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OKCupid Experiments on Users Too

With recent news that Facebook altered users' feeds as part of a psychology experiment, OKCupid has jumped in and noted that they too have altered their algorithms and experimented with their users (some unintentional) and "if you use the Internet, you’re the subject of hundreds of experiments at any given time, on every site. That’s how websites work." Findings include that removing pictures from profiles resulted in deeper conversations, but as soon as the pictures returned appearance took over; personality ratings are highly correlated with appearance ratings (profiles with attractive pictures and no other information still scored as having a great personality); and that suggesting a bad match is a good match causes people to converse nearly as much as ideal matches would.

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  1. Flash panic by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    World discovers A/B testing
    Freaks out
    Until the next reality tv show comes on

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    1. Re:Flash panic by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 5, Insightful

      World discovers A/B testing
      Freaks out
      Until the next reality tv show comes on

      When we (academics) do experiments on people however trivial we usually have to go through ethical clearance, get informed consent etc. I think its skipping that part that people are uncomfortable about. Of course that happens every day in the business world (and even did before computer scientists rediscovered basic experiments and called it A/B testing), but in some of these cases it does start to look like an academic psychology experiment. Perhaps use of OK Cupid implies consent to be experimented on but I doubt that consent is collected in a transparent way.

    2. Re:Flash panic by taustin · · Score: 3

      It's hard to imagine how anyone could find this to be scientific experimentation, rather than some random crap done in hopes of finding a way to sell more advertising.

  2. A/B Testing by Mr+Z · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't that what A/B testing is all about?

  3. OKC started as a science project by slaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The people who run OKC were a bunch of statistics nerds. It runs (ran, anyway) on a custom web server that performs a lot of real time analysis. Their blog is chock full of incredibly detailed information about their users. This shouldn't be news to anyone who has even the slightest clue as to how OKCupid actually works.

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    1. Re: OKC started as a science project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      OKCupid was sold to the owners of match.com a long time ago. When that happened the best blog post that they wrote (Why you shouldn't pay for online dating) was taken down, and the blog itself hasn't been updated (not counting the entry this articles about) since April of 2011.

    2. Re: OKC started as a science project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here you go:
      https://web.archive.org/web/20...
      Yeah the blog title sais everything: Communist Inc, which doesn't want to make money, gets swallowed by Monster money Corp, which makes money.

  4. Re:what? by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No. It's what some unethical douche bags do. it has nothing to do with how websites work, asshole.

    Anyone who has ever:
    a) taken any metrics about there site
    a) altered their website in any way
    b) measured whether or not it made any difference

    Change the font? Rewriting the sales pitch? Moving the photo to the left? Changing the checkout sequence? Showing more or fewer related products? Added bitcoin as a payment option? Offered a discount? Let you checkout without registering? Adjusted your online advertising budget or changed the keywords you were paying for or targeted a new demographic or region...

    Do any or all of those one at a time, checking whether sales increased or not... congrats you effectively "experimented" on your users.

    Whether or not it is insidious or unethical doesn't depend on "did you or did you not experiment" it depends on what EXACTLY you've been doing.

    Me, I've noticed that people tend to click on articles that are finite lists of things. Hypothetically take an article called "Retirement Savings Strategies Everyone should know" gets fewer clicks than "7 retirement savings strategies everyone should know".

    The only change is the addition of the number 7.

    The internet has gradually been replaced by "X Y's" articles, because it gets more clicks, as this has become increasingly "discovered" by people "experimenting" on users with different headline styles.

    The only upside is that I can safely ignore any "news" site with more than 1 article that starts with a count in the title, as containing nothing more than processed brain diarrhea.

  5. OKC's match algos suck by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Findings include that ... suggesting a bad match is a good match causes people to converse nearly as much as ideal matches would.

    All this means is that OKC's match algorithms suck: there's only a weak correlation between match scores and real-world compatibility (like with every other dating site).

  6. This is different from what Facebook did by nikhilhs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    FB's experiment was to see if they could alter the mood of their user. OKC tried to see if they could get more conversations going. Intent matters. OKC's is fairly harmless. FB's experiment could have a ripple effect and cause negative consequences.

  7. Marketing by Bo'Bob'O · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact is that the experiment they Facebook conducted was mild to what other corporations do every day under the umbrella of "marketing".

    They use control groups and try every trick they can to manipulate your mood, feelings, impressions of their products. They carefully script interactions to take advantage of your feelings and social norms. Also take the recent example in the past few weeks of the scripts that Verizon's 'account retention' departments use to try and wedge people into keeping their account longer. Those weren't just thrown together, those were made with careful research and years of experiments on customers and focus groups.

    The only difference with what Facebook did and the rest do is that they shared their results with everyone. Was Facebook Unethical manipulating people the way they did? I think so, and I'm only less interested in the service after that scandal, but what they got them in trouble was sharing it with the rest of the world in a way that might have also done some honest good. Now they will learn from their mistakes, keep it to themselves, and use that research purely to manipulate people for higher profit and no one will say a thing.

  8. Your grocery store experiments on you ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That probably depends upon whether you consider the terms of use of the online service, grocery store loyalty card, casino player's card, etc to be transparent. Those terms of use that no one reads.

    There is also consent by action. The casino does A/B testing by offering some a $40 steak dinner plus $40 in chips while it offers others $80 in chips. You clicked on the advertisement/offer, or you opened the envelope that arrived in your postal mail, etc.

    Similarly the coupons a grocery store offers you are often part of an experiment. Hell, changing the items on the isle end caps are sometimes part of an experiment.

    My marketing processor thought that grocery store loyalty cards were the greatest invention ever in the history of marketing. The data collected and opportunity for experiments enormous.

    1. Re:Your grocery store experiments on you ... by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One of those standards involves informed consent.

      Which instantly makes any kind of unbiassed behavioral research impossible.

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  9. Re:Shallow people will be shallow by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    or perhaps all people are shallow.

  10. Re:Shallow people will be shallow by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    "A walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet".
              - Deteriorata

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  11. Facebook evil, OKC less bad experiments by billstewart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Facebook's experiments bother me more than OKCupid's. They're deliberately manipulating which news stories their readers see in order to affect their mood, and seeing how that affects the readers' behavior. That seems mean and dishonest. (Of course, I didn't know Facebook had news, so I'm not in their target market anyway, but it still seems mean.)

    OKCupid's a dating site, which means that all their "compatibility" scores are pretty much guesswork anyway, assisted by a lot of measurement, so an occasional suggestion of "maybe you two should see if you want to date" to people they normally wouldn't match up isn't that much perturbation of their approach anyway, and "whoops, pictures are broken, why don't you try talking first instead of just looking at pictures" is just fine, and both of them give them a bit of data outside the ranges they'd normally be collecting from - perhaps there are people that would get along well who they haven't been matching up. (I'm not in their market either, fortunately.)

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