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Verizon Now Throttling Top 'Unlimited' Subscribers On 4G LTE

PC Magazine (along with Forbes, Reuters, and others) reports that those on the rightmost edge of the graph for Verizon's "unlimited" 4G LTE service are about to hit a limit: [T]hose in the top five percent of Verizon's unlimited data users (which requires one to pull down an average of just around 4.7 gigabytes of monthly data or so) who are enrolled on an unlimited data plan and have fulfilled their minimum contract terms (are now on a month-to-month plan) will be subject to network throttling if they're trying to connect up to a cellular tower that's experiencing high demand." As the article goes on to point out, though, [A] user would have to hit all of these criteria in order to have his or her connection slowed down. There are a lot of hoops to jump through, giving even more weight to the fact that Verizon's throttling — while annoying on paper — won't affect a considerable majority of those still holding on to their unlimited data plans.

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  1. 1 or 1 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't matter. If customers are paying for it, throttling them should be seen as illegal. I've been a Verizon Wireless customer for over a decade and these recent decisions to screw their own customers have led me to the decision I don't want Verizon anything. Not their phones, Internet, anything. Switching to T-Mobil this week.

    1. Re:1 or 1 million by mattwarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unlimited bandwidth is not possible. You can make it illegal all you want. It doesn't trump physics.

    2. Re:1 or 1 million by NoKaOi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unlimited bandwidth is not possible. You can make it illegal all you want. It doesn't trump physics.

      Solution: Don't lie and call it unlimited. The point is that customers are paying for something Verizon calls "unlimited" which is not actually unlimited. The customers contracts are up so they can put those customers on other plans, the problem is when they still call the altered plan "unlimited."

    3. Re:1 or 1 million by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Neither is downloading an unlimited amount in a finite period at any finite speed, no matter how fast. The point of an unlimited bandwidth plan is so that one does not experience any unexpected fees for excessive usage, regardless of how much they actually end up using the service. If Verizon doesn't have the infratstructure to support its subscribers having such plans, then they shouldn't be offering them.

      The fact that they literally can't download an infinite quantity of content in a month is irrelevant.

      If you're just adverse to the notion of "unlimited bandwidth" you can think of unlimited bandwidth plan, as actually a cap at whatever the theoretical maximum could be if they were downloading 24/7 at full speed for the entire billing cycle, the maximums of which are dictated by the physical hardware and technology... which is only limited by what we can do today, but if the technology improves, the cap goes up with it, with no defined upper bound. And that's the "unlimited" that is being referred to.

    4. Re:1 or 1 million by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It sounds like theyre saying this is only on cell towers under high demand: That means it is literally impossible to fulfill requests from all connected subscribers at full time. In that case, QoS is the correct thing to do.

    5. Re:1 or 1 million by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      Unlimited bandwidth is not possible. You can make it illegal all you want. It doesn't trump physics.

      Limited bandwidth does not justify throttling some customers more than others, depending on the nature of their "unlimited" contract.

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    6. Re:1 or 1 million by haruchai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet they're still throttling Netflix?

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    7. Re:1 or 1 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unlimited bandwidth is not possible. You can make it illegal all you want. It doesn't trump physics.

      Solution: Don't lie and call it unlimited. The point is that customers are paying for something Verizon calls "unlimited" which is not actually unlimited. The customers contracts are up so they can put those customers on other plans, the problem is when they still call the altered plan "unlimited."

      you really have two choices: 1. punish the heaviest users; 2. punish everyone.

      pick one.

      Nonsense. Just state what the real plans are with the appropriate prices and let the customer choose what they want. The free market in action. Just stop the fraud.

    8. Re:1 or 1 million by Barny · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right, in Australia they have made laws to this effect. If you advertise something as 'unlimited' it must be without any limit.

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    9. Re:1 or 1 million by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unlimited bandwidth is not possible. You can make it illegal all you want. It doesn't trump physics.

      Nobody sane claimed that Verizon was offering unlimited bandwidth. Bandwidth was quite obviously limited to 3G speeds, and then subsequently LTE speeds.

      Verizon offered unlimited "data," as in no artificial limit on the amount of data that you could download using that bandwidth. Verizon subsequently imposed artificial limits on the amount of data that users could download per month on other plans. Verizon is now limiting bandwidth based upon the amount of data one has downloaded combined with a somewhat arbitrary measure of congestion -- they don't bother to specify what utilization threshold a cell base station has to cross to be considered "congested" so as to trigger the limitation.

