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In France, Most Comments on Gaza Conflict Yanked From Mainstream News Sites
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an unpleasant statistic from France, quoting David Corchia, who heads a service employed by large French news organizations to sift through and moderate comments made on their sites. Quoting YNet News:
Corchia says that as an online moderator, generally 25% to 40% of comments are banned. Moderators are assigned with the task of filtering comments in accordance with France's legal system, including those that are racist, anti-Semitic or discriminatory. Regarding the war between the Israelis and Hamas, however, Corchia notes that some 95% of online comments made by French users are removed. "There are three times as many comments than normal, all linked to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict," added Jeremie Mani, head of another moderation company Netino. "We see racist or anti-Semitic messages, very violent, that also take aim at politicians and the media, sometimes by giving journalists' contact details," he added. "This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict. The war in Syria does not trigger these kinds of comments."
"This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict. The war in Syria does not trigger these kinds of comments."
That's because there are no Jews in Syria, and a metric fuck'ton of Snackbars in France.
So, we have discovered that the whole western world is pretty much the same as any other dictatorship with regards to censorship in sensitive questions. Sure, we can write whatever we want about unimportant stuff, but what good does that make? This is so sad.
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Maybe, if you could say the word Israel... without being called an anti-semite....
This entire conflict is Evil... it doesn't matter, if one side is Jewish and the other side is Islam...
It has nothing to do with that...
Having said that... the Israeli apartheid state needs a wake up call... because they are doing what the south african's did before them.
And, yes I am going there... and what the Nazis did before that.
They mean different things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... anti-Semitic includes all Semitic people/languages. Antisemitic seems to only include jews.
Won't someone think of the racists?
Also, it doesn't say they don't take down racist comments against Palestinians.
The problem with most of these comments is that they are vile and hate-filled toward not just a country, but an entire religion.
Europeans have laws against hate speech. That's why these comments are being deleted.
Personally, I'd leave these comments in place. It shows the hatred that is being fomented in many Islamic middle eastern countries. We should know what they really think and why.
I think deleting those comments is actually masking a terrible problem.
The big issue is that one group of refugees from an attempted Genocide is creating another group of refugees from their attempted Genocide.
All else is lies.
But refuses to take them into their own countries.
The fact is that this has nothing to do with Israel, but the Jews. The Koran and the hadiths brim over with hatred for the jews. The origins go back to the founder himself - He Who Must Not Be Drawn - when the Jews of Arabia rejected him. Until then he was praying in the direction of Jerusalem, and then flipped over to Mecca.
Wow! How could one person get so many things wrong? Go back to history class and this time pay attention.
Let me guess. You're either a Muslim or just an ignorant atheist.
Wow! How could one person get so many things wrong? Go back to history class and this time pay attention.
Let me guess. You're either a Muslim or just an ignorant atheist.
I'm a Roman Catholic, does that make me an antisemitic by definition or what ?
Maybe before you spout this stuff, you should read up about what Zionism actually is, what Israeli law actually says, and what genocide actually means.
Presuming someone is a Muslin or an "ignorant atheist" doesn't sound ignorant or perhaps discriminatory? Just asking, I don't want to be your next target.
Here in France we have:
- Massive immigration from Arab countries (1)
- Extremely stupid and obedient journalists (2)
- Very active Jewish lobbies that successfully implanted the equation "criticism of Israel = antisemitism" into the brains of said journalists and politicians.
It's only logical a lot of people support the Palestinians and hate the journalists. It's also expected that journalists will describe these people as antisemitic.
(1) more accurately Maghreb i.e. Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria
(2) they make the US mainstream press look like an example of professionalism, rigor and skepticism towards government propaganda
Maybe before you spout this stuff, you should read up about what Zionism actually is, what Israeli law actually says, and what genocide actually means.
How about you illuminate us ?
What does radical Zionism as understood by the Likhud political party acutally is ?
What is Israeli law for Jews, Arabs with Isreali citizenship and Palestinians ?
C'mon man I eagerly await your lessons. I'm all ears.
This war is one that might never end... there's two groups who seem to have equal claim on the same territory, and there's no good way to split it in half or otherwise avoid it... what are we in the USA supposed to do about it:? Doesn't seem like a problem we can solve right now.
The parent comment is clear cut flamebait, and you retard moderators pushed it up why??? This is blatant and egregious misuse of moderation points. This is an outrage and I will demand that the editors revoke your privileges.
Just like most comments are removed from American media sites (you too /.).
Do you honestly believe that Israel are attempting to commit genocide and can't do better than killing 1000 people in a few weeks? At this rate it would take 100 years to finish the job. I'm pretty sure that if genocide was the aim, then by now there wouldn't be a blade of grass standing in Gaza.
The reason why comes down to their doomsday prophecies. In the Jewish (and Christian) prophecy the state of Israel returns. Needless to say for Islam this is not a situation they will tolerate simply because it makes someone else's superstitious nonsense look more legit than theirs.
Every light carries a shadow
The problem is that two groups of people want the same land.
That's it. The religious issues are just a distraction and some folks are using their religion as justification for claiming the land. And here in the States, it is framed as a religious issue to get support for Israel: Look! The chosen people are being terrorized by those evil Muslims!
The problem is that in terms of mathematical relativity, the fighting in Gaza is not a terribly important ongoing conflict.
There are an *exponentially* larger number of ongoing casualties in Syria. Where is the outrage?
There are more ongoing casualties in Sudan, Pakistan and other non-reported conflicts as well. Where are the street protests?
Selective outrage is inherently indicative of a motivation *other* than humanitarian concern.
Great stats here: http://notquant.com/the-israel...
We must care about civilian casualties. But we must not care more about some casualties over others.
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No, just wrong.
Mostly you're right. But there is no apartheid in Israel. Israeli Jewish and Arab citizens have equal rights and are equal under the law. And there is a supreme court (which has Arab members) that is active in maintaining it.
