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Clever Workaround: Visual Cryptography On Austrian Postage Stamps

An anonymous reader writes Have you heard of personalized postage stamps? You pay the value of the stamps plus a fee and the post office prints official stamps usable for postage which show (almost) anything you can put into a jpeg file. An Austrian Tibet supporter found out what 'almost' means. He submitted a picture of the Dalai Lama with the text 'His Holiness the Dalai Lama,' but the Austrian post office refused to produce these stamps. Stampnews and the Neue Zuercher Zeitung (autotranslation) reported that this had been due to pressure from the Chinese embassy in Vienna. Now there is a video showing how visual cryptography has been used to get around this attempt at censorship [caution: organ music] .

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  1. Looks like a magic eye picture by charronia · · Score: 2

    I had to squint really hard to see anything at all.

    1. Re:Looks like a magic eye picture by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      Damned organ music, I missed it because I was waiting for something dramatic to happen!

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    2. Re:Looks like a magic eye picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I was waiting for something dramatic to happen!

      Yeah, like someone saying "Fools!" out loud followed by a Phantom of the Opera laughter. I'm disappoint.

      Hmm, maybe the burnt girl starts using a mask... well, maybe two masks...

    3. Re:Looks like a magic eye picture by davester666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why the fuck did the austrian post office ask the chinese embassy if it was OK to print these stamps?

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    4. Re:Looks like a magic eye picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the same reason they ask the US if Australian laws are ok?

      Perhaps that is why the Governor General has a bee up his ass about putting 3 strikes laws, data retention laws and fingerprinting everyone at the airport. Because America owns us. Or rather they will own us when US organisations can sue the Australian government after the TPP passes.

    5. Re:Looks like a magic eye picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what a story about the Austrian Postal Service has to do with Australia.

    6. Re:Looks like a magic eye picture by dbIII · · Score: 1

      All it takes is for Australia Post to lose a few letters and it's Austria Post.

  2. mind blown! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now the ineffectiveness of their censorship is so conclusively destroyed they will surely lament and not censor anymore.

  3. Look at me! Look at me! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    Sure, but the post office could still reject this custom crypto-stamp based of the fact that it's obvious something covert is going on. And you can bet that when that envelope arrives in China, they will take great interest in it, and its unfortunate recipient.

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    If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
    1. Re:Look at me! Look at me! by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      I doubt they would bother. Stamps are not translucent and you need at least one of them to be if you ever hope to recombine them to see the message.

      They would have probably been better of just having fhe letters printed in pairs and the end user just stack a few together in the right sequence. With this, you need to know what to look for, scan it into something with the ability to manipulate images to combine them and see the nessage.

  4. It took them 9 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To come up with this brilliant invention?

    1. Re:It took them 9 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have a better track record than you do, cuntface.

  5. Organ Music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No no, the organ music makes it better!!

  6. China by ultranova · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He submitted a picture of the Dalai Lama with the text 'His Holiness the Dalai Lama,' but the Austrian post office refused to produce these stamps. Stampnews and the Neue Zuercher Zeitung (autotranslation) reported that this had been due to pressure from the Chinese embassy in Vienna.

    And this is why we should refuse to do any business with dictatorships. Not only do we help fund the oppression of the Chinese by their government, but that oppression also spreads like a disease and infects our countries as well. And all for the sake of corporate profits, yet even those who reap them ultimately risk reaping Chinese-style political trials and subsequent executions as well.

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    Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    1. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      try criticizing obama and see how long you get to live

    2. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're already living in a dictatorship: try criticising Jews or questioning the 'holocaust' and see how long you keep your job. Oh, the humanity!

      www.nazigassings.com

      I don't think you know what a dictatorship is...

    3. Re:China by paintswithcolour · · Score: 1
      My guess would be that even without the Chinese conspiracy theory, the stamps would be rejected.

      Putting the Dalai Lama on a stamp surely constitutes the advocation of a religious figure. I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't have rules to stop you from doing that.

    4. Re:China by fnj · · Score: 1, Troll

      How did you decide that the People's Republic of China is a dictatorship? Most consider it a representative democracy. It certainly considers itself such. Nominees for Local People's Congresses can be selected not only by the Communist Party, but also other parties, and even by individual voters, properly seconded. The popular election of same is then made by secret ballot. Recall elections are provided for. The Local People's Congresses in turn elect the National People's Congress, and the NPC in turn elects national leaders.

      OK, it's not a pure democracy, but there are damn few of those.

