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Why the "NASA Tested Space Drive" Is Bad Science

StartsWithABang writes Just over a century ago, N rays were detected by over a hundred researchers and discussed in some three hundred publications, yet there were serious experimental flaws and experimenter biases that were exposed over time. Fast forward to last week, and NASA Tests Microwave Space Drive is front page news. But a quick analysis shows that it isn't theorists who'll need to struggle to explain this phenomenon, but rather the shoddy experimentalists who are making the exact same "bad science" mistakes all over again.

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  1. The NASA experiment is nothing like N-rays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The NASA science is just fine: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-08/07/10-qs-about-nasa-impossible-drive

  2. Re:Space Drive or Global Warming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wait, is this guy talking about space drives or global warming skeptics?

    FTA:

    1. The magnitude of these effects varied tremendously from experiment to experiment.
    2. The threshold of measurement—the difference between a detection and a non-detection—was always extremely close to the actual claimed detection.
    3. Many attempts at confirming the experiments by some of the leading scientists of the day, including Lord Kelvin, Heinrich Rubens and Robert Wood, all produced null results.
    4. And finally, even if you restricted your data sets to the positive the experimental results, their claims were inconsistent with one another. //endtroll

    FTFY

  3. Re:A little behind the times by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Informative

    * they did pretty much all of the things you would like to see (such as reversing the direction and making sure the thrust reverses).

    * they seem to have done a thoughtful and careful job, including testing in vacuum.

    So, I still think they are likely wrong, but this ups the ante. In my opinion, you can't just say "this is obviously wrong."

    Sure I can. Was the apparatus temperature controlled during the vacuum test? Was it tested in all orientations (not just backwards) to remove any gyroscopic weirdness from the rotation of the earth (think Michelson-Morley experiment). Was there EM coupling between the cavity, the torsion balance, and the chamber that could manifest as an anomalous torque, not thrust (that is, did they just make a big brushless motor)? Does the instrument register a thrust when the cavity is radiating but is bolted to the chamber floor and not the balance? Is there no thrust when it's oriented orthogonally? Does it still work if the power supply is electrically isolated from the vacuum chamber without a common return (ie did they build an electron gun)?

  4. BLINDED BY ARROGANCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's sad how pathetic the pretenders on Slashdot are sometimes. So full of themselves and sure that they are smarter than the next guy.

    I know it's appeal to authority, but NASA doesn't employ idiots. And if you had bothered to do even a simply Google search you would have found this which sheds some more light on the situation.

    Just to save you the effort, the abstract sucks (most likely written by a public relations flunky), they were very careful in setting up the experiment, it WAS done in a vacuum, there is something there. Note that they didn't explain it, they just report their observations.

    But you go ahead and stick with your second year physics student attitude.