with no one to ask what you are doing?

    7. Re:How about 5BN... by augahyde · · Score: 1

      For enhancing basic education, schools frequently use sites such as edmodo.com, quizlet.com, studyisland.com, brainpop.com, and others. Schools can also look to save money on licensing by using sites like Google Docs/Drive, Prezi, and others.

  2. how 'bout by djupedal · · Score: 1

    Cell towers in the middle of every playground for wi-max?

    1. Re:how 'bout by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      playground? we had to get rid of recess due to NCLB

  3. Provide money and guidance by Dareth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Provide money and guidance to the local school systems then let them buy the approved technology they need rather than what is dictated to them. Why is WiFi better or more important than web hosting? What if a school already has good WiFi but needs devices to make use of that network? Sounds like the "phasing out" process is more like "last call" at a bar and tells people to get those services from E-Rate now whether they need it or not cause soon the trough will only be feeding you WiFi. Guidance on good economic solutions for school technology needs and funding is what the school systems need. But hey keep on shoveling "one size fits all" technology into the schools. It keeps the vendors happy even if it doesn't help the schools or children all that much.

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    1. Re:Provide money and guidance by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Provide money and guidance to the local school systems then let them buy the approved technology they need rather than what is dictated to them.

      Because then all the money will go to the assistant principal's brother-in-law.

      That's what oversight is supposed to be for... and if wishes were horses...

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    2. Re:Provide money and guidance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      let them buy the approved technology they need

      What if they don't need any technology, but instead need a new set of monkey bars for the playground?

    3. Re:Provide money and guidance by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Provide money and guidance to the local school systems then let them buy the approved technology they need rather than what is dictated to them

      I've got a different take on the matter. As far as I know, the federal government exerts control over public education by taking money away from the states via taxation, and then only returning it if the states will teach in the manner seen fit by the Dept. of Education.

      I.e., they use the ability of the federal government to tax anything and everything to circumvent the limitations on the powers of the federal government.

      So in contrast to your solution, I'd suggest the federal government just taxes the states' citizens less, and let the states figure it out if they want to. Problem solved.

    4. Re:Provide money and guidance by JasoninKS · · Score: 1

      I preface my answer by saying that I have worked in a K-12 school district as the lone IT guy.

      The most honest answer I have (unfortunately) to your question is: "tough sh**". Too often, school funding comes with so many flipping strings attached it's sickening.

      i.e. "We can't afford to fix the AC because that budget is dry, but the XYZ funding is overflowing, even though we don't need new XYZ this year. But we're not allowed to move money from the XYZ fund to the maintenance fund due to funding rules. But if we don't spend the XYZ money the state may not even give us that money next year, so we'll blow the money on XYZ anyway because we have little choice"

    5. Re:Provide money and guidance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Too often, school funding comes with so many flipping strings attached it's sickening.

      An obvious solution would be to consolidate all federal education spending in a single department (maybe this would be a good job for The Department of Education). Then all the other departments can go back to doing their jobs. Why the hell is the FCC sticking its nose into school spending? Nonsense like this is why we have a $17 trillion national debt.

  4. How about 5BN... by Trillan · · Score: 2

    Facebook can be pretty easily blocked at the router level. On the other hand, there's a variety of lesson plans and administrative tools used in education that can benefit from better connectivity.

  5. Re:Wi-FI does not make people smart. by Don+Faulkner · · Score: 1

    But that would turn them into terrorists hackers, and we can't have that.

  6. Who paid for this policy? by kalayq · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the question is, who will earn a large part of that $1B/year? What "partner" is ready to facilitate this mass wi-fi rollout?

    1. Re:Who paid for this policy? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      The same companies that installed closed circuit TV so the kiddies can watch infomercials all day.

  7. Contracting here I come! by dave562 · · Score: 1

    I am tired of solving virtualization challenges and figuring out how manage petabytes of data. I'm going to take the next couple of years off and setup a consulting company installing WAPs in schools. That is obviously where the money is at....

  8. Why is the FCC involved? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    Building wide WiFi is not something the FCC really regulates. They put some standards on manufacturers to comply with but beyond that there is no interaction at the user level.

    Furthermore, providing wifi is a state or city matter not a federal matter.

    IF the FCC wants to help they can break up these monopolies and stop them from engaging in non-competitive behavior.

    Otherwise the FCC can just go fuck themselves with a chainsaw.

