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German NSA Committee May Turn To Typewriters To Stop Leaks

mpicpp (3454017) writes with news that Germany may be joining Russia in a paranoid switch from computers to typewriters for sensitive documents. From the article: Patrick Sensburg, chairman of the German parliament's National Security Agency investigative committee, now says he's considering expanding the use of manual typewriters to carry out his group's work. ... Sensburg said that the committee is taking its operational security very seriously. "In fact, we already have [a typewriter], and it's even a non-electronic typewriter," he said. If Sensburg's suggestion takes flight, the country would be taking a page out of the Russian playbook. Last year, the agency in charge of securing communications from the Kremlin announced that it wanted to spend 486,000 rubles (about $14,800) to buy 20 electric typewriters as a way to avoid digital leaks.

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  1. So what? they can be tapped to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My father used to work for the NSA as a cryptologic studies teacher and told me stories about how back in the 70s they had tech that could read back what was being typed simply by listening to the pattern of the clicks the type writer was making.

    1. Re:So what? they can be tapped to. by jonwil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is that its a lot harder for the NSA to get a microphone into the office of a German agency (and a lot worse for international relations if the NSA did it and the Germans found out) than it is for the NSA to hack into the computers at a German agency from a computer room at Ft Meade.

    2. Re:So what? they can be tapped to. by mjwalshe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The KGB have used Romeo spies to seduce the secretaries before now - one poor woman killed her self when she found out - the "Americans" series has this as a plot point.

    3. Re:So what? they can be tapped to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is that its a lot harder for the NSA to get a microphone into the office of a German agency

      Only if they make sure everyone leaves their cell phones out the door.

    4. Re:So what? they can be tapped to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Smart phones can record and upload later.

    5. Re: So what? they can be tapped to. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've heard that a quill made of goose feathers is very soft and makes hardly any noise when writing...

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    6. Re:So what? they can be tapped to. by fazig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Social Engineering.
      Certainly, it's not as cost effective as other methods and requires elaborate planning. But no matter the technological level of advancement this has been, and most likely will continue to be, a very serious security threat. Simply because it targets a vulnerability that will be very hard to fix - our social, human nature.

    7. Re:So what? they can be tapped to. by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Informative

      Re the human factor.
      Thats a huge risk in Germany. Generations of post ww2 Germans know nothing but helping the NSA and GCHQ over their decades in every level of the West and later German bureaucracies.
      The men and woman who helped the UK and USA post 1950's would have chosen like minded staff to work with them or replace them.
      Thats the entire upper structures of vital German security lost to 5+ other Five Eyes countries by default over decades.
      Then you have the tame German political leaders watched, dropped, advanced thanks to insider help.
      The East Germans got some staff next to generations of top West German political leaders or top NATO staff.
      The US and UK got all the communication networks of West Germany and then Germany with the help of cleared Germans.

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    8. Re:So what? they can be tapped to. by StripedCow · · Score: 4, Funny

      My father used to work for the NSA as a cryptologic studies teacher and told me stories about how back in the 70s they had tech that could read back what was being typed simply by listening to the pattern of the clicks the type writer was making.

      Perhaps you can ask your father what this man was typing:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    9. Re:So what? they can be tapped to. by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You laugh, but it just goes to show that you have no idea what kind of trouble we are having in integrating Internet Explorer with that project.

    10. Re:So what? they can be tapped to. by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Social Engineering.
        Certainly, it's not as cost effective as other methods and requires elaborate planning. But no matter the technological level of advancement this has been, and most likely will continue to be, a very serious security threat. Simply because it targets a vulnerability that will be very hard to fix - our social, human nature.

      Not cost effective? You're kidding right?

      Even Windows is more secure than humans. Modern viruses and Trojans are relying on social engineering to get themselves installed all the time because it's easier and cheaper to do so than to try to sniff a vulnerability out and shell code your way in.

      Hell, we used to joke about the "honor system virus" (where it asks you to do the destruction and send it to 10 of your contacts). Truth be told, it actually is kind of successful these days.

      There are still elaborate attacks, but social engineering remains one of the cheapest, most effective ways to get through any security measure.

  2. foolproof by chentiangemalc · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a great security initiative! Everybody should do this. Considering it is impossible to electronically monitor what is typed on a manual type writer, and certainly it would be near impossible to copy the manually typed paper with today's technology.

    1. Re:foolproof by joh · · Score: 4, Funny

      It would also significantly cut down Slashdot comments if they had to be typed on paper and mailed.

    2. Re:foolproof by some+old+guy · · Score: 5, Funny

      True, but it would make "first post" a lovely double entendre.

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  3. Re:New Snowden by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

    5 reams of carbon copy paper contains much less information than a single USB stick.
    This is security by volume.

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  4. Re:Alternative strategy: by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even if the computers have no network connectivity, their screens and keystrokes may spied on through a Tempest attack by an adversary in the vicinity. Buying typewriters may be cheaper than Tempest shielding.