      If you want to match oppression for oppression, there are a lot worse than PRC, and a fair number arguably better. I submit it's around average.

    5. Re:China by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2

      Try asking the US Post Office to print stamps with the flag of jihad and see what happens.

    6. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So we define a democracy as something that calls itself such? Deutsche Demokratische Republik, Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

      Usually its a damn good sign of what it is not...

      Regardless of that, its not all that bad. I lived there for quite a while. And there is plenty of voting and such, as long as you adhere to the general party ideology. Officially there might be other candidates, but in practice, forget about that (like the US with its 2 party system).

        And if you want to be succesful, you more or less need to be a member of the party, and sign some sort of promise that most people cannot even recall. Candidates for any important post are usually picked by the powers that be. It is far more a Oligarchy compared to a Democracy, although you be right to question how many real democracies exist.

    7. Re:China by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      And this is why we should refuse to do any business with dictatorships.

      That might backfire if other governments decide to do the same thing.

      Anyway, if you look at the past 70 years, America just loves dictators. Most of them have luxury condos in Manhattan, anyway.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    8. Re:China by lgw · · Score: 2

      Well, I have no idea what protections are in the Ozstitution, but you'd have to be nuts to see it as endorsement of a specific religion. As long as anyone can put the religious icon of their choice on the stamp, the government's clean IMO. At least in the US, there's no constitutional protection from ever being exposed to religion.

      Now, I could see an objection to putting a foreign head of state on a stamp, but the Dalai Lama, cool guy that he is, declared himself no longer the ruler of Tibet years ago, and permanently dissociated the religious leadership from the secular government-in-exile of Tibet.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    9. Re: China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ozstitution? AUSTRIA not Australia, dumbass!

    10. Re:China by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Dictatorship.

      That word.

      You keep using it.

      I don't think it means what you think it does.

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      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

    11. Re: China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Um, nobody considers China a democracy.

      It's difficult to categorize the PRC. It's a single-party state, that much is indisputable. As a single party state, the party controls who gets to run for office. And the party is not run as a democracy.

      Ergo it's not a democracy.

      Its more like a syndicate. But really it's its own thing. It's huge and complex.

      But democratic... not even remotely. That voting takes place is not evidence of a democracy.

    12. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Michael Savage are all still alive. If the obama administration was secretly killing off it's critics, you'd think that at least one of those people would have an unfortunate accident.

    13. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dictatorship (n) - a seagoing vessel used to provide transport for one who engages in public speaking.

    14. Re:China by kbg · · Score: 1

      So the "Federal Republic of Somalia" is a republic? Or "Federal Republic of Nigeria"?

      Here is a hint to you. Any country that includes republic in it is title is not a republic. Any country that does not include republic in it's title is a republic.

    15. Re:China by oobayly · · Score: 1

      That's rather a sweeping statement. Republic of Ireland anyone?

    16. Re:China by kbg · · Score: 1

      From Wikipedia:

      "The Constitution of Ireland provides that "[t]he name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland". Under Irish statute law, Republic of Ireland (or Poblacht na hÉireann) is "the description of the State"[16] but not its official name."

    17. Re:China by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Now I didn't know that - I suppose that I'm just used to using Republic of Ireland (rather than "Southern Ireland", which really grates at me)

    18. Re: China by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      By that logic, US is not a democracy. It's a one party state with two branches of the same party competing, and people only getting to vote for candidates pre-selected by elite of the each branch.

    19. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOT A TROLL

  7. Censorship not avoided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It says

    HH THE
    DALAI
    LAMA

    when you overlap the two stamps (and it's pretty difficult to see that). That's neat and all, but you would have to know to remove the stamps, remove them cleanly, overlay them, and shine a light through them to even see it. And there's no message at all if you have only one stamp. I think the censorship was still basically achieved.

    1. Re:Censorship not avoided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly...
      What about a "Fuck You Chinese Gov." stamp?

    2. Re:Censorship not avoided by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Wasn't "HH" forbidden in Germany? Arguably Austria too?

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      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    3. Re:Censorship not avoided by Megane · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think it would have been simpler to just make a QR code to the DL's wikipedia page. And probably as successful.

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      #naabhaprzrag, #sverubfr-000, #agi-fcbafberq, negvpyr[pynff*=' negvpyr-ary-'] { qvfcynl: abar !vzcbegnag; }
    4. Re:Censorship not avoided by sjames · · Score: 1

      I would say the QR code would be mush more likely to deliver the message. Many people recognize them and know how to read them. Few would guess about the stamps even if they happened to have one of each handy.