Israeli citizens and non-citizens do not have equal rights, but that's pretty much true in any country. If you are implying that Israel should extend Israeli citizenship to anybody living occupied territory, then... well basically you're proposing annexation of the West Bank and Gaza, and ultimately the "one state solution", that is roundly rejected by everyone.
Care to explain what was wrong about what he said? Or are you just going to call him anti-Jewish? Mel Gibson style.
When the leader of swedens biggest political party expressed a moderate view on the conflict, basicly said that both sides need to calm the fuck down and that it's not unreasonable that Israel defends itself against the rocket attacks, this was about a week ago just before the current escalation.
His facebook page was bombarded with anti-semite comments from mainly socialist/marxist groups and muslims. One blogger even made a paper analyzing where the hate came from.
This is so true. While it is true that Israel is blocking one part of the border, the other side is being blocked by either Qatar or Egypt. All US allies in the region.
Why should other countries have to take them in? What gives Israel the right to kick them out in the first place? (other than better guns)
Well, as a short starter for you,
- Zionism has nothing to say about Palestinians whatsoever, certainly nothing about eradicating them, and is also not based in religion.
- Israeli law treats all citizens as equal irrespective of religion, race, or creed.
- Israel is clearly not trying to kill all Gazans, or they would have completed their mission in the first 2 days without even setting foot in there.
Peace and love.
From the Israeli Declaration of Independence:
THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open to the immigration of Jews from all countries of their dispersion; will promote the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; will be based on the precepts of liberty, justice and peace taught by the Hebrew Prophets; will uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed or sex; will guarantee full freedom of conscience, worship, education and culture; will safeguard the sanctity and inviolability of the shrines and Holy Places of all religions; and will dedicate itself to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
From the Hamas charter:
Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed.
This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.
Any procedure in contradiction to Islamic Sharia, where Palestine is concerned, is null and void.
It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Moslem generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis.
Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."
The Islamic Resistance Movement consider itself to be the spearhead of the circle of struggle with world Zionism and a step on the road. The Movement adds its efforts to the efforts of all those who are active in the Palestinian arena. Arab and Islamic Peoples should augment by further steps on their part; Islamic groupings all over the Arab world should also do the same, since all of these are the best-equipped for the future role in the fight with the warmongering Jews.
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict. The war in Syria does not trigger these kinds of comments.
The war in Syria doesn't involve a nuclear state casually bulldozing civilian houses, complete with civilians inside, all because a handful of pesky terrorists keep lobbing ineffective bombs into empty fields.
Israel's problem really boils down to a matter of proportion. Yes, they have an unenviable situation to deal with; but they have chosen to respond in a way that makes them look like monsters (to the point that even many Jewish Israelis consider their government's behavior nothing short of reprehensible). When you cook ants with a magnifying glass, no one blames the ants, even if one or two do manage to sting you.
As for the FP's hypothetical French forum moderator - You count as part of the problem. When people can freely say things such as what I wrote above, they can contribute to the discussion, sometimes even vent a bit, and move on. When, however, fairly peaceful discussion vanishes under some bullshit pretense of racism - People then feel the need to escalate the impact of their few words making it through to other eyes.
Qatar is quite a ways away from the Levant. I think you meant "Jordan".
And for what it's worth, Israel controls the border between the West Bank and Jordan.
The government of Syria has killed more of its civilians in the past few years than israeli army has killed Arabs and Palestinians in every war and struggle in its entire history of 64 years. Where is the outrage? The Syrian government targets people based on politics but also religion. It uses chemical weapons, it uses fuel air explosives, and wide dispersal shrapnel bombs in civilian neighborhoods without warning. It uses widespread rape against men, women and children as a weapon of government control. It even lay siege to Palestinian refugee camp containing thousands in Syria for weeks intentionally cutting food and medical starving thousands of civilians because they supported the opposition. Where is the outrage? Where are the marches and protestors? Where are the anti-fascists and human rights organizers? Why doesn't anyone bother comment on this?
It's not because the Syria story is under reported. When people express selective extreme outrage about Israel, and ignore far worse there is a word for it, and the word isn't pretty.
By the way, just for the record, Syria is still a member in good standing of the un human rights council and was the first country to speak to condemn israel when the council voted a new commission to condemn israel. Keep that in mind when you think about the farce that is the UN and its pronouncements.
You're just another armchair criticizer. Israel does not have apartheid. We have Arabs with businesses, Arabs in the Army, Arabs in the Parliament... That does not equate to "apartheid". The Nazi's genocided people. If we were genociding the Palestinians, believe me, we could do it in one fucking day. We could level Gaza, and level the West Bank, in one fucking day!
How about you stop watching whatever useful idiot news the left has been feeding you, come here to Israel and see for yourself before spewing outrageous and baseless remarks from whatever desk that is outside the region being discussed. Even bolder, I cordially invite you to go to the West Bank or Gaza, just to see how long you last before they start butchering your dumb ass, as you beg and proclaim that you support them and that you are pro-palestinian, and you are on their side, or maybe you'll be luckily enough to live to be tortured and held captive until they get some lucrative trade for you from the west. Likely, you'll just be the next Vittorio Arrigon.
If you look at military spending as a percentage of GDP, Israel spends 1.5x as much as the US. 2% of Israel's population is active military. If you include reservists, that goes up to 9%. Compare this to 0.2% and 0.4%, respectively, for the US.
Israel is a country that is largely lead by war heros from the 60s and 70s and their acolytes. Let's look at the recent PMs of Israel: Netanyahu (former IDF commando), Ehud Barak (former chief of staff of the IDF), Shimon Peres (former defense minister), Ariel Sharon (former IDF general, former minister of defense), Yitzhak Rabin (former chief of staff of the IDF), Yitzhak Shamir (former Mossad agent). The only PM in the past 40 years who didn't have significant connections to the Israeli defense establishment was Ehud Olmert. (He didn't do anything significant beyond the compulsory military service.) If you look at the financial ties between Israeli government officials and major defense companies, things get even more mixed up.
