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UN Report Finds NSA Mass Surveillance Likely Violated Human Rights

An anonymous reader writes A top United Nations human rights official released a report Wednesday that blasts the United States' mass surveillance programs for potentially violating human rights on a worldwide scale. U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay also praised whistleblower Edward Snowden and condemned U.S. efforts to prosecute him. "Those who disclose human rights violations should be protected," she said. "We need them." In particular, the surveillance programs violate Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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  1. So now that the UN said it, by digsbo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    does that mean I'm no longer an extremist for demanding my Constitutional rights be respected?

    1. Re:So now that the UN said it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. That means that the UN is now a terrorist organization and US will no longer give a shit about resolutions passed by it.

    2. Re:So now that the UN said it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember when the UN complained about Guantanamo Bay? Well, this is similar.

    3. Re:So now that the UN said it, by JMJimmy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it just means that your country has more in common with countries like Iran or Soviet era Russia than you'd like to admit.

      Did you know that the US is one of only 3 countries that haven't ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child? The other two are Somalia and South Sudan.

    4. Re:So now that the UN said it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. (...) US will no longer give a shit about resolutions passed by it.

      The US never did give a shit about UN resolutions. It only cares that other countries do.

    5. Re:So now that the UN said it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it just means that your country has more in common with countries like Iran or Soviet era Russia than you'd like to admit.

      You haven't seen my anti-US-government rants, have you?

      These days the U.S. Constitution would count as an anti-US-government rant so that's not exactly a distinguishing feature.

    6. Re:So now that the UN said it, by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      wrong. the US now does not care about anything but itself.

      rights belong to the highest bidder or power holder.

      that means: not you or me and certainly not some powerless speech-giving org.

      the US is out of control. we all know this now and we all see it.

      the question is: who has enough power to control the current top-dog and put him back in his dog-house?

      THAT is the question. the US is not going to give in willingly.

      I guess its at last a tiny half-step - having the ROW realize that the US is out of control and is violating the rights of, pretty much, anyone who dares try have a private thought or conversation.

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  2. Agreed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The single greatest evil that mankind ever unleashed upon the world was a corrupt government.

    We need more people like Snowden. And when they pop up, we should step up and defend them.

    (Of course, all *I* am brave enough to do is post an AC comment on a geek forum....but....maybe somebody else will be brave enough to do what needs to be done).

    1. Re:Agreed. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To agents in the NSA: It doesn't matter if 999 of 1000 of you are honest. All it takes is one G. Gordon Liddy type who ignores requirements for warrants to listen in on political opponents, and the whole thing is worthless. Possibly that is also the real intent, easy obfuscation of ultimate corruption.

      Known historical democracies collapse when they "temporarily" give emergency powers to someone. Greece, Rome, Germany 80 years ago.

      And you're participating in this modern panopticon as a rube while someone, maybe next to you, spies for a party or powerful faction.

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    2. Re:Agreed. by jeIIomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To agents in the NSA: It doesn't matter if 999 of 1000 of you are honest.

      If they were honest, they wouldn't be collecting everyone's data to begin with. That in itself is a violation of people's liberties.

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    3. Re:Agreed. by bigpat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that the response you get from Americans is "well, fuck it, as long as it's someone else's rights, who cares?".

      Actually, the NSA is actively violating the constitutional rights of every single American by ordering all the companies we do business with to hand over all their records on us. It matters because when the rule of law, especially our fundamental rights, are not respected by those with the highest responsibility to uphold them, then the rule of law breaks down and then we get the rule of the strongest factions and the elimination of freedom for all. We might already be there, but I hope it is not too late to restore the rule of law without a new civil war or a new revolution.

  3. What made them decide to do this now? by timrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can understand very well why the UN might not have done this earlier - the US government would want to quash any positive PR for a man they consider to be a traitor, and I'm sure they can exert enough force on the UN to ensure this happens. I would not be at all surprised if that was why this report hadn't come out until now.

    The question is, though, what made them decide to release it?

  4. The United States Voted For That Declaration by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 5, Informative

    In 1948, the United States voted for that declaration.

