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City of London Police Take Down Proxy Service Over Piracy Concerns

Posted by samzenpus on from the shutting-it-down dept.

Mr_Silver writes TorrentFreak is reporting that the City of London Police (a private police force in government-backed livery with an authority that does not go beyond the corporate-controlled City of London area — so not to be confused with the Metropolitan Police) has seized control of a number of domains including Immunicity, a general proxy server that was set up as a censorship circumvention tool. This appears to be their next step after placing banner adverts on websites.

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  1. Not a private police force by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The City of London Police Force is not a private police force, its a public body that receives government funding and is the same as any other police force in the UK, bar the fact that it doesn't have an elected police commissioner. It answers to Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary just like any other police force. The reason its separate from the Metropolitan Police Force is nothing more than a historical curiosity rather than anything to create conspiracy theories about.

    There does seem to be an attempt here on Slashdot, in this story and past stories, to cast the City of London Police in a false light.

    Regarding the authority "issue" - the City of London Police seizing a domain name is no different to the Metropolitan Police seizing it, the jurisdictional "issues" are the same. The reason the City of London Police are doing this a lot is because they are highly specialised in economic crime detection, investigation and enforcement, so combating criminal level copyright infringement is in fact one of their specialities.

    1. Re:Not a private police force by EmperorArthur · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Each body or organisation, whether unincorporated or incorporated, whose premises are within the City of London may appoint a number of voters based on the number of workers it employs.

      That's straight from the Wikipedia entry on the City of London.

      Here on Slashdot we often talk about corporate person hood. The City of London is what happens when you jump straight to letting those corporations vote. When the government is by the corporations for the corporations it's not surprising that the police force is also a tool of the corporations.

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    2. Re:Not a private police force by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The reason the City of London Police are doing this a lot is because they are highly specialised in economic crime detection, investigation and enforcement, so combating criminal level copyright infringement is in fact one of their specialities."

      Yet they missed all the genuinely criminal bankers on their front door step, you know, libor, exchange rate manipulation and many others?

      City of London police should be sticking to the City of London yet they're sticking their nose in everywhere as if they have some form of universal jurisdiction. Similarly they have consistently avoided investigation over many legitimate claims of corruption.

      Whatever their supposed status, one things for sure and that's that they're more corrupt than any other police force in the UK by a long shot, and no one seems to be able to touch them for it to sort the problem.

      They really need moving under the met where there is at least some degree of oversight, even if it's a long way from perfect. Right now I can see exactly why people call them a private police force - because that's exactly how they act and are treated.

    3. Re:Not a private police force by Camael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Regarding the authority "issue" - the City of London Police seizing a domain name is no different to the Metropolitan Police seizing it, the jurisdictional "issues" are the same. The reason the City of London Police are doing this a lot is because they are highly specialised in economic crime detection, investigation and enforcement, so combating criminal level copyright infringement is in fact one of their specialities.

      The problem however is the legality of the very act of the police in seizing domain names. Apparently, they do not have the power to do so. Instead, they request the "cooperation" of registrars who are threatened with possible legal sanctions in the same breath. Here is an excerpt of one of their letters :-

      “Suspension of the domain(s) is intended to prevent further crime. Where possible we request that domain suspension(s) are made within 48 hours of receipt of this Alert. In respect of the information provided by us, we respectfully ask you to consider your liability and the wider public interest should those services be allowed to continue.”

      I don't think you should be comfortable with the police making threats to force registrars to shut down online services in the absence of any court orders, findings of liability or any judgment that the online service is in fact against the law.

    4. Re:Not a private police force by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The City of London Police Force is not a private police force, its a public body that receives government funding and is the same as any other police force in the UK, bar the fact that it doesn't have an elected police commissioner.

      It's far more insidious than just the fact it doesn't have an elected police commissioner and it most definitely is not the "same as any other police force in the UK".

      http://www.theguardian.com/com...

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    5. Re:Not a private police force by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a nice DNS registry you've got there. Be a real pity if it caught fire.

    6. Re:Not a private police force by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Regarding the authority "issue" - the City of London Police seizing a domain name is no different to the Metropolitan Police seizing it, the jurisdictional "issues" are the same. The reason the City of London Police are doing this a lot is because they are highly specialised in economic crime detection, investigation and enforcement, so combating criminal level copyright infringement is in fact one of their specialities.

      You have not been paying attention. Their usual modus operandi is to send threatening letters to the domain registrar because they have no legal authority for the seizure. They usually arrest the site operator just to put pressure on them - even if they drop the chargers later there is no come-back for them, and the victim has to explain to his employer who he wasn't at work for a few days and his name is all over the press.

      Go read their press release. They crime he is accused of doesn't even seem to be a crime. The blockade was a civil court order directed at a small number of ISPs, not a general law that everyone must follow. I really doubt there will be a trial, let alone a conviction. The CoLP have got what their corporate masters want now - domain seized and shut down, operator's life made hell and a clear message sent to anyone else thinking of annoying them.

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  2. What a stupid fucking summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The City of London is a borough of greater London. It is an ordinary government district and the police force for the City of London is a normal, governmental police force. What a fucking pile of hogwash this summary is.

    1. Re:What a stupid fucking summary by jrumney · · Score: 1, Insightful

      City of London is a "democracy project" of what your fascist "democracy" will look like.

      Right, because having the 7000 odd 1%ers who actually live in the City dictate to the 330,000 who work there during the day would be so much more democratic.

  3. Re:Let's see if I get this right... by Camael · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The police, who wants to fight piracy which is claimed to be happening by the corporations, go bust servers with neither warrants nor court orders. What exactly are making these claims legit enough to skip due process? Or is due process some sort of privilege that we shouldn't expect them in the first place?

    They're probably getting away with it because nobody is challenging them AFAIK.

  4. Re:Nor Private Police by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The City of London Police is overseen by an elected body and funded through taxes. It is not a private police force. I think that was just a transparent attempt to sensationalize a news story.

    It's a police force controlled by private businesses and backed by the government.

    http://www.theguardian.com/com...

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  5. Re:Not a private police force. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No it's not a private fucking police force. It's paid for by the govt and answers to the govt. It is not a companies private police force.

    It is a carry over from many centuries ago but it is still a public police force. It is not perfect and indeed has shown this by its stupidity over this and other actions (Google Scientology and City of London police) but it's not private, not under the control of the companies in the CoL and answers to the uk govt for its actions.

    I thought Slashdot was going downhill, hadn't realised how fucking far it had gone.

  6. Re:Rome would be so proud by mindwhip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow... where is the option to vote the summary and TFA as troll?

    Seriously. They full of misrepresentation (CoLP is just another area force like all the others in the UK. CoLP is NOT a private force. The fact that corporations vote in CoL is irrelevant here as voters have no direct influence on the force - policy comes from national level. CoLP are national specialists on this kind of 'soft' crime and are the force responsible for national level investigations of this type. Seizures would have needed to have been court sanctioned/ordered and as is often the case with ongoing investigations where the details would be sealed until said investigation was completed. The fact that large scale copyright infringement is a crime was made by the elected national government and not by the CoLP.)

    Wilfully continuing to aid criminals after you are aware of providing such aid (except on threat of personal safety) is in itself a crime in the UK.

    ICANN etc have operations in the UK and are therefore have legal responsibility/requirement to comply with such court orders in the country they operate in. This is identical to the many cases where a USA court orders extradition for some minor thing on a non US company director just because they have a sales/import office with 5 staff at some container port in Florida.

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