The fact is that ever since the Camp David Accords and the agreement with Sadat, Israel was never again in danger of being wiped off the map. Sure, there were sporadic threats from groups like Hezbollah, but in these conflicts, Israel was always orders of magnitude more powerful than it's opponent. The Israeli government should have begun massively downsizing it's military, but it did not.
When you have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. When you have a huge military, every problem begins to look like one that should be solved by force. When you're country is led by dozens of ex-military and next to no one that was, say, ex-foreign ministry, macho man diplomacy becomes the rule. When you have a former commando negotiating prisoner swap with Palestinians rather than a former diplomat, you end up with commandos going in and rearresting the released prisoners. This incident is just once symptom of a larger problem. The Israeli government hasn't just fallen victim to the pressures of the military-industrial complex; it is the military-industrial complex.
" ... We see racist or anti-Semitic messages, very violent ... This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict"
That is because the Muslims are getting very bold in Europe
Proofs below -
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http://www.hoax-slayer.com/ima...
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/ima...
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/ima...
And if any of you in Europe think that you are safe, may God have mercy on you !
... go to Malaysia, where ***TRUE APARTHEID*** is still being practiced
Even the laws in Malaysia are codified with the spirit of Apartheid
Whereas the palestinian Hamas terrorism and the various shananigan and threat from the various neighbors of Israel (or at least political show off) is undeniable, Israel policy is not that innocent either : the colonizing settlement do certainly poison further the situation.
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Most Israel apologists keep wondering why there is more hate toward Israel than other groups like boko haram and ISIS.
The reason is simple, people in as much as are capable of great evil, hate hypocrisy, and when a group does to others what they cry was done unto them and demand that we should be sorry for them. Then most people see it for the hypocrisy that it truly is.
... control the media...
...apparently not well enough to let your BS through.
... then what's the problem?
"Moderators are assigned with the task of filtering comments in accordance with France's legal system ..."
The only concern on the table is whether the moderators are, indeed, complying with the law.
All the other stuff is just irrelevant noise.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Bit of history in the "creation" of the Palestinians (as they stand today): When Israel was formed and the Arab nations that surrounded it declared war, the Arab nations told the Arabs who lived in Israel: "Flee from Israel to us. When we drive Israel into the sea, we'll give you your land back."
Many fled, but not all. When Israel won the war, the Arabs who fled found they were blocked from returning. (Would you allow someone back if they supported the people who just tried to destroy you?) The Arabs who stayed, though, kept their land and businesses. Today, they (or their descendants) own businesses, are full citizens, and one even is on the Israeli Supreme Court.
The idea that Israel kicked the Palestinians out is completely false.
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Did anyone actually expect to read a single interesting comment on this article?
As opposed to hundreds of angry people pushing either one political view or the other?
Modérateurs ont supprimé ce commentaire.
Bullshit.
Jordan is majority Palestinian. Lebanon has a huge Palestinian minority.
They don't give the refugees citizenship, but the refugees generally aren't asking for citizenship. They're asking to be allowed to go home. And home is currently controlled by Israel (mostly in Israel proper, but the rest of the former mandate created a lot of foreign refugees, too).
... it's the poor-ass, scummy underclass muslims that infest urban France.
I've been there, and I've never seen so much consistent, low-level disrespect from people with brown skin in all my life. Their pores just ooze bigotry and racism. They only know how to hate. Nothing is ever their fault, and it's all the fault of the dirty white kuffars and Jews. This is a problem that France inflicted on itself in the Fifties, due to its greed for cheap labour -- at least until they deindustrialized, and no longer has need for workshy Third World scum.
And unfortunately, the only way it will be solved, is if they stoop to the same level as the arabs (or "arabs" (arabized blacks and berbers)). So things will get far worse, before they get better.
But refuses to take them BACK into their own countries.
FTFY
You can have my SIG when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
@Lowly AC: The "palestinians" are various personae-non-grata deported to the Israel area, from the various local arab governments. Dual benefits (1) an easy way to be rid of those local troublemaking dbags we're so sick of (2) giving the Israelis the headache of these now somehow "indigenous" troublemaking local dbags.
You can have my SIG when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
but there was no audio. Just a lot of other similar stories.
This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict. The war in Syria does not trigger these kinds of comments.
The war in Syria doesn't involve a nuclear state casually bulldozing civilian houses, complete with civilians inside, all because a handful of pesky terrorists keep lobbing ineffective bombs into empty fields.
Israel's problem really boils down to a matter of proportion. Yes, they have an unenviable situation to deal with; but they have chosen to respond in a way that makes them look like monsters (to the point that even many Jewish Israelis consider their government's behavior nothing short of reprehensible). When you cook ants with a magnifying glass, no one blames the ants, even if one or two do manage to sting you.
As for the FP's hypothetical French forum moderator - You count as part of the problem. When people can freely say things such as what I wrote above, they can contribute to the discussion, sometimes even vent a bit, and move on. When, however, fairly peaceful discussion vanishes under some bullshit pretense of racism - People then feel the need to escalate the impact of their few words making it through to other eyes.
Do you mind to define proportional?
Go IDF. Hunt down the Hamas terror group.
The western media and a lot of people react very peculiar.
Supporting the Hamas would be like supporting Al quaida. (Sp?)
Or the IRA. Or the basques terror groups. No one right in their head would do that.
But the terroristic, extremist, radicals of Hamas garner support? What the fuck?
Are people completely mad? They shot 12000 rockets into Israel, hundreds of suicide bombs, dug 1700 tunnels into Israel to attack from within, they take their own people as hostages, abuse humanitarian money to buy weapons and ammo, abuse their own people as meat shields and have the declared goal of genocide of every jew and misguided and deluded people in the west are still supporting them?????
What the actual fuck????