    "n 10 December 1948, the Universal Declaration was adopted by the General Assembly by a vote of 48 in favor, none against"

    This was the West announcing their idea of human rights.

    (see Wikipedia)

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    1. Re:The United States Voted For That Declaration by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The founders of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights had, at the time, just faced down a global fascist hegemony, which made those rights seem just and proper and self-evident for great peace and wellbeing.

      Now those founding states are becoming a global fascists hegemony ... they're not so keen on them.

      Quelle suprise! :)

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  5. Re:The U.N. Finds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And not a single flying fuck was given. U.N., what a joke...

    Ah, the typical asshole American response.

    The US helped form the UN. The US alternates between using the UN to further own ends, and decrying the UN if people refuse to blindly follow what the US wants.

    Face it, the US has actively become the enemies of human rights and liberties over the last bunch of years.

    The fact that you're a bunch of whiny, self-entitled cock-suckers who think you run the world is your problem.

    The UN is a framework for countries to try to resolve issues diplomatically. Yes, it can be ineffective as blocs of countries drag their heels on stuff. But it's all we've got.

    The US talks about international justice, but refuses to be a signatory to the ICC -- so that they can continue to commit war crimes and answer to nobody.

    Fuck America. Fuck you.

    You've become a banana republic with delusions of being the champions of rights and freedoms.

    What a deluded bunch of assholes.

  6. Re:Gimme a f 'ing break by Sique · · Score: 4, Informative

    It does. It routinely condemns it.

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  7. Re:No by demachina · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The founding fathers weren't exactly the pillars of individual freedom you seem to think they were. They were an American centric elite and plutocracy trying to displace a Britsh centric elite and plutocracy, mostly so they could have a bigger cut of America's growing wealth.

    You can tell because most of those constitutional protections and the Bill of Rights didn't apply to people who weren't affluent(i.e. who didn't own land), women, native American's, blacks/slaves and indentured whites. They applied mostly to white men who had wealth (at least enough to own land).

    They actively prevented people who were not white, male and affluent from voting or holding office. They were mostly slave owners themselves, and they were for the most part very affluent and owners of very large real estate holdings. They were all 1%'ers.

    The Declaration of Independence and Constitution were carefully designed to inspire support from enough people in the colonies for their Revolution to succeed, and to create the illusion of freedom, but they had no intention of relinquishing their power and control over the levers of government when it their Revolution did succeed. That plutocracy has never relinquished that control in the more than 200 years since.

    The NSA along with the DHS, FBI, ATF and IRS are means for maintaining that control.

    The Internet let a genie out of a bottle and created dangerous potentential for the rest of us to organize and try to win some of that power and control back.

    When faced with the twin crises, and excuses, that were 9/11 and the 2008 crash it was nearly inevitable that The Powers That Be in the U.S. and U.K. would exploit every tool at their disposal, mainly computers and networks, to try to put a lid back on their control of their increasingly restless and networked homelands and to try to maintain their domination of the world as a whole in the face of increasing challenges.

    The 2008 crash in particular resulted in widespread global disillusionment with the fact economies and governments are rigged to benefit the ruling elite and screw everyone else. When ruling elites start feeling that heat they trot out their police states, always have, always will.

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  8. Consttutional government by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does the US Constitution specifically grant the government the power to interfere in X? If not then doing so is unconstitutional, because the constitution explicitly states (repeatedly, in several different ways) that the federal government has *only* those powers granted to it by the constitution. Which is why something as simple as banning alcohol required a constitutional amendment. You can thank legal gymnasts and an apathetic population for the steady expansion of federal powers beyond what has been explicitly granted. For example: despite the fact that Prohibition required a constitutional amendment to implement, the Supreme Court held that a similar ban on on marijuana was constitutional because it could theoretically be sold across state lines, and thus the federal government's legitimately granted power to regulate interstate commerce could be applied, even against individuals growing small quantities for their own consumption. You really want to tell me that's not a load of power-mongering BS? That line of reasoning gives the federal government control over *all* commerce within the US, completely gutting the initial restriction of only regulating interstate commerce without ever having to get a pesky constitutional amendment passed to expand it's powers.

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