      Physics has nothing to do with that limitation. Physics does not dictate that a shared resource be preferentially allocated to those not on an "unlimited" plan because the provider quite badly wants to push users onto pay-per-quantity plans without taking the PR hit necessary to actually terminate the now month-to-month unlimited contracts.

    10. Re:1 or 1 million by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Verizon spends a fortune adding capacity. They are doing that. But that doesn't address the problem that whatever the capacity is today has to be shared today. And there are choices between how that is allocated.

    11. Re:1 or 1 million by icebike · · Score: 2

      Sure they are.
      They get a bill every month just like everyone else.
      And they pay more than it costs to provide them with their bandwidth.

      Do have a look at the 10K before wringing your hands for poor pool Verizon.

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    12. Re:1 or 1 million by symbolset · · Score: 2

      In the US about half of Internet traffic in prime time is Netflix. It would behoove a company that sells Internet service to provision sufficient bandwidth to the part of the Internet their customers are paying so much to access. Maybe Netflix should just get into the fiber business and start collecting that $100/month instead of a measly $12 since they are already providing half the service anyway.

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    13. Re:1 or 1 million by haruchai · · Score: 2

      Looks like VPN services like VyprVPN will see some significant growth from Verizon's customers in the short term.
      While Verizon may want to strongarm Netflix into paying them directly, Level3 could reroute the traffic through other networks that also peer with Verizon since Netflix's traffic isn't at all latency sensitive

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    14. Re:1 or 1 million by kwbauer · · Score: 2

      Verizon no longer sells unlimited plans and probably doesn't have many unlimited plans still under contract. The complaint is that Verizon has recently started "pushing" those customers who have unlimited plans but are no longer under contract to get under contract on a plan suitable to their needs. Verizon does have another, more drastic, remedy they could just as legally and morally use: terminate service on the heavy users that Verizon is under no contractual obligation to serve.

    15. Re:1 or 1 million by Imrik · · Score: 2

      So why are they only doing this to people who have already paid off their phone?

    16. Re:1 or 1 million by jbolden · · Score: 2

      It's well within Level3's capability to spread the load among all the peers

      Of course it is. But how does that help? Most of the smaller players would have to buy more bandwidth themselves to carry any substantial portion of Netflix's traffic. They don't have the capacity to accept most of the traffic at the handoff in Oregon. So Level3 would end up having to shift traffic all over the USA themselves, handoff all over the place and then have those smaller players handoff to Verizon. The performance would be both unpredictable and quite bad for Netflix customers. And in the end, its still going to have to get handed back to Verizon for last mile, so all these small providers are going to be asymmetric.

      Do owners of popular venues pay to upgrade the interstate 50 miles out of town?

      Our road system is maintained by the government to serve the common good. The internet is much more of a free market. That being said, in areas where there is very little justification for a road and a business that wants one, they often do pay to get their access to the interstate upgraded.

      By the way, Netflix HAS ALREADY PAID both Comcast & Verizon - http://www.theverge.com/2014/4... [theverge.com]
      That was months ago. So the issue now is between Verizon & Level3.

      AFAIK that's two different agreements. Netflix is having Verizon carry some of their traffic directly. Then there isn't peering obviously and Verizon doesn't care if the traffic is asymmetric. In theory if Netflix bought enough Verizon to cover delivery to all Verizon customers that would solve the Level3 / Verizon problem as there wouldn't be any handoff. But they aren't doing it they are only doing it for some of the traffic. Probably places where the Verizon / Level3 handoffs are flooded to get those customers good service. The issue still remains because Level3 still carries most of Netflix's traffic.

      Is Netflix going to have to pay extortion money to EVERY major provider in the world if their traffic causes asymmetric bandwidth between peers?

      I wouldn't call it extortion, I'd call it paying for services used. And the answer is likely yes. Though the more reasonable thing is that it get wrapped in the Level3 bill. If Netflix wants to generate huge traffic to require expensive traffic upgrades their customers should be the ones to pay for those upgrades.

      If it were up to me, I would tell Comcast & Verizon to go fuck themselves and start buying up every multihomed / distributed VPN service I could find and sell that as a premium service with some goodies to sweeten the pot for my customers.

      How would that help? If a packet is going to get from Level3 Oregon to say a Verizon home in Philadelphia it at some point is going to have to hit a peering location between Level3 and Verizon. Unless you add a bunch of other 3rd parties in there. In which case it is still going to have to happen indirectly. What is a VPN going to do to fix that?