And no. They are not heroes and liberation fighters. They are just terroristic scum hellbent on causing as much damage and death as possible. Either Jews (to celebrate it.) or their own (to exploit it via propaganda)
There are ZERO reasons to support Hamas.
Perhaps it would be more worthwhile to compare the old Hamas charter from 1988 with the 1999 charter of Likud, the largest party in the Knesset and the party of the Israeli prime minister:
So your ass is going to take in Christians from Baghdad, right? RIGHT? Or lil' baby Jesus is going to smite your hypocrite ass.
Hitler must be your hero, ASSHOLE! (there is no other way to describe someone like you)
500,000 of the approx 800,000 civilians who fled the conflict did so 8 months before a single Arab soldier set foot in Palestine.
you are spouting hasbara that has long been discredited by Israeli historians such as Morris and Pappe
I don't know about the OP, but I have family who is at constant treat of extermination by Israel. What should I do?
Tell them to stop launching rockets at Israel, building tunnels to infiltrate bombers and kidnappers into Israel? Or if they are not doing it themselves, ask their next door neighbors who are doing it to stop it?
You know what is sad? You think I'm trolling, when actually I'm telling the truth. My immediate family was lucky to escape the region, but the rest of my family not so lucky and is under treat of Israel every day. People like you keep defending Israel, but they will not be able to act like they do forever and get away with it. Eventually something has got to give.
And if Hamas were not attacking Israel the rest of your family would not be under threat, and maybe we could be working on the political and economic disadvantages the rest of your family has to face. But as long as Hamas attacks Israel will respond and the rest of your family will be caught in the middle. Assuming of course that the rest of your family does not vote for Hamas, support Hamas, or actually participate as allies or members of Hamas -- yes, unlikely, but some of the civilians caught in the middle are supporters of Hamas.
THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open to the immigration of Jews from all countries of their dispersion; will promote the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; will be based on the precepts of liberty, justice and peace taught by the Hebrew Prophets; will uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed or sex; will guarantee full freedom of conscience, worship, education and culture; will safeguard the sanctity and inviolability of the shrines and Holy Places of all religions; and will dedicate itself to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
Was this written before or after Israel stole the homes and land of the Palestinians living there? Hypocrisy much?
They don't delete anti-Palestinian comments since these are legal. Comments against the massacre being performed by Israel are considered anti-Semitic and are, therefore, illegal. France is not alone in this, Germany is doing the same thing.
Israel is created by invaded a innocent country that was unable to defend itself. No a civilised act and not something that the rest of the world should ever accept. The Palestinians lost the war. Israeli civilians are now constantly being attacked by terrorists. The Palestinian civilians support, protect and allow these terrorists to operate. Palestinian civilians are being attacked by the Israeli military. Civilians on both sides are being targeted and murdered. Neither side has any sort of high moral ground in this and I have no sympathy for either side.
As far as I'm concerned, the best outcome would be for the rest of the world to just nuke the lot of them and move on.
There would still be plenty of other stupid wars to maintain our interest. We have uncivilised countries were people start murdering each other because that don't like the outcome of elections or over some ancient hatred but they have oil or some other useful resources that we want.
From mainstream news, you would think this is a conflict Muslim Palestinians and Jewish Israelis. While that element exists, there are a lot of Israelis who do not support the actions of their government. There are massive demonstrations in Israel right now and a very strong contingent of JATO (Jews Against The Occuppation)
http://countercurrentnews.com/...
In my opinion this is a conflict between pro-peace people and pro-war people.
Here’s the difference between us. We’re using missile defense to protect our civilians, and they’re using their civilians to protect their missiles.
-Benjamin Netanyahu
From the Hamas charter:
Well, how about your Torah:
1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "
Psalm 137: "Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us / He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."
Bit of history in the "creation" of the Palestinians (as they stand today): When Israel was formed and the Arab nations that surrounded it declared war, the Arab nations told the Arabs who lived in Israel: "Flee from Israel to us. When we drive Israel into the sea, we'll give you your land back."
Many fled, but not all.
Citation needed. From a reliable source. Not a "pro-Israeli" website.
ÃTHE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open to the immigration of Jews from all countries of their dispersionÃ
Thank you for providing proof that Israel discriminates against anyone that is not a jew.
That doesn't prove what you claim. At most it proves that they are open to Jewish refugees from around the world. Don't you think that makes sense for the Jewish state? Now the many (40+?) Islamic states, on the other hand, .....
Ok.
Syria has a bunch of highly (US/EU) armed rebels running around, both Syria and the rebels cause significant collateral damage because both are fighting in residential areas with advanced, but when you have two factions with some sort of proportional force we call this a war.
As for Israel we have a fully modern army destroying entire residential blocks (and killing anyone in range) because there might be a terrorist or three there, this is at least as bad as what Russia did in the war in Tchetchnia (and yes they also dropped pamphlets before attacking), and back then even some sloths inside the UN considered that a genocide.
The censorship happens all around western world. I'm censored in many spanish news sites that happen to allow comments just on banal headlines, and just sometimes on important matters. They don't allow comments on news regarding inmigration or islam. News site don't think it is politically correct to allow comments on this. But they keep publishing we live in a democracy. THere is no democracy, but total manipulation. People is fed up with inmigration problems but no one is able to speak this loud. Censorship is today as worse as hollywood movies portrait it in Nazi Germany
One problem is that while the french government (and therefore the mainstream medias) supports Israel, most french people consider palestinian people as the victims.
Maybe, if you could say the word Israel... without being called an anti-semite....
This entire conflict is Evil... it doesn't matter, if one side is Jewish and the other side is Islam...
It has nothing to do with that...
Having said that... the Israeli apartheid state needs a wake up call... because they are doing what the south african's did before them.
And, yes I am going there... and what the Nazis did before that.
One can definitely say the word 'Israel' - without being called an anti-Semite.
