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City of London Police Take Down Proxy Service Over Piracy Concerns

Mr_Silver writes TorrentFreak is reporting that the City of London Police (a private police force in government-backed livery with an authority that does not go beyond the corporate-controlled City of London area — so not to be confused with the Metropolitan Police) has seized control of a number of domains including Immunicity, a general proxy server that was set up as a censorship circumvention tool. This appears to be their next step after placing banner adverts on websites.

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  1. Christmas by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't want a lot for Christmas
    There is just one thing I need
    I don't care about the presents
    Underneath the Christmas tree

    I just want them for my own
    More than they could ever know
    Make my wish come true
    All I want for Christmas is
    My own bloody private police force!

  2. Let's see if I get this right... by thieh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The police, who wants to fight piracy which is claimed to be happening by the corporations, go bust servers with neither warrants nor court orders. What exactly are making these claims legit enough to skip due process? Or is due process some sort of privilege that we shouldn't expect them in the first place?

    1. Re:Let's see if I get this right... by Camael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The police, who wants to fight piracy which is claimed to be happening by the corporations, go bust servers with neither warrants nor court orders. What exactly are making these claims legit enough to skip due process? Or is due process some sort of privilege that we shouldn't expect them in the first place?

      They're probably getting away with it because nobody is challenging them AFAIK.

    2. Re:Let's see if I get this right... by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The police, who wants to fight piracy which is claimed to be happening by the corporations, go bust servers with neither warrants nor court orders. What exactly are making these claims legit enough to skip due process? Or is due process some sort of privilege that we shouldn't expect them in the first place?

      Same legal reasoning that allows police to beat up anyone they feel like and generally make thugs of themselves - no one seems to actually be willing to stop them.

    3. Re:Let's see if I get this right... by infolation · · Score: 4, Informative
      Only if you read the summary, and not the actual reported news. They arrested the proxy server owner. That needs a warrant of arrest. There's no 'skipping due process' for the police, or the charges don't stand when the person arrives in court.

      PIPCU arrest Nottingham man believed to be running proxy server

      The Police Intellectual Property Crime Unit has arrested a man in Nottingham on suspicion of running an ‘umbrella’ website providing access to other websites which have been subject to legal blocking orders.

      The 20-year-old man was questioned by detectives from the City of London Police unit at a local police station before later being released on bail.

      The operation, supported by the Federation Against Copyright Theft, uncovered evidence of the proxy server providing access to 36 other websites that had been blocked for offering illegal or infringing content. The domain names of these sites have been voluntarily handed to police and the related web pages now show a police warning banner.

      The arrest is part of the City of London Police unit’s ongoing drive to clamp down on websites providing access to illegal or infringing content, known as Operation Creative. Last week it was announced that PIPCU are replacing advertising on copyright infringing websites with official force banners, warning the user that the site is currently under criminal investigation.

    4. Re:Let's see if I get this right... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      I'm not aware of any law saying proxies are illegal in the UK. I doubt this man will be convicted, CPS (crown prosecution service who decide what goes to court) shouldn't advance this.

      To specifically state on a proxy service that you can access sites blocked in the same country as that service is a little dim though.

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    5. Re:Let's see if I get this right... by jeIIomizer · · Score: 2

      To specifically state on a proxy service that you can access sites blocked in the same country as that service is a little dim though.

      It's simply the truth. Is truth illegal?

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    6. Re:Let's see if I get this right... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      That's more the US police. Those in the UK very rarely beat anyone up without good reason. We've got a slightly better oversight system here. If you make a complaint you can be confident it'll get investigated by a proper independant commission, and not the guy who shares pizza with the accused every Friday.

  3. Re:Rome would be so proud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The City of London Police (who are proper police officers and subject to the same rules etc as any other officer and not a 'private' force) have a remit from the government to tackle certain specific types of crime on a national/pan national basis.
    They have a unit that is responsible for this sort of stuff so it does not surprise me that they have done this.

  4. Not a private police force. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know it's bad form to provide accurate information on Slashdot but the City of London police are not private at all. Indeed the Wikipedia page linked to in the summary states that it's a govt entity on the very first page.

    I apologise in advance for being accurate.

    1. Re:Not a private police force. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No it's not a private fucking police force. It's paid for by the govt and answers to the govt. It is not a companies private police force.

      It is a carry over from many centuries ago but it is still a public police force. It is not perfect and indeed has shown this by its stupidity over this and other actions (Google Scientology and City of London police) but it's not private, not under the control of the companies in the CoL and answers to the uk govt for its actions.

      I thought Slashdot was going downhill, hadn't realised how fucking far it had gone.

    2. Re:Not a private police force. by coastwalker · · Score: 2

      Since when did arguing about Wikipedia postings replace discussion about the behavior of an organization that appears to be knocking censorship evasion proxies offline?