    17. Re:1 or 1 million by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Yes I agree that would be the most reasonable thing to do. Or they could put them on some sort of prepay monthly plan and just eat the cost of the first month. Verizon should be moving those customers off those plans. For the vast majority of customers on their unlimited plans they probably have dumb phones or feature phones that only use EVDO data and their "unlimited" data is around 2m / month. They aren't the problem. The people streaming movies are. They probably should be forced to switch.

    18. Re:1 or 1 million by SirAudioMan · · Score: 2

      Hahahahaha - Expand Capability!

      This goes against every morsel in every cell in the body of the board members of almost any company! The last resort is to ever invest in capital to improve the service unless you fall behind your competitors. Also, remember that terms of service agreement that you signed when you agreed to your contract? Well, they get you there in the small fine print too! Most companies are in the business of making as much money as possible using any means that 'legal'.

    19. Re:1 or 1 million by theraptor05 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are correct, Verizon can do this leaglly (unless the FCC ever gets their act together), but not for the reason you mention. There is still a contract, with agreements about what services will be provided, and how much those services will cost. Unlimited data is one of those services. The "contract period" is simply the minimum length of time the contract will be in effect without the customer having to pay an early termination fee. If Verizon wants to change any terms of the service (throttling, no unlimited, etc) they can do so with 1 months notice to the customer (which they are doing, with about two months to go), regardless of the "contract period". If an ETF were applicable (which none are, since all unlimited plans are well over two years old at this point), then the customer could ditch the contract (and thus cell service) without paying the ETF. Now, just because they can do it doesn't mean that they should (customer satisfaction). But I'm sure they've done market research to suggest that they will get far more "shared data" plan conversions than they'll lose from upset unlimitted customers.

    20. Re:1 or 1 million by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Why? Why wouldn't they want Netflix to pay given their usage?

      I want you to play leapfrog with a a rainbow-colored unicorn, but that doesn't mean I'm entitled to see it happen. The customers have already paid for that usage, which is why Verizon isn't entitled to be paid again by Netflix.

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    21. Re:1 or 1 million by timeOday · · Score: 2

      Sigh, I must be on slashdot. "Unlimited" doesn't mean "free from the laws of physics." It means it isn't limited by the carrier. (If I told you there was no speed limit on the autobahn, would you honestly think I was hoping to drive faster-than-light?)

    22. Re:1 or 1 million by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      "Unlimited bandwidth is not possible. You can make it illegal all you want. It doesn't trump physics"

      You are confusing the term unlimited with infinite. Unlimited means "we don't limit it". I just found out that Virgin Mobile is doing this as well, and it is fraud. It is very easy to understand why throttling is limiting bandwidth. Suppose I tell you that you can have as much data as you want this month, but I will only send you a single bit per day. I have just limited your data usage to 28 to 31 bits, now haven't I?

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    23. Re:1 or 1 million by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "you really have two choices: 1. punish the heaviest users; 2. punish everyone."

      So now people who purchase and pay for a service, then actually use it, are wrong-doers who should be punished? You have, of course, presented a false dichotimy. They have been serving me the data at the current rate without "punishing" anyone. That is the service I paid for, and it is what they have profited from. Their only valid choices are: 1) Don't sell the service 2) Sell the sevice, and then provide the service for which they have been paid.

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    24. Re:1 or 1 million by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      REALLY? We should all have 1 GB connections to the home by now and you defend this stalling bullshit????? You KNOW how much bandwidth costs and yet you defend them? You KNOW they are putting off properly upgrading the network to GB to the home so that they an sell you 100Mb, 200Mb, 500Mb then 1 Gb as upgrades. Fuck you.

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    25. Re:1 or 1 million by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank you! I totally appreciate your helping me to understand the English language! Up until now I thought that, when people said there is no speed limit on the Autobahn, it meant that one could go as fast as the car would go. Now, thanks to the combination of your brilliance and eloquence, I now understand that the laws of physics cesase to exist on the Autobahn! I now also understand that every phone company is commiting fraud by claiming that their networks are capable of infinite frigging bandwidth! Either that, or you are an idiot.

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    26. Re:1 or 1 million by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Calling it "unlimited" isn't fraud. Calling it "unlimited" while imposing artificial limits is fraud.

  2. Check your Facebook autoplay settings by abe+ferlman · · Score: 2

    I was sent a warning message about this, I'm still grandfathered in on the unlimited plan. I looked at my usage and over 4G of traffic was from facebook... apparently because I was auto-playing videos. Turning this off on an iphone requires you to go to the settings menu on the phone (not, confusingly, the settings menu in the facebook app, but the facebook app settings in the phone settings menu). You can set it to auto-play only on wifi or never.