    5. Re:Censorship not avoided by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I would say the QR code would be mush more likely to deliver the message. Many people recognize them and know how to read them. Few would guess about the stamps even if they happened to have one of each handy.

      Given that they're personalized stamps that you have made for yourself, I'm pretty sure those who get those stamps might know to do something interesting with them.

      If it was a general issue stamp, yes, most people won't get it. But it's specially designed stamps for individuals who can choose to use them instead of regular stamps, so I think those would be used for special occasions.

    6. Re:Censorship not avoided by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      Could you place the stamps next to each other and focus behind them? Like looking at a 3d stereo-gram?

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      09F91102 no, 455FE104 nope, F190A1E8 uh-uh, 7A5F8A09 that's not it, C87294CE no. Ah! 452F6E403CDF10714E41DFAA257D313F.
    7. Re:Censorship not avoided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would still just be superimposing the images on top of each other. You would just be doing it by crossing your eyes like one of those magic eye books. Check it out, if you superimpose the magic eye image on top of itself you can do the exact same thing as in this visual crypto example. You can cheat at magic eye puzzles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdjZHl-6cpo

    8. Re:Censorship not avoided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to clarify one thing in case it's not clear, the magic eye images contain both halves of the visual crypto right next to each other in the same image so you don't have to cross your eyes as far as if they were two separate images.

    9. Re:Censorship not avoided by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      You can see HH on all license plates from Hamburg (it stands for Hanseatic city of Hamburg)

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      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
    10. Re:Censorship not avoided by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      Do you think the DL's wikipedia page is accessible in China?

    11. Re:Censorship not avoided by Megane · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I missed the part that said these stamps were either made in or used in China. Could you point me to the relevant part of the article?

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      #naabhaprzrag, #sverubfr-000, #agi-fcbafberq, negvpyr[pynff*=' negvpyr-ary-'] { qvfcynl: abar !vzcbegnag; }
  8. Re:Help - I burned my girlfriends cooter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ^ pics or it didnt happen

  9. Seems it's censored at YT too by no-body · · Score: 1

    At least initially: Video not available, click here to see why (or similar) - this BS happens often.

    Now it works.

  10. censorship? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    really stretching the definition here...

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  11. Erm okay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it a slow news day? The two linked articles are from years ago and don't actually mention anything about this design your own stamp attempt.

    Most places won't allow you to generate products like these stamps with pictures of famous people on them as they don't want to get sued by said person. Royal Mail definitely won't as they've got two explicit rules that cover it so should be start screaming about censorship there also? "2.2 you have obtained the permission of any person (or their parent or legal guardian) who appears in the material, for their image to be reproduced." and "4.5 it promotes any particular religious beliefs or may offend against any person’s religious beliefs;"

    Anyway, does it even count as getting around censorship when you need to do something obscure to see the result? Just writing under the stamp would have been easier and much easier to read than the final result. This is like a schoolkid method of trying to get one up on somebody else. "Tee hee. They don't know that if you combine my two stamps then you get something that they don't like!"

    1. Re:Erm okay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] or may offend against any person’s religious beliefs;"

      Pretty much gives them the ability to reject anything.

  12. Eye of the beholder by Livius · · Score: 1

    When people call Obama a war criminal or a hypocrite, that's a criticism, not a compliment, even if some people's thinking is so warped that they think it's the other way around.

  13. Search and Destroy by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I want a postage stamp with a portrait of Iggy Pop.

    In fact, a series of 70's punk rockers would be great. Iggy Pop, each of the four Ramones, Johnny Rotten and maybe a group photo of the New York Dolls.

    I wonder if this has already been done by some Micronesian country where these guys are worshiped as gods. That would be cool. Easter Island statues in the likeness of Iggy.

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    1. Re:Search and Destroy by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No. But a stamp series featuring KISS would be interesting. I doubt, however, that I'd pay extra for it.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    2. Re:Search and Destroy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some countries allow you to submit your own images for stamps. so this is certainly doable there (copyright issues aside :) see for example http://alturl.com/462zo (shortened horribly long posti.fi link)

  14. Austrian censorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is it possible? That kindly, neutral, perfect European nation is censoring free speech critical of a totalitarian regime? Say it ain't so!

    1. Re:Austrian censorship? by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      That kind, neutral European nation brought you Hitler.
      Then again it brought us Wittgenstein as well.
      Then again, Freud....
      Usw., zu ewigen Ende.