One does have to however keep the conflict in context, and recognize what's being done here. The latest Israeli attack came after the abduction & murder of 3 Israeli teens. The Palis got a state that they wanted - there are no Jews in Gaza, nor in some major cities that the Palis claim - Bethlehem, Hebron, Jerico or Nablus. All this should be good enough for them. But no, terror attacks on Israel continue, and this one happened due to the murders.
It would have been, had all they been interested in was a state. What they - and their Arab/Muslim comrades worldwide are interested in is not merely their state, but the eradication of the Jewish one. They'd want in its place an Arab state, where Jews live like other minorities in other Arab/Muslim countries - be it Copts in Egypt, Melkites in Lebanon, Chaldeans in Iraq, Christians in Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia.... that list goes on. They want to live in a state like it was in the Middle Ages, like the Sultanates of Egypt, or the Ottoman Empire - the historical Islamic entities that ruled the place. But if one wants to go back in history, why stop there - why not go to how it was before the Roman conquests? The history of the world is full of countries whose borders were redrawn as a result of war. Should Germany get back Alsace & Lorraine, as well as the Western half of Poland? Should Poland get back large areas of Belarus and re-create the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth? Should Turkey get back everything it lost in World War I? If not, why just look at Israel?
The key to identifying the real intentions of the Arabs is to ask them about the 'right of return'. Under this, Arabs from that region who have now lived 2-3 generations in other countries - KSA, Emirates, Qatar, Egypt, Libya, Syria, et al - would get to return to Israel. Where else on earth is that even negotiable? Would Russia, which supports anti-Israeli regimes like in Iran & Syria, tolerate it if the Germans demanded back Kaliningrad (Koenigsburg) or if the Finns demanded Karelia or the Japanese Sakhalin? Would the Pakis or Bangladeshis tolerate it if descendants of Hindus who lived there before the partition of the sub-continent demanded the 'right of return'? As a rule of thumb, if you and your family has lived the last 2-3 generations in a country, you are, or should be, a citizen of that country. And here, we're talking about Pali Arabs, who are ethnically similar enough to their comrades in Syria, Jordan, Egypt, KSA, Iraq, Emirates, Yemen, et al to be able to assimilate and identify themselves as Syrians, Jordanians, et al.
So once one uses the same yardstick that's used for other conflicts worldwide and then judge the combatants, then it's fair to judge Israel w/o being called an anti-Semite. The anti-Semite question comes in when people blindly support the Pali side, or draw a moral equivalence b/w the 2, not knowing any better. Recognize this conflict for what it is, and then under that framework, if you think that the Israelis are at fault, by all means...
Actually, the reason people are quiet about Syria is that it's a Taqfeer war i.e. a war b/w different groups of Muslims. That's why there hasn't been an unanimous opinion one side or the other. The US vs Russia/China angle is an extension of that conflict.
Assad's Syria, like Saddam's Iraq, is a unique case in the Arab empire. Unlike the Arab Spring revolutions in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt which happened in homogeneous countries where the dictator belonged to the same ethnic group as the majority, it was different in the 2 Baath countries. In Iraq, Saddam led a Sunni minority regime that suppressed the majority Shias, while in Syria, Hafez Assad, the current president's predecessor & father, led an Alawite minority regime that suppressed the majority Sunnis. In both cases, it was important to the survival of the minority groups that the regime stay in power, since in Muslim countries, the idea of 'live & let live' is non existent when it comes to rival Muslim groups. If the Sunnis in Iraq didn't try killing Shia, they'd be persecuted themselves. Same goes w/ the Alawites & Shias in Syria. Incidentally, this also answers why Saddam & Assad, despite both being Baathist dictators & pro-Soviet rulers, hated each other and supported each other's enemies.
So unlike in Tunisia, Libya & Egypt, where we now have as close to democratic regimes as can be expected in an Arab, if not Muslim, country, in Syria, it hasn't happened. Why? B'cos the various ethnic groups that owe their protection to the regime - Alawites, Shia, Druze, Kurds, et al would stand to get massacred if the Assads lose power. In case one doubts it, one can look at the massacres that happened in Hama and Aleppo when the Sunni rebels had taken control of those cities. So those groups are not unjustified, from a survival standpoint, in supporting the Baathist regime.
The geopolitical extensions of the conflict are locally along sectarian lines, and more globally along the lines of their respective supporters. The Baathist regime had been a supporter of Iran from 1979, since this regime was Alawite & that one Shia. In the 80s, Syria was a strategic country in the region, bordering Lebanon, and thereby being Iran's connection to Hizbullah. After the fall of the Soviets, the equation turned, w/ Syria becoming a client state of Iran. Once the US replaced Saddam w/ a 'democracy', it ended up giving a gift to Iran, since democracy in Islamic countries means a majority dictatorship, which is there in both Iraq & Afghanistan. As a result, there is now the Shiite crescent of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Hizbullah in Lebanon. This is what the Saudi led Sunni coalition, which includes KSA, Qatar, Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood of Syria, Egypt & Jordan, is trying to disrupt.
Now, behind these countries are their respective allies. Russia, which has fought Sunni insurgencies in Chechnya and afaik even Tatarstan, and has watched Serbia come under another Sunni onslaught from Bosnia and Kosovo, has thrown its lot w/ Iran. Also, both Iran and Syria are the largest customers of both Russian and Chinese weaponry, left over from the Cold War. The fall of Libya disrupted Russian arms sales a great deal, which is why they're fighting tooth & nail to make sure that nothing happens to Assad.
The West is allowing the Saudis to lead them here, just like they let Egypt lead them in support of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war in the 80s. While it's stupid, there is a silver lining to all of this.
The silver lining is that Jihadis, who'd normally be causing mayhem elsewhere, are converging on Syria to back up their respective sides. This is a welcome development. Hizbullah has been quiet on the Israeli front, not just b'cos of the pummeling they took last time, but also b'cos if the Syrian regime falls, a Sunni regime in Syria would target Lebanon, which Syria regards as a part of itself, and that would mean the end of Hizbullah. The Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, which is
It is self evident that killing people will make enemies of their families. [...] If you came and killed my child I would not report those trying to kill you to the police or army. I would do everything I could to support those trying to kill you. As I said above, it is self evident that the Palistinian survivors of this will do everything they can to kill Israelis in the future.