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  3. Re:You can't sell what you don't have! by TheMeuge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with their network infrastructure, and everything to do with the fact that they would like you to pay out of pocket to stream media on their network. With a 10gb monthly limit on my 4 user plan, if I go away on a trip and watch 3-4 netflix movies in HD, I've used up my entire monthly allowance, and then streaming becomes pay-per-view at $10+ per movie.

    They are annoyed that they have customers who still have an "unlimited" plan, and they are effectively converting those users to having a usable 5gb plan.

  4. what the hell are you doing on your cellphone by gTsiros · · Score: 2, Insightful

    that takes 5 GB per month?

    do you HAVE to stream entire movies and music to it?

    why not copy stuff to its storage and maybe save some wireless bandwidth?

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    1. Re:what the hell are you doing on your cellphone by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      B-b-b-b-but that would actually make sense, and we can't have that.

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  5. Re:You can't sell what you don't have! by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If the idea of "unlimited" bothers you, then think of an unlimited plan as being capped at whatever the technology currently being used would allow you to download 24/7 at whatever speed the network can support, for the entire billing cycle. As technology improves, that limit goes up... without any predefined limit.

    Which is, of course, what "unlimited" means. So in reality, the term is quite accurate. The fact that a person can't physically download an infinite amount of content in a finite period because network speeds are finite is entirely irrelevant.

  6. Just until the news cycle moves on... by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is just until the news cycle finds its next shinny bloodbath and moves on. Once that happens, then Verizon will slap the bandwidth cap on all the time in every place. They're just trying to find a way to annoy these people into changing plans or switching to another provider without it making front page news.

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    1. Re:Just until the news cycle moves on... by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      So in other words, its a non issue, but we should get pissed off over a non issue just so that when it hypothetically becomes a real issue we will have already expressed the correct amount of outrage?

      Im not clear how this works.

    2. Re:Just until the news cycle moves on... by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      So in other words, its a non issue, but we should get pissed off over a non issue just so that when it hypothetically becomes a real issue we will have already expressed the correct amount of outrage?

      Companies float these trial balloons to see if it gets shot down out of the sky.
      If it doesn't, then they progress to the next stage of the trial.

      So yes, get pissed off at "a non issue," because with enough outrage, most companies will say "I'm sorry" and then pull back.

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  7. BOHICA by ShaunC · · Score: 2

    Who is Verizon not fucking over? I'm not even their customer and I feel like I need some lube, just from hearing about these things. I would never, ever buy any service from Verizon. Every business they're in, they seem to take pleasure in punishing their customers just for using what they tried to purchase.

    It's bad enough dealing with Comcast, but thankfully I don't rely on them for all of my services (despite their best efforts) and Sprint treats me pretty well for cell service.

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  8. I'm affected by this, and... by allquixotic · · Score: 2

    I'm definitely meeting all the conditions required to be throttled. I'm going to wait until October to see what the impact is for me. Whether or not I stay with Verizon will depend on the severity of the throttling, and how frequently the tower where I live suffers from saturation.

    As long as I get at least EvDO speeds (over LTE, for the lower ping and IPv6), I'll probably stay with Verizon and continue my existing usage pattern. I use about 70 to 150 GB per month. I tether with the (legitimate) mobile hotspot feature, enabled by paying an extra $30/mo. I don't have a wireline Internet connection because Comcast is unreliable and doesn't care to fix it, and Verizon, despite telling me in 2007 that we could get FiOS in a matter of weeks, is still only offering us 7 Mbps ADSL.

    I usually do most of my downloading/uploading at off-peak hours, anyway. I'm fine with firing off a 25 GB download on Steam at 11 PM and letting it run through the night. It's unlikely to be throttled at that time, because the tower won't be saturated. The population density where I live is strictly suburban (full-size houses, not town homes), so I don't think it'll be saturated very often.

    If the throttling gives me so little bandwidth that I can't even stream 720p H264, I'm outta there. Might have to move to an area that has decent wireline service. But I can tell you for certain that it won't be Verizon or any company related to it in any way. Once I decide that Verizon has put the last straw on me, I am not going to spend another penny on that company for the rest of my life, and will go out of my way to ensure that nobody I know spends a penny on them, or at least make them seriously reevaluate their choice of service provider, for both cellular and wireline service.

