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Psychology's Replication Battle

An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from Slate: Psychologists are up in arms over, of all things, the editorial process that led to the recent publication of a special issue of the journal Social Psychology. This may seem like a classic case of ivory tower navel gazing, but its impact extends far beyond academia. ... Those who oppose funding for behavioral science make a fundamental mistake: They assume that valuable science is limited to the "hard sciences." Social science can be just as valuable, but it's difficult to demonstrate that an experiment is valuable when you can't even demonstrate that it's replicable. ...Given the stakes involved and its centrality to the scientific method, it may seem perplexing that replication is the exception rather than the rule. The reasons why are varied, but most come down to the perverse incentives driving research. Scientific journals typically view "positive" findings that announce a novel relationship or support a theoretical claim as more interesting than "negative" findings that say that things are unrelated or that a theory is not supported. The more surprising the positive finding, the better, even though surprising findings are statistically less likely to be accurate."

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  1. Easy to measure versus important by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Psychologists are up in arms

    Perhaps they need some therapy :-)

    a fundamental mistake: They assume that valuable science is limited to the "hard sciences."

    Software engineering has a similar problem. Things that are objective to measure, such as code volume (lines of code) are often only part of the picture. The psychology of developers (perception, etc.), especially during maintenance, plays a big role, but is difficult and expensive to objectively measure.

    Thus, arguments break out about whether to focus on parsimony or on "grokkability". Some will also argue that if your developers can't read parsimony-friendly code, they should be fired and replaced with those who can. This gets into tricky staffing issues as sometimes a developer is valued for their people skills or domain (industry) knowledge even if they are not so adept at "clever" code.

    Thus, the "my code style can beat up your style" fights involve both easy-to-measure "solid" metrics and very difficult-to-measure factors about staffing, side knowledge, people skills, corporate politics, economics, etc.

    1. Re:Easy to measure versus important by tomhath · · Score: 3, Funny

      should both validate the idea

      Over the years we've heard that a good Waterfall process was the magic bullet with Data Flow Diagrams documenting everything before a line of code is written.. . No wait, it's Object Oriented Analysis/Design that will save the day...but no, that didn't work either - but Service Oriented Architecture is the way to go. The latest fad is whatever book sold well recently; none of it is based on any metrics or real science.

  2. "less likely to be accurate" by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's a surprise.

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  3. WTF? by Oidhche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's difficult to demonstrate that an experiment is valuable when you can't even demonstrate that it's replicable

    Duh. That's because an experiment that is not replicable has *no* value.

    1. Re:WTF? by Oligonicella · · Score: 4, Informative

      Recording supernovae

      Not an experiment.

      Dissecting passenger pigeons

      Not an experiment.

      Studying the medical complications of Thalidomide babies

      You got one.

      Any scientific analysis of an event which occurred once may not be directly replicable.

      Actually the analysis can be replicated ad nauseam.

    2. Re:WTF? by sexconker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      None of those are experiments. Experiments test hypothesis. You have to specifically DO something to test your claim and NOT do other things for control for it to be an experiment.

    3. Re:WTF? by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You have to specifically DO something to test your claim and NOT do other things for control for it to be an experiment.

      But in that case the word "experiment" has been defined so narrowly it's no longer the sole validator of scientific theory. For example, General Relativity predicted that light would be affected by Sun's gravitational field, which was later observed during a solar eclipse, which is a naturally occurring event.

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  4. Not Just Psychology by jamesl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reasons why are varied, but most come down to the perverse incentives driving research. Scientific journals typically view "positive" findings that announce a novel relationship or support a theoretical claim as more interesting than "negative" findings ...

    This applies to all science, not just psychology.

  5. Re:Freud's problem too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When psychologists stop producing so many studies with obvious bias, subjective terminology, subjective conclusions, and stop arbitrarily coming to conclusions based on data flawed for those reasons, maybe it could be taken seriously. Obviously, replication is needed, too.

    But so many people are fooled by it. Want a study that says video games cause people to be aggressive? There's a psychology study for you, but there's also one for your opponents. And all of them are bad science.

  6. So, it's not a science, it's a religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Falling into the 'cult' category

  7. Who writes this crap by awol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Those who oppose funding for behavioral science make a fundamental mistake: They assume that valuable science is limited to the "hard sciences." Social science can be just as valuable, but it's difficult to demonstrate that an experiment is valuable when you can't even demonstrate that it's replicable."

    No, those of us that oppose the funding of this crap recognise that if you cannot replicate your "study" then it is not an experiment. If what you are doing cannot be proved (one way or the other) by experiment then IT IS NOT SCIENCE. I don't really care what it gets called and some of it may even be valuable for some values of valuable however the amount of dross that is produce by social researchers that try and call themselves scientists is truly extraordinary and a plague on our world.

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    1. Re:Who writes this crap by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The above comment is precisely why these "social sciences" need to be delegitimised and rubber-roomed until they can figure out the meaning of the phrase "scientific method". Grant them no authority in deciding government policy, massively defund them in academia, get them out of the courtrooms, and generally pillory them for the witchdoctors they are.

      If you have to ask why, you're part of the problem.

  8. Re:Freud's problem too by sjwt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yup, like the recent one about men not being able to 'be alone with their own thouhgs'..

    That same data can also read 'Men, more willing to put up with pain' or 'Men, more curious and want to know what they may experience'

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  9. The problem with soft science experiments by PPalmgren · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are plenty of good psychology experiments/case studies that produce a lot of really useful information and are repeatable (albeit over a very long period of time). The problem is there are also a lot of complete and utter ass psychology experiments. It is really really hard to produce a good study that provides useful results in soft sciences, and in cases of psychology, they take a very long time and sometimes a lot of money to complete. Yes, they have to account for a lot of variables and exclude them via statistical analysis, but the ones that do it right do it exceptionally well.

    I used to think negatively on those types of studies until I actually took the time to read one while helping my girlfriend with a paper. I was amazed at the level of detail and the amount of effort they took to isolate the results into meaningful data.