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    1. Re:Why is the FCC involved? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Every bureaucracy tries to expand itself, you know that. Rather than actually get the bandwidth to schools that they need (200Kbps per student or so, ballpark) to support real telelearning, which is hard to do (but arguably within FCC purview), especially given the extensive number of rural schools, they lean towards something easy - buying access points, to hook up to their too-slow Internet link because every agency has to be seen "doing something".

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    2. Re:Why is the FCC involved? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      which just tells you how poorly the federal government... especially the executive is being run these days...

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    3. Re:Why is the FCC involved? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Building wide WiFi is not something the FCC really regulates. They put some standards on manufacturers to comply with but beyond that there is no interaction at the user level.

      Because they manage the fees paid for telecommunication services to be provided to areas where it's less profitable but necessary.

      The thing is, the Internet is real. And the modern day student NEEDS access to the internet. But an alarming number of them only get access to it via the "free" hotspots at McDonalds and such - and kids needing to do homework, that's an issue. I mean, you'd think they'd go to the library to do their work and use their wifi, but no, they close at 6pm, so they move to the local McD's because they have WiFi for free.

      The parents can afford a computer (they're not THAT expensive these days). but can't afford internet access, so instead of kids having to trudge through the city seeking free internet, why not provide funding for schools and libraries to offer it up so kids can use it.

      Sure, it works fine in the city, but when you're out in the boonies, well, wifi may be least of a town's concern and the kids just have to find a local hotspot. Having it be their library and school, can only help matters

  9. This weeks password is... by kuhnto · · Score: 1

    Pencil

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  10. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    Actually, Wi-Fi is cheaper at delivering Internet access to teacher and lab computers than wired connections. While slower, there is only a need for one PoE port to cover many computers. For schools with older wiring, this is probably a more cost effective methods of providing that access.

    It's been true for hotels. Although this at first seems counterintuitive, for awhile, newer hotels, which had been built with Cat 5 to the room, had wired internet but no wireless, while older hotels, who couldn't retrofit wired but *could* put in access points, had wireless but no wired. Now pretty much everyone has wireless. In the near future, you may be able to guess within a few years when a hotel was built by whether or not there's a RJ45 socket in the wall.

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  11. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    wifi for a large population say 600+ for a high school is going to be far more costly than a structured cabling roll out which is only $25/30$ per port

  12. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by jbengt · · Score: 1

    Not if you're installing the wiring in a school built in the 20's with masonry walls, no dropped ceilings, and flat arch clay tile floors.

  13. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Not if you're installing the wiring in a school built in the 20's with masonry walls, no dropped ceilings, and flat arch clay tile floors.

    Yes, exactly. Case in point, my daughter's arts and communications school (6 through 12) is a very old grade school (still has steam heat) that was repurposed as a charter school, and to wire the school for internet would require tearing so much down that it would have to be rebuilt anyway.

    The thing about wifi is that it can be retrofitted with very little construction. In an older building, this matters.

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  14. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    wifi for a large population say 600+ for a high school is going to be far more costly than a structured cabling roll out which is only $25/30$ per port

    Depends on the building. Consider that many schools were built long before anyone thought you'd need to run wires for some new purpose that nobody had thought of at the time of construction.

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  15. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    You still have to run wires for Wi-Fi for poe Ethernet to connect the AP's to the Ethernet network - in the case you cant put the wires in the ceiling or floor the you will have to add trunking. Using trunking might be better less chance of finding asbestos in the roof spaces as a mate of mine found in one of our local schools.

  16. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    well you need to run cables for a large wifi installation - could they not just put trunking along the walls?

  17. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    unfortunately you need to run cables to the access points. Wifi for large numbers is not the same as just plonking a single access point next to your phone/cable socket.

  18. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    unfortunately you need to run cables to the access points. Wifi for large numbers is not the same as just plonking a single access point next to your phone/cable socket.

    It's a matter of numbers. Enterprise grade wifi access points can support up to 200 users. A single hard wired connection is typically single user. (You could expand with switches, but then you've got exposed equipment and wires and are essentially making the teacher act as network administrator.)

    With a physical wire difference of 200:1, wiring access points is a lot less intrusive.

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  19. Re:Wi-Fi Is Less Expensive by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    er not what the wireless CCNA says they quote 10 hosts per AP as a rule of thumb for wifi deployments