  5. GCHQ and the NSA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Working together to return the world back to the stone age!

  6. I enthusiastically approve by petrus4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I salute the German government in adopting this measure, quite seriously. I am migrating to virtualised NetBSD/amd64 myself, and aside from using pkgsrc in order to install Xorg, am probably going to rely on manual installation of packages in named directories in either /usr/local or /opt.

    I fully believe that maximising simplicity, to the point of adopting seemingly primitive solutions, is the most effective means of maintaining reliability and security. There truly is no school like the old school. Others can call me a Luddite if they wish, but that is a title that I will wear with pride.

  7. The one thing to take away from this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Turning to typewriters is of course ridiculous blind activism, but there is one thing to take away from this: The mere possibility that someone is spying on them has made them uneasy about using normal and efficient tools and made them turn to antiquated tools instead which still won't protect them. Perhaps now they understand why blanket observation of the entire population is completely unacceptable.

  8. Get a doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get a doctor to write memos with a pen. Completely indecipherable.

  9. The problem is.... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once they are done typing the documents they will have a secretary scan them and sent via email....

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  10. Listening to keystrokes + HMM = Profit! by Theovon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Passwords have been stolen just by listening to keyboard click noises. Why could a typewriter be any different? A relatively straightforward codebook analysis of keypress noises plus a hidden markov model plus a Viterbi algorithm will allow you calculate the highest probability sequence of letters for a given sequence of sounds and timings between sounds even in German!

    Mind you, they have to be able to get a sound bug in there, but that might be malware-infected computers nearby the typewriters.

    Anyhow, basically, the technology used to do automatic speech recognition would make short work of tapping typewriters, so they’re fooling themselves if they think this’ll make much difference.

    BTW, I have a strong suspicion that the Germans’ outrage is all a big charade. Every major country has big spy operations. The NSA is neither unique nor the first of its kind. The Germans could not have been ignorant of at least the general nature NSA’s dealings before Snowden, so while they openly object, secretly, this is business as usual. By doing this, they fool their people into thinking they’re not being spied on by their own government and, using the US as a scapegoat, they also generate a degree of solidarity. Russians spy operations, of course, are way worse, so their objections are the same bullshit. And the Chinese government is all about lying to, well, basically everyone while they use both capitalism and cyberwarfare to take over the world and control everyone, so their recent statement about the iPhone is also a crock of shit.

    This reminds me of Andrew Cuomo’s push to restore trust in government. The whole idea is disingenuous. Governments, like any large organization, are only going to do what the people need only with checks & balances and transparency.

    And as a final note, I believe that the stated purpose of the NSA is a good one: Mine publically available data to identify terrorist activity. That sounds like a good thing to do. It’s the illegal violations of privacy that are wrong. They violate our rights because it’s inconvenient to get the info they need some other way. It’s also inconvenient for me to work a regular job instead of selling drugs. There are much more convenient ways to achieve my goals that I avoid because they are wrong. To do their job, the NSA needs to find clever ways to acquire the information they need WITHIN THE LAW.

  11. Re:Don't forget to burn the ribbon by whitis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Typewriters make many copies
          - The paper copies
        - all the drafts you have to redo.
          - the ribbon, especially film ribbons which often make a nearly perfect unencrypted ticker tape copy
          - the carbon paper between sheets
          - the impression on the platten
          - The unique accoustic signature of each key
          - the electrical signature on an electrical typewriter which is radiated through the air and power line.

    In addtion, sensors can easily be put in the typewriter and some typewriters have electronics that can be tapped into. Documents are stored in the filing cabinet unencypted and any copy logging has to be done manually. The typewriter doesn't log when someone accesses a document or types up a copy. It dowsn't lock automatically when you walk away from your desk. To make up for the lost efficiency, entire armies of near minimum wage typists and filing clerks (two legged security holes) will be needed.

  12. Re:Its a step in "rightish" direction by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Totally alien networking protocols. Stuff so different that nothing else on earth can interface with it or even knows how it works.

    Like.. um.. Novell Netware on ARCnet? :D

  13. Security requires availability! by bbasgen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The core components of information security are often misunderstood. The triad of confidentiality, integrity and availability are important to consider. There is a symbiosis between these three components. For example, if confidentiality and availability is highly restrictive, can we really be confident in the integrity of the data with so few people who have such limited access?

    The old adage, being so tragically expressed here in real world terms, that the only "secure" computer is locked in a vault at the bottom of an ocean belies the very nature of security. For data to be useful and meaningful, it must be accessible to the people who need it when they need it. Failure to properly deliver accessibility will consequently build pressure on confidentiality (e.g. it will be shared inappropriately) and/or data integrity (e.g. the data will grow stale/irrelevant/etc).

    A typewriter is a medieval instrument for data security. Because they have rockets, they might as well start building castle walls. They are, in essence and by design, surrendering. Sun Tzu would be proud of such an adversary that could create this result. Masterful.