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  5. Not a private police force by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The City of London Police Force is not a private police force, its a public body that receives government funding and is the same as any other police force in the UK, bar the fact that it doesn't have an elected police commissioner. It answers to Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary just like any other police force. The reason its separate from the Metropolitan Police Force is nothing more than a historical curiosity rather than anything to create conspiracy theories about.

    There does seem to be an attempt here on Slashdot, in this story and past stories, to cast the City of London Police in a false light.

    Regarding the authority "issue" - the City of London Police seizing a domain name is no different to the Metropolitan Police seizing it, the jurisdictional "issues" are the same. The reason the City of London Police are doing this a lot is because they are highly specialised in economic crime detection, investigation and enforcement, so combating criminal level copyright infringement is in fact one of their specialities.

    1. Re:Not a private police force by EmperorArthur · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Each body or organisation, whether unincorporated or incorporated, whose premises are within the City of London may appoint a number of voters based on the number of workers it employs.

      That's straight from the Wikipedia entry on the City of London.

      Here on Slashdot we often talk about corporate person hood. The City of London is what happens when you jump straight to letting those corporations vote. When the government is by the corporations for the corporations it's not surprising that the police force is also a tool of the corporations.

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    2. Re:Not a private police force by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The reason the City of London Police are doing this a lot is because they are highly specialised in economic crime detection, investigation and enforcement, so combating criminal level copyright infringement is in fact one of their specialities."

      Yet they missed all the genuinely criminal bankers on their front door step, you know, libor, exchange rate manipulation and many others?

      City of London police should be sticking to the City of London yet they're sticking their nose in everywhere as if they have some form of universal jurisdiction. Similarly they have consistently avoided investigation over many legitimate claims of corruption.

      Whatever their supposed status, one things for sure and that's that they're more corrupt than any other police force in the UK by a long shot, and no one seems to be able to touch them for it to sort the problem.

      They really need moving under the met where there is at least some degree of oversight, even if it's a long way from perfect. Right now I can see exactly why people call them a private police force - because that's exactly how they act and are treated.

    3. Re:Not a private police force by Camael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Regarding the authority "issue" - the City of London Police seizing a domain name is no different to the Metropolitan Police seizing it, the jurisdictional "issues" are the same. The reason the City of London Police are doing this a lot is because they are highly specialised in economic crime detection, investigation and enforcement, so combating criminal level copyright infringement is in fact one of their specialities.

      The problem however is the legality of the very act of the police in seizing domain names. Apparently, they do not have the power to do so. Instead, they request the "cooperation" of registrars who are threatened with possible legal sanctions in the same breath. Here is an excerpt of one of their letters :-

      “Suspension of the domain(s) is intended to prevent further crime. Where possible we request that domain suspension(s) are made within 48 hours of receipt of this Alert. In respect of the information provided by us, we respectfully ask you to consider your liability and the wider public interest should those services be allowed to continue.”

      I don't think you should be comfortable with the police making threats to force registrars to shut down online services in the absence of any court orders, findings of liability or any judgment that the online service is in fact against the law.

    4. Re:Not a private police force by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The City of London Police Force is not a private police force, its a public body that receives government funding and is the same as any other police force in the UK, bar the fact that it doesn't have an elected police commissioner.

      It's far more insidious than just the fact it doesn't have an elected police commissioner and it most definitely is not the "same as any other police force in the UK".

      http://www.theguardian.com/com...

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    5. Re:Not a private police force by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a nice DNS registry you've got there. Be a real pity if it caught fire.

    6. Re:Not a private police force by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Regarding the authority "issue" - the City of London Police seizing a domain name is no different to the Metropolitan Police seizing it, the jurisdictional "issues" are the same. The reason the City of London Police are doing this a lot is because they are highly specialised in economic crime detection, investigation and enforcement, so combating criminal level copyright infringement is in fact one of their specialities.

      You have not been paying attention. Their usual modus operandi is to send threatening letters to the domain registrar because they have no legal authority for the seizure. They usually arrest the site operator just to put pressure on them - even if they drop the chargers later there is no come-back for them, and the victim has to explain to his employer who he wasn't at work for a few days and his name is all over the press.

      Go read their press release. They crime he is accused of doesn't even seem to be a crime. The blockade was a civil court order directed at a small number of ISPs, not a general law that everyone must follow. I really doubt there will be a trial, let alone a conviction. The CoLP have got what their corporate masters want now - domain seized and shut down, operator's life made hell and a clear message sent to anyone else thinking of annoying them.

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  6. What a stupid fucking summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The City of London is a borough of greater London. It is an ordinary government district and the police force for the City of London is a normal, governmental police force. What a fucking pile of hogwash this summary is.

    1. Re:What a stupid fucking summary by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Yes. It would.
      Those 330,000 get to vote in the place they live too.

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    2. Re:What a stupid fucking summary by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      The summary is not correct: the police force is not a private one.

      The City however is very far from being just a borough of Greater London. The city is a strange place, generally controlled by the resident corporations (literally---they vote). The local police force generally answer to the council like in most places. But this time the council is officially a bunch of corporate stooges.