You can not be an enemy if you are dead. This idea that you would get revenge is silly.
This conflict will end because one side will die. The sooner this happens, the lower the body count. (the number of dead can greatly exceed the total population if the conflict drags on for generations)
Are somehow defending the apartheid declaration by comparing it to non-apartheid multicultural countries where citizens are treated equally good or bad?
The Koran and the hadiths brim over with hatred for the jews.
Let's see what the Bible has to say about the Jews:
Looks like early Christians weren't to happy about Jews that refused to convert either. Does this mean that the US, France, and UK hate Israel? No, in fact, they supply Israel's armies with state-of-the-art weaponry. While I won't deny that antisemitism is rampant in Egypt, Syria, and other Arab countries, it is not because of what is stated in the Koran. It is because many Muslims were booted from their lands by Jewish settlers in the first half of the 20th century. This doesn't mean that invading the country in 1948 was an appropriate response, or that shooting rockets into Israel now is an appropriate response, but suggesting that the conflict is a result of Islam is xenophobic. And false.
Right, so according to you the years 637 AD - 1948 AD are a myth and Muslims never lived in modern day Israel. Haifa, Beersheba, etc. just conveniently popped out of the ground when Israeli settlers began streaming in. You can live in your fantasy world if you like, but please stop spewing this mentally deficient rhetoric all over this site.
Disregarding that those are coming from a site called "Hoax Slayer", the pictures themselves are presented without context. Come on man, they could be taken anywhere
Isn't anti-Semitism a subset of racism? Why not just say "We see racist messages" or "We see anti-Semitic messages"?
LOL except for the "present absentees" who's land had be taken by the state to be leased back to Jews only. All non Jews in Israel were subject to martial law until 1966, probably the only reason it was lifted was because Israel was planning to start colonizing the West Bank and didn't want to look all apartheid like inside its "old borders" ...
Getting the world to equate being anti-Israeli with being anti-semitic was a central strategy in the new Israeli state's international policy - one of Israel's first ambassadors (I *think* Israel's first ambassador to the US, Eliyahu Eilat) openly admitted as much when interviewed on the BBC by Michael Parkinson, saying that he regarded his success in that field as the crowning achievement of his career. And in the US in particular, that's hardly exactly been weakened by the degree to which the influential Jewish lobby has consistently demanded that successive governments of every political persuasion back Israel to the hilt, whatever its excesses and however odious its behaviour.
However. There's a biblical saying about reaping what you sow (New Testament, mind - so not necessarily familiar to Israeli politicians, which is perhaps a pity). Put otherwise: equations work two ways. If you want the unthinking, great unwashed to think of "Israel" and "Jewish" as the same thing when the consequences suit you... ...good luck with trying to convince them that's not the case when you'd rather they understood the distinction.
France is a puppet state and has always been one since the guillotine "revolution" in 1789 toppled catholicism. Their people never woke up, not even in 1870 and 1940, when such ascendancy influence led them to utter and total military defeat and national humiliation. In recent decades the frenchies gifted the zionist regime a complete nuclear reactor for atomic bomb production (Dimona, 1959) and seven torpedo speedboats that were used to attack USS Liberty later on and about 100 Mirage fighter-bomber jets, which "mysteriously disappeared" from the french island of Corsica to turn up in Haifa... No wonder any criticism from any small sentient sliver of conscious population must be suppressed. French gov't is opposed to people learning and using english and other foreign languages, so their populace cannot communicate such grievances with the outside world.
When you are a palestinian resistance fighter, Santa Claus seldom arrives, only rarely a a bag with a few bricks of czech Semtex (*) and some second hand AK-47 from Eastern Europe. It's mostly homemade rockets made of chimney pipes and black powder. When you are a chosenite warrior, it's Boxing Day all year, a tank battalion in this box, two squadrons of american made fighter jets in that one, a submarine fleet from Germany in another, all for free, complete with a few billion barrels of free oil to keep them going.
(* Czech's Semtex contribution happened when the zionists downed a czech-slovakian CSA airlines Il-62 plane in plain sight, killing 118 pax and laughed at Prague, claiming US support makes them invulnerable and immune to compensation claims. They were a bit suprised to find that undetectable explosives exist and "arab monkeys" could be trained to use them effectively.)
the actions of the Jewish State. Unless of course we ignore the fact that it is the Jewish State and that the war crimes are being committed by (almost 100%) Jewish People in the name of Jewish People and supported by most Jewish People on the planet.
OK world, WAKE UP!
Semitic peoples incude the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
Yeah, read and understand. Arabs are SEMITES too. Palestinians are Arabs. That means PALESTINIANS are SEMITES too. So, how does supporting PALESTINIAN rights make one an 'anti-semite'? Not possible.
Also, this is all senseless Semite on Semite abuse. Shame on you all. Remember Abraham. Put down the weapons and LEARN TO SHARE AND TREAT YOUR NEIGHBOR WELL.
Here are the facts:
1. Between 1600's and 1900's there was roughly only 8% Jew in the land of Palestine. Even back to biblical times there was never a majority of Jew in the land. NEVER.
e.g. "Year Arab Population Jewish Population
1600 250,000 5,000
1850 480,000 17,000
1890 530,000 43,000
1922 590,000 84,000
1931 760,000 174,000
1939 900,000 450,000
1948 980,000 650,000
1954 192,000 1,530,000
1969 423,000 2,500,000
1989 843,000 3,700,000
1997 1,120,000 4,640,000"
http://www.torah.org/learning/...
see also:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar...
2. In late 1800's the Jew decided that they would create racist Jew only state on the land which had been and still was mainly inhabited by non-Jewish people.
