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US Intelligence Wants Tools To Tell: Who's the Smartest of Them All?

coondoggie writes Can a tool or technology be applied to the brain and accurately predict out of a given group of people who will be the smartest? The research arm of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity (IARPA) is looking for exactly those kinds of tools."IARPA is looking to get a handle on the state of the art in brain-based predictors of future cognitive performance. In particular, IARPA is interested in non-invasive analyses of brain structure and/or function that can be used to predict who will best learn complex skills and accomplish tasks within real-world environments, and with outcome measures, that are relevant to national security.

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  1. Dumb question by Krishnoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's 'national security'? I mean, is there a rigorous definition of it?

    1. Re:Dumb question by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Simple: It means "We are much more powerful and much less moral than you, so you better shut up NOW!"

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      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  2. What makes them think this is even possible? by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Obviously intelligence varies from person to person and we have tests like IQ tests that can measure this
    but IQ tests are not super good at measuring people who are successful at accomplishing tasks because
    it takes more than raw intelligence. Things like willpower, dedication, creativity, work ethic, etc... all play
    into whether someone is successful at accomplishing tasks. I don't see how a brain scanner is going to
    accomplish this or how it would be any better than existing testing methods. If I wanted to know this I
    would be more inclined to give a group of people a ton of different types of tests and then watch their
    career and decide which of the tests more closely correlated with what I was seeking then I could narrow
    it down to a combination of traits for instance maybe the results would be high IQ, high creativity, and
    high level of willpower or some other combination of 3 or 4 attributes then you could test for only those
    3-4 attributes instead of dozen of attributes. If you didn't want to wait, you could instead give the same
    battery of tests to the people in your company that you considered most successful and see if there are
    any patterns.

    1. Re:What makes them think this is even possible? by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      This test was devised decades ago.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

      Simply give any potential employees the option of a marshmallow now or waiting a period of time to receive two marshmallows. At the very least we should use this procedure to test our police force for poor impulse control.

      It can even be applied to dating. On the first date I offer a marshmallow or if they have the willpower to not eat the marshmallow the promise of sex. So far it's managed to flawlessly protect me from a number of impulsive women.

    2. Re:What makes them think this is even possible? by russotto · · Score: 2

      It can even be applied to dating. On the first date I offer a marshmallow or if they have the willpower to not eat the marshmallow the promise of sex. So far it's managed to flawlessly protect me from a number of impulsive women.

      You're doing it wrong. If you do it right, the response from impulsive women will be to "prove" that they can eat the marshmallow AND have sex with you.

      Also the marshmallow test is pretty flawed when used with anyone who has experience. Doesn't matter how much impulse control you have, if promises of delayed gratification have in the past been consistently broken and led to no gratification.

  3. Dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    National security is worrying about terrorists in countries 7000 miles away across the ocean but leaving the southern gate wide open.

  4. Uh oh, this isn't good (if it works) by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    This is a step along the road towards the Morlocks and Eloi of H. G. Wells "The Time Machine".

    While this isn't as bad as "Gattaca" or "Brave New World" with their emphasis on eugenics; it's definitely not good for the concentration of wealth, power and yes, intelligence. When people can be ACCURATELY rated in terms of all their various intellectual abilities (as they already are in Chess ability) it will mean a further stratification of society and concentration of advantages.

    While this has always being going on throughout history (and pre-history) if they really apply scientific techniques it could dramatically enhance its predictive power.

    Maybe, eventually, humanity will start to diverge into multiple species. :(

  5. relevant to national security? by waddgodd · · Score: 2

    Given the oxymoronic nature of "national intelligence", one can only wonder if they're looking for the smart people to put them on watchlists early.

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    1. Re:relevant to national security? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re "...they're looking for the smart people to put them on watchlists early."
      Smart people can be guided into good front companies that feel private sector but get 100% gov contracts.
      Smart people can be guided away from eg open source crypto projects before they add large amounts of high quality code for free and tell the world.
      Smart people can be guided to open source projects that create large amounts of quality GUI code, games, charity if they want to give "back" to projects.
      Its more that a gov wants a feel for its top % of students and hopes they can be shaped into needed sectors of gov/mil work or just safe rewarding private sector work.
      All you need is the right university advisor or job seeking options for that top few %. Add that nice car, settle down in a city with a few contracts, buy a home and that smart person is busy for decades.
      The lists are more for smart people who may uncover the tools of the surveillance state or bypass the tools of the surveillance state.
      The advanced OS, filesystems, crypto efforts are best left to teams with people who are 'turned' or not too questioning.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  6. I think it is the opposite. by khasim · · Score: 2

    Too often I see stupid mistakes (that are known mistakes) implemented because someone higher in the hierarchy or with more social clout pushed for it.

    We don't follow the "best" idea. We don't follow the "smartest" people.

    We do stupid things over and over and over because we are still social animals.

    Even if they could find the 10 smartest people in the nation, they would still tell them to implement the same, stupid "solutions". And if those 10 people argued against the stupidity ... well then ... the test must be flawed. Those could not be the smartest.

    Now find me people who:
    a. will agree with me
    b. will agree on who the scapegoat is for when it fails
    c. will not argue with me
    d. we will call those people the "smartest" ones

    1. Re:I think it is the opposite. by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      Now find me people who:
      a. will agree with me
      b. will agree on who the scapegoat is for when it fails
      c. will not argue with me
      d. we will call those people the "smartest" ones

      If you pick your "benchmark group" well enough and find people with similiar brainwaves/traits then this still solves their problem nicely.
      You might not have actually picked the "smartest" people but you picked the people that are most likely to do what you want and
      succeed where you want them to succeed so I don't see this as being a problem if you can really predict future performance.
      It might actually be easier to detect "people who are good at following orders" than it is to detect "people who are smart"

  7. Mod parent up. by SeaFox · · Score: 2

    The only reason the government would want to know who the smartest people are is so they know who to add to their terror watch list (assuming they aren't part of The Party).

  8. Closest approximation I can think of: by marxmarv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "the protection and preservation of existing power inequalities"

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    /. -- the Free Republic of technology.
  9. The smartest ones? by dohzer · · Score: 3, Funny

    The smartest ones are those who don't reveal their true intelligence to the security agencies.

    1. Re:The smartest ones? by PPH · · Score: 2

      There are two rules for succes:

      1) Never reveal everything you know.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
  10. Smart doesn't matter, it's what you do with it by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Too many decent potential scientists and engineers are following the money and playing complicated accounting tricks on others similarly wasted in positions where they add no value to society.
    Take a look at the Enron debacle for a well documented situation. Plenty of very intelligent hard working people were doing nothing but creating smokescreens for scams. Don't misunderstand or turn me into a strawman - accounts and finance people have an important role in society but highly creative ones building complicated artifices designed to mislead (or HFT people who do it via man in the middle attack) are a drain on society and a waste of potential talent. Pick just about anything else in society and they'd contribute better there.
    So while it's very attractive for the bright to become tricksters and while the media portrays scientists and engineers in a very negative light we're only going to get the people who are driven or import people from other places where they don't mock scientists.

  11. You mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    committed suicide realizing the futility of modern existance. Or: switched off their brains either through force of will or substance abuse in order to better conform to society's expectations and be able to hold that crappy 9-5 they needed to actually eat.

    While I'm sure there are plenty who succeed, if you're not a big arrogant or sociopathic it doesn't seem likely you'll make it far in this world. Well, unless you've got a sociopath 'managing' you.