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  7. Fascist justice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    CoLP, while not actually private, is the closest you can get to a law system controlled solely by it's corporate backers. Since there are no actual people in the city, just corporations and commuters, there is no such thing as public scrutiny or pursuit of the public interest, their agenda is written solely by private interests. Coupled with private prosecution, it rounds up to a nice libertarian-fascist justice system.

  8. Nor Private Police by jklovanc · · Score: 2, Informative

    City of London Police (a private police force in government-backed livery with an authority that does not go beyond the corporate-controlled City of London area — so not to be confused with the Metropolitan Police)

    The poster didn't read the Wiki on the City of London Police;

    The City of London Police is the territorial police force responsible for law enforcement within the City of London, including the Middle and Inner Temples.

    The police authority is the Common Council of the City,

    The Common Council of the City is an elected body. The City of London police is also publicly funded.

    What may confuse you Americans is that most British cities have "corporation" in their official name. For example, I live near "The Corporation of the District of Sannich".

    The City of London Police is overseen by an elected body and funded through taxes. It is not a private police force. I think that was just a transparent attempt to sensationalize a news story.

    1. Re:Nor Private Police by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The City of London Police is overseen by an elected body and funded through taxes. It is not a private police force. I think that was just a transparent attempt to sensationalize a news story.

      It's a police force controlled by private businesses and backed by the government.

      http://www.theguardian.com/com...

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    2. Re:Nor Private Police by mjwx · · Score: 2

      The City of London Police is overseen by an elected body and funded through taxes. It is not a private police force. I think that was just a transparent attempt to sensationalize a news story.

      The City of London police are not strictly a "private police force" by the dictionary definition of the words... they just act like it.

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    3. Re:Nor Private Police by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Informative

      The City of London Police is overseen by an elected body and funded through taxes.

      Yeah elected. By the local corporations.

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  9. Re:Rome would be so proud by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    Rome would be so proud .. Of what Londinium has become.

    The Romans would even understand the Mayor's ramblings

  10. Re:Fascist justice by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3, Informative
    While it is true there are not many real people living in the city, there certainly are some, and they even have at least one Labour (left wing) MP. They also have to send anyone they arrest to the normal authorities for prosecution by normal judges.

    I make no applogies for corruption or incompetence in CoLP (if any).

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  11. Re:Rome would be so proud by mindwhip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow... where is the option to vote the summary and TFA as troll?

    Seriously. They full of misrepresentation (CoLP is just another area force like all the others in the UK. CoLP is NOT a private force. The fact that corporations vote in CoL is irrelevant here as voters have no direct influence on the force - policy comes from national level. CoLP are national specialists on this kind of 'soft' crime and are the force responsible for national level investigations of this type. Seizures would have needed to have been court sanctioned/ordered and as is often the case with ongoing investigations where the details would be sealed until said investigation was completed. The fact that large scale copyright infringement is a crime was made by the elected national government and not by the CoLP.)

    Wilfully continuing to aid criminals after you are aware of providing such aid (except on threat of personal safety) is in itself a crime in the UK.

    ICANN etc have operations in the UK and are therefore have legal responsibility/requirement to comply with such court orders in the country they operate in. This is identical to the many cases where a USA court orders extradition for some minor thing on a non US company director just because they have a sales/import office with 5 staff at some container port in Florida.

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  12. Re:Corporate Cops, eh? by AC-x · · Score: 4, Informative

    Do they have a Corporate Congress yet?

    Yes, corporations with premises in the City of London are given a number of votes in local elections based on the number of employees they have.

  13. Re:Corporate Cops, eh? by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Informative

    The City of London Police have their powers, policy and jurisdiction defined by the Police Act of 1996, the same as the Metropolitan Police. Their powers come from the House of Commons, not the Guildhall.

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  14. Re:Fascist justice by fnj · · Score: 2

    Since there are no actual people in the city, just corporations and commuters

    According to Wikipedia, the City of London has a resident population of about 7000 and a commuting.working population of about 300,000. There are certainly many "actual people in the city". Or do you believe Wikipedia is wrong on this score?

    Both residents and representatives of the businesses vote in the elections. It is true that the former are outnumbered by the latter.

  15. Re:Corporate Cops, eh? by rjstanford · · Score: 2

    In fairness its been that way in one form or another since the 17th century.

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  16. Domains Locked in London Police Takedown by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 2

    "The National Arbitration Forum has just handed down its decision in respect to the three domain names locked down at Public Domain Registry in response to the City of London Police Intellectual Property Crime Unit takedown requests. The decision is in favour of easyDNS and orders the three names to be transferred to us. - See more at: http://blog.easydns.org/2014/0...

  17. Re:Fascist justice by TheMathemagician · · Score: 3, Informative

    The City of London is not London. It's roughly equivalent to the old walled medieval City and is now mainly a financial district 'The Square Mile'.