E.g. "Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in EretzIsrael secured under public law. The Congress contemplates the following means to the attainment of this end:
A. The promotion by appropriate means of the settlement in Eretz-Israel of Jewish farmers, artisans, and manufacturers.
B. The organization and uniting of the whole of Jewry by means of appropriate institutions, both local and international, in accordance with the laws of each country.
C. The strengthening and fostering of Jewish national sentiment and national consciousness.
D. Preparatory steps toward obtaining the consent of governments, where necessary, in order to reach the goals of Zionism."
https://www.jewishvirtuallibra...
3. As a result of the Jew actions to commit this Demographic Genocide, by all means foul and fair, many Arabs fled their homes and land and now live in the Gaza, West Bank, surrounding Arab countries and elsewhere and are correctly called refugees.
4. The Jew did not allow the refugees to return to the land as is their responsibility because the aim was and is to create a Jew only racist state on the land of Palestine/Greater Israel.
5. The refugees have the right to return to the land and to live as equal citizens, with the Jew, in peace, under the law in the land.
6. They do not have the right to expel the Jew who has purposefully created "facts on the ground" which would lead to a humanitarian crisis should they be removed and would form yet another Ethnic Cleansing/Genocide.
7. Until the refugees (and their descendents) are allowed to return to live as equal citizens on the land, they will continue to violently oppose their expulsion from and the occupation of their land, as is their right. That is the true self-defence here, by the way. When the Palestinians attack "Israel", that is self-defence. It is defence of their land. When the "Israelis" attack, that is not self-defence. You cannot be the aggressor from the outset and then claim that you are acting in self-defence.
You see, it is very simple. The Jew stole the land and kicked out the non-Jewish population. Now the Jew says that they want to "have peace". Well what do they mean by peace? What they mean is the following: We want to be able to steal your land, all of it, to disallow you to return to your land, to mistreat you, to kill you, to kill your children, and we want you to give us peace in return.
That is what they mean by the word "peace", it is very different to what non-Jewish people think the word means.
Do you really not understand the difference between a foundational legal text for an armed movement and a religious text for a faith?
Here, let's spell it out for you: a foundational legal text sets the policy of the armed movement. In the case of Hamas, the policy is to work towards the destruction of Israel. A religious text does not set the policy of the country or countries of the faith's adherents. So the State of Israel does not have a policy of destruction of Amalek even though it's in the Torah. Not least because there aren't any Amalekites.
Do you also have trouble distinguishing your arse from your elbow?
"This is not war. This is not a justified use of appropriate force. This is shooting fish in the barrel and, quantity aside, is disgustingly like what the Germans did to the Jews in WW2."
So did Jews in Germany declare publically that the German state had no right to exist? Then follow through by launch military grade hardware attacks, which percipitated the German attacks?
Do you also have trouble distinguishing your arse from your elbow?
I was going to respond to you seriously until I saw that.
For the benefit of any intelligent people who might be reading this, the "Hamas Charter" is one of Frank Luntz' talking points for the right-wing "The Israel Project," where he tells pro-settler supporters to keep repeating it, because it tested well in the polls.
In fact, Hamas had other documents that set those statements aside, and Ahmed Jabari, head of Hamas's military wing, who negotiated the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange, was communicating with Israelis and preparing a long-term peace agreement with Israel in 2012, when the Israelis assassinated him with a missile attack on a car he was riding in.
If there's one thing Netanyahu doesn't want, it's peace with Hamas. Then he'd have to deal with the settlements. Now (not sometime in the vague future, as Luntz tells him to do).
There's a long list of Palestinians who took risks for peace and were killed by Israel.
Reading these posts show the depths in which our education system has fallen.
How many rockets lobbed by Germany into France would it take before France retaliates?
Israel actually lives with Syrians (now called Palestinians) in their own state, and those Palestinians have seats on the Knesset.
Israel has not called for the Genocide of the Palestinians, but Hamas and Palestinians call for the annihilation of not just Israelis but all Jews.
Palestinian leadership refuses to let Palestinian civilians go to Israeli aid stations and hospitals.
Palestinian leadership hide and fire their ordnance from hospitals and schools. Palestinians user their civilians, women and children, as literal shields as they fire at the IDF.
Israel accepted the Egyptian peace negotiation while Palestinians did not. After a day of missile attacks Israel moved back to active action.
I am not even going into the history of the region form 1900's to present, and still I have no clue as to how Israel is the bad guy in this fight.
The context of that Titus quote is:
10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[c] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
From my reading, it sounds like those being talked about are Christians who are paying too much attention to what the Jews say, not the Jews themselves. You might recall that most all the books of the New Testament after Acts were letters written to certain congregations telling them to "hold firm in the faith" and advising them what their stumbling blocks were.
And then the Revelation passage is about those who falsely claim to be Jews, not True Scotsmen^WJews.
Not that I'm saying anything about current politics (in this post) but Jesus' attitude towards nonbelievers was usually one of pity and desire to convert. He did complain about obstinate ("stiff-necked") people, too, though.
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Review, Refine. Rewrite Quran/Torah.
And amend https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... to encourage inter-faith marriages.
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I will not tell you what I think about the Hamas. Just listem to what son or one of Hamas founders has to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakxXN5Z-XI
Wait a minute. You have in-depth context and knowledge, and yet you deliberately choose to quote from the Torah as though it's an equivalent document to the Hamas charter? Yet you go on to talk about other people's propaganda? That is not exactly a principled stand now, is it? It makes you seem fairly duplicitous.
There are indeed some elements within Hamas that are pragmatic, and some of them have been killed for their pragmatism (and not only by the Israelis, either). But they are not exactly a dominant force within the movement, which overall is still ideologically committed to the destruction of Israel.
I really cannot for the life of me understand why someone who clearly knows about this conflict would quote Torah as an equivalent to the Hamas charter. It makes no sense. You were obviously going to be called on it.