    Verizon's taking a real risk with this. If the throttling is only 50-60% of the normal speed, I probably won't even notice, since my bandwidth needs during prime time are usually modest (720p streaming video might be the MOST I ask for, and in many cases I'll just be surfing the web or coding). If the throttling is 90-95% of the potential throughput, they will convert a long-time advocate (since the Windows Mobile early EvDO days) into a bitter enemy, spewing vitriol and anti-Verizon word of mouth everywhere I go for the rest of my life. Are they prepared to live with that consequence?

    Oh, and they'll lose my $700 cash infusion that I supply them approximately yearly when I pay full retail to upgrade my phone. Hope they can live without that, too.

    Oh, and my $200/month (family-wide) cellular bill.

    Oh, plus the fact that I've successfully convinced tens of people in the past, who already have a suitable wireline connection at home, to subscribe to Verizon limited data plans because they actually do offer more data for less money than their competitors, and the service reliability and availability is second to none.

    Dear Verizon: if you're reading this, you better go easy on the throttling. If you don't, look to lose about $10,000 per month in revenue by the time I get done canceling my service and talking to my connections about Verizon and they start pulling the plug. I'm a very convincing and influential person. People follow my lead, especially when it comes to technology. I wonder how many other people like me out there are souring to your business by your anti-consumer practices. Are you really OK with staring into the abyss? Is it really your goal to force people who've loved your company for over a decade to do an about-face and tear you down?

    All because you couldn't deploy a few more towers, because cost cutting and the bottom line. That type of reasoning is a plague that needs to be rooted out and eradicated, starting with deporting the MBAs who come up with this shit.

    1. Re:I'm affected by this, and... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, plus the fact that I've successfully convinced tens of people in the past, who already have a suitable wireline connection at home, to subscribe to Verizon limited data plans because they actually do offer more data for less money than their competitors, and the service reliability and availability is second to none.

      You cruel, cynical bastard. How often do you have to change your name?

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  9. throttling by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I believe throttling is an appropriate response to this situation, so if you see any Verizon corporate officers, please let me know.

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  10. Re:Small effect? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Why not take the buttloads of profit you a-holes are making an build out your network instead of coming up with this Rube Goldberg throttling crap?

    When this question was put to Lowell C. McAdam, CEO of Verizon, his response was, "Because fuck you, that's why. And by the way, sign this new user agreement where you give away any rights to sue Verizon for anything ever for the rest of your life and agree to instead face arbitration by that group of Verizon lawyers, sitting right over there with the "Fuck You, That's Why" t-shirts".

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  11. Re:Small effect? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Verizon market-tested the new corporate slogan of "Fuck You, That's Why". It tested very badly, but they decided to go ahead and use it because, you guessed it, "Fuck You, That's Why".

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  12. Re:You can't sell what you don't have! by DivineKnight · · Score: 2

    You know, people used to see that as an excuse to upgrade their network capacity religiously. 10Mbit not fast enough? Let's go buy some 100Mbit equipment. 100Mbit equipment not fast enough? Let's go buy some 1000Mbit stuff. People would invest time and money getting to that next tier, because they wanted to make sure they never hit 75% network utilization as a religion. And that passion, that fire is gone today. Instead we have fat network execs who are bleeding people dry while complaining that it costs too much to upgrade to the next tier, or even throw on a few more ports of the current stuff. People who think that we need fast lanes and slow lanes...I tell you, if you need to switch on QoS on your network, the pipe is already too small. The only QoS you need for a network is a little counter for dropped packets, which should be studied by seeding something on bit torrent and trying to Skype to somewhere in Asia...if you've done it right, you won't notice any degradation. Net Neutrality? Fairness? I believe in the inherent fairness that comes with TCP / IP. Fight for your right to transmit and receive...all network devices are equal in the eyes of the firewall.

  13. 1,050 people for a 1,000 person tower by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Here's what you're missing. The article is about what happens when a tower hits maximum capacity for a moment.
    Suppose the hardware on the tower is capable of serving 1,000 people per second*. There are 1,050 people who want to download this second. Sorry, 50 people are going to have to wait one second. The tower can only handle 1,000. That's just a fact. They aren't "messing with" anything, that's just what the hardware is capable of.

    What Verizon has decided is that when there is an overload and somebody will have to wait a second, it'll be the heaviest users who have to wait. After all, they've already used "more than their fair share".

    * it's actually how many packets and bytes the tower can serve per second / millisecond, not customer count. The person who uses a lot will wait milliseconds.