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X.Org Server 1.16 Brings XWayland, GLAMOR, Systemd Integration
An anonymous reader writes The much anticipated Xorg Server 1.16 release is now available. The X.Org "Marionberry Pie" release features XWayland integration, GLAMOR support, systemd support, and many other features. XWayland support allows for legacy X11 support in Wayland environments via GL acceleration, GLAMOR provides generic 2D acceleration, non-PCI GPU device improvements, and countless other changes.
The systemd integration finally allows the X server to run without root privileges, something in the works for a very long time. The non-PCI device improvements mean System-on-a-Chip graphics will work more smoothly, auto-enumerating just like PCI graphics devices do. As covered previously, GLAMOR (the pure OpenGL acceleration backend) has seen quite a bit of improvement, and now works with Xephyr and XWayland.
there will be no usable X, at least not from X.org, outside of poetterix.
Why are there going to be all of these changes? I am genuinely curious since I have only heard a little about this in the past.
I really hope it is not a requirement and will never be on for X.org. Otherwise, I will end up having to make my Linux-servers X-less and probably use Windows as terminal. After all, with systemd, windows-like levels of intransparency, insecurity, complexity and developer arrogance have already been reached. One system with that is quite enough, I do not need to deal with that crap on Linux as well.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I am excited about XWayland support, I would like to give wayland a try and maybe even write a dead simple compositor for building simple WMs on. I am not excited about systemd though (also not surprised), does anyone know if systemd is a dependency of X now?
-DX
Is this configuration, currently the only way to run X with non-root priveleges? Is there no way to use OpenRC to run X as non-root? Or is that statement in the headline such that, with systemd, you can finally run X as non-root?
So, to me it sounds like they are moving to being Linux only. As someone who supports multiple UNIX flavors (AIX, Solaris, HP UX, IRIX, and FreeBSD), all of which are running some form of X (and several of them running X.Org), I am displeased with the trend towards all of the primarily Linux dependencies for a lot of software - GNOME 3, Wayland, and now features of X11.
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
I can tell you I feel similiarly.
But until and unless a large percentage of the community starts coughing up money to directly pay devs otherwise, they're going to do what their corporate masters (primarily redhat, but also other tech incumbents) choose to do.
It's the same reason lots of other tech has made it into the linux kernel but taken years to a decade to make it into BSD. If the community isn't ponying up the cash to keep the development in a direction they desire, then some corporation will coopt it and pervert it into something we hate.
It's not the first nor last piece of software we'll see this happening with.
Good software despite it's flaws, it will be missed.
I really hope it is not a requirement and will never be on for kernel.org. Otherwise, I will end up having to make my Linux-servers Linux kernel-less and probably use Windows as an OS. After all, with the linux kernel, windows-like levels of intransparency, insecurity, complexity and developer arrogance have already been reached. One system with that is quite enough, I do not need to deal with that crap on Linux as well.
Same goes for glibc!
So what particular one thing does SysV init do well in your opinion? I honestly can't think of a single thing. It's crappy at managing services, it's crappy at running shell scripts (as witness by the non-standardness of init.d scripts), it's shit at managing running services with interdependencies (inittab), it's shit at dynamically reconfiguring systems (e.g. network reconfiguration for Wifi.), etc. etc.
There's a reason alternatives were created, y'know.
HAND.
FUCK OFF MICHAEL LARABEL
Let's see, not run X as root... this is different than startx from runlevel 3 exactly how?
Oh, and for the ignorant idiot, most distros of Linux work just fine out of the box for desktops. Certainly CentOS/RHEL, and Ubuntu, and SuSE do. Why, what were you thinking of... or is it that you've never *used* Linux?
mark
Best post of the thread.
Did this dude get so excited over the release that he peed his pants? http://www.phoronix.com/image-...
Actually, a lot of us, including Linus Torvalds, do submit bug reports and patches to various groups (such as GNOME) that get promptly ignored or rejected because of politics.
And in my case, it's "I was using Linux happily until I tried other operating systems, and realized how horrible the GNU/Linux setup really is"
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
I use it. Sometimes to run something like Wireshark, sometimes I do:
ray@mymac$ ssh -X -C me@linux.myhouse
I think we've seen this strategy before.
Basically, it's job security; make it so complex you need to pay for 'support' to make it work.
All your ghosts are just false positives.
For a rough guesstimate, let's say 25 people read your post. At least one of those people (4%) use XQuartz. Is 4% of people "next to no one"?
Why is it named after Washington DC's crack smoking mayor-for-life?
Is Lennart paid by Redhat or by Microsoft?
I'm not repeating myself
I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
Isn't there other software they can bloat the shit out of that isn't used as much?
You've just said what "init" doesn't do -- which btw, I'm well aware of -- I was merely preempting some responses I've seen in the past. Tell us which single thing it does do well.
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