On a number of sites (especially thelocal.se) in Sweden, the recent denial of appeal for WikiLeaks' Julian Assange generated an extraordinary amount of negative response to the Swedish courts and government, yet checking back a short time later, I would find these comments all deleted, and this was the case repeatedly.
For any still clueless about this situation, please read:
http://www.nnnn.se/nordic/assa...
Recently, a legal action by Wikileaks was invoked against the FBI in Denmark, which is illegally conducting activities there without the consent of the Danish government --- which is against the law.
Because it is as accurate to claim that the Hamas Charter represents Hamas' unchangeable views as it is to claim 1 Samuel represents Jewish unchangeable views.
The Republican pollster Frank Luntz in his The Israel Project memo popularized the idea of promoting the Hamas Charter as the literal beliefs of Hamas today. If you read his memo you'll see he says that you shouldn't say things because they're true, but because they'll convince people. One of Luntz' students became an Israeli citizen and is now Israel's ambassador to the US.
Hamas has made repeated peace offers to Israel, and they've been repeatedly rejected. Ahmed Jabari was head of Hamas' military wing, had arranged the Giliad Shalat exchange, and was in charge of keeping the non-Hamas militant movements under control when Hamas was trying to keep a cease-fire with Israel. Jabari was working on a permanent peace agreement with Israel, and had just received the final draft, when the Israelis killed him with an air-to-surface missile in his car. That was no accident. The Israelis didn't want peace, because then they'd have to give up the settlements.
Quoting the Hamas Charter to prove that you can't make peace with Hamas is one of Luntz' strategies to avoid dealing with the facts. Luntz tells his clients that they should lie, and they do.
That is a spectacularly half-baked justification. The Hamas charter is not some remote document. It was written about 30 years ago. It is hardly at odds with Hamas thinking.
Everything about this situation is contested. Your picture of Ahmed Jabari as a peacemaker belies what is, to put it mildly, a more complex picture. He orchestrated not only the release of Gilad Shalit, but his capture as well. At the time of his death, there had been a very large escalation in rocket attacks by Hamas on Israel, which is at least as plausible a factor as to his targeting as his role in peacemaking.
The charter remains of importance because it is wildly unlikely to be modified in the foreseeable future, and it won't be modified because it is supported in its current state, and in its current state it calls for the destruction of Israel. Not all of Hamas may be irrevocably committed to the destruction of Israel, but a large part is.
And I for one couldn't give a hairy fuck about Frank Luntz, and am not one of his clients.
Get real. There are not very many people trapped in Gaza compared with the population of Israel and they have very little in the way of resources. That ghetto is no threat and the current episode of shooting fish in a barrel just happens to coincide with an election, just like the last time.
There is no threat to Israel's survival from that quarter and I find it disgusting that you are insulting everyone's intelligence by spewing propaganda along those lines.
Your extreme example of somehow Hamas magically becoming more powerful than Israel, or even remotely comparable, is an utterly ridiculous fantasy.
it is awful to consider that Jewish people in Israel are today doing the same thing to others that they suffered in the not so distant past
Oh, I didn't realize that Israel was systematically exterminating other ethnic groups, by the millions, in gas chambers. Thanks for enlightening me.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
In fact Hamas are awful shots: the thousands of rockets that have been launched into Israel, while roughly aimed at civilian population centers, are unguided. As such, most of them fall on unpopulated land and Iron Dome doesn't bother intercepting them.
I call BS on your assertion that "the vast majority of Palestinian casualties have been civilians." Can you cite a reliable source?
I thought you had started keeping your company to those too stupid and racist to see that your eliminationist propaganda falls apart at the merest scrutiny.
Hey, racist fool, you're responding to a post that debunked the propaganda point you're trying to use. Not only were those rockets not fired by Hamas, but Hamas were the ones who arrested those who did.
Hey, racist fool, does that mean that Tel Aviv should be leveled in the same way as Gaza, because of murders committed by squatters in the West Bank, Jerusalem, and everywhere by the IDF? As the occupying power, Israel would be responsible.
Hey, racist fool, by your own reasoning any violence against Jews in the Middle East doesn't count, because far more Jews live in the United States. Which racist, genocidal flag flies over you house, cold fjord?
Report them to the IDF? Are you insane? If you came and killed my child I would not report those trying to kill you to the police or army. I would do everything I could to support those trying to kill you.
That's a very bad analogy. It has led you to the wrong conclusion, as bad analogies often do.
A far better analogy: I live in Bellingham, Washington, and my government, the United States Government, stockpiles rockets in my child's school and starts firing them over the border into residential areas of Vancouver, British Columbia, for no good reason. To try to stop the rocket attacks, Canada launches some airstrikes on Bellingham.
In this situation, I would be completely ashamed of my government, the United States Government, and I would be rooting for the Canadians, because I'm a civilized person.
And then if the airstrikes failed to stop the rocket attacks, and Canadian troops arrived in Bellingham, you bet I'd help them find the jerks launching the rockets.
And if the Canadians dropped leaflets begging civilians to evacuate the school before they bomb the rocket-launching site, I would have even more admiration for the Canadians, because that type of concern for civilians is nearly unprecedented in warfare.
And if American leaders called those evacuation warning leaflets "psychological warfare, and urged people to stay put," my disgust for my own government would multiply.
And if my child was killed because a school administrator obeyed the duplicitous order to stay put, would I suddenly lose my grip on logic and rationality, and lash out at the Canadians? Nope. My anger would be entirely directed at the Americans who instigated this conflict.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
If only Israeli army had a free hand, Gaza could have been CLEAN and SMOOTH of your brothers and sisters. But don't worry, we'll do that when time comes.
and by the way, if you are in US asshole, then you should know that USA is the most apartheid state ever existed. Remember how US massacred 12 MILLION Native Americans since 1492 ?
and killing millions in Vietnam, in Japan...killing inside US those who oppose FDA, criminals like Monsanto Corp....
I'm surprised they're not just arresting everyone for saying socially unpopular things.
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