  15. PoliSci by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Authoritarianism applies to democracies and dictatorships as well as communism, socialism, and corporatism (which Mussolini called Fascism which is not the same as Nazi Fascism which is not definitive Fascism.)

    China is quite corrupt but they've long used the democratic process. Communism doesn't exclude using the democratic process; there are lots of ways it can be done, limited, etc. Look at religious states like Iran or arguably Israel who are democracies but have hugely powerful religious forces at play (officially or unofficially.)

    Then you have the USA which uses the democratic process but is no longer a functional democracy. So officially it has the label but practically it is too dysfunctional to really be one. Direct democracy is for annoying strict constructionist types who think there is only 1 kind of democracy.

    1. Re:PoliSci by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Strict constructionists (in the US) know that the Constitution promises that each state will have a republican form of government, not a democracy. It sure doesn't promise that everyone will be allowed to vote, as most of the founding fathers believed that only men (i.e., not women) who owned property should be allowed to vote, and some of them wanted the restrictions to be tighter than that. (I'm not sure what their stance was on free Negroes that owned property. I've never encountered any direct quotation. Many of them, however, didn't believe that Indians should be allowed to vote.)

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    2. Re:PoliSci by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Plus senators are elected by the state and not the voters. I'm not sure that it was such a good idea to let the voters decide. Doesn't seem like much changed other than it became more typically political; with a state appointee the political game is significantly different because it's all internal. A divided state gov would elect interesting senators-- while a 1 part state gov would elect insiders who are likely corrupt... which is why it was switched to a public vote. But arguably a proper selection system would have the state do a better job than the ignorant voters... and perhaps get people to pay more attention to their local reps?

  16. Royally Fucked: Censorship and Scientific Fact by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    Here's a nice anecdote for all you 'dotal subversives.
    Used to be that the Royal Cunt of The Netherlands (the one possessed by you [didn't] know whom) was 'off limits'. Taboo. Verboten. As in burn the entire edition.
    These days however that concept is nearly a physical impossibility.

  17. Clever is the way... by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    Censorship creates clever communications.

    There are many clever ways to override the censors. It's an arms race the governments never win.

    1. Re:Clever is the way... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      This depends entirely on their purpose. If the purpose is to have an arbitrary reason to harass people it works fine.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  18. It's rebellion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Austria should have told China that Austria's stamps are none of their business, instead some politician overruled the Austrian post office, and this is a form of rebellion, not against China, but against the dick who overruled them.

    Now he should be removed from office, and they should do the Dalai Lama stamp properly.

    The idea that China can dictate what is on Austrian postage stamps is the thin edge of a wedge.

    1. Re:It's rebellion by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Austria isn't a super power.

      China is. As is US. In general, when you're dealing with super power while not being one, it makes no sense politically, economically or militarily to piss them off for no good reason.

      It may be a difficult answer to swallow for someone who is used to live in a super power. But those of us who don't will understand this very well, simply because we have been bending over to US interests when really pushed for the same reason. Take a look at case Snowden. Surely, US has no right to dictate who governments accept as a refugee because that person is persecuted for politically motivated reasons?

      In reality on the other hand, it does. The only one who could realistically take him was Russia. And look where it got them with US.

    2. Re:It's rebellion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what China is going to march through the rest of Europe just to pick a fight with Austria over a postage stamp? They are their own god damned sovereign nation so screw what China thinks and just print the stamp.

    3. Re:It's rebellion by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      You're still thinking about it like a citizen of a super power, which is why you're wrong.

      What they are doing instead is mess up your investments in their country and make it much harder for you to do business with them. See, when it comes to trade, small countries are the ones who need the trade far more than superpowers. Superpowers can limit trade in unofficial ways very easily with minimal damage for them and maximum effect for small countries targeted.

  19. Re:Help - I burned my girlfriends cooter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, Halo sucks. I think you should give her diddy kong racing and ken griffey jr baseball, for n64. And go back to IGN.

  20. Censorship? by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Groan. Something about this reminds of the scene in Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail', where a rather pestilential peasant is yelling 'I'm being oppressed'. Look, it's not always censorship when some company or government service refuses to be the medium for somebody's political propaganda; or if you insist on calling it censorship, then I have to say that not all censorship is bad.

    But I don't think it applies in this situation - nobody has a right to have things printed for them, not even in a news paper. And just like a paper can refuse to print an article or an advert for any reason they like, the postoffice can do the same, of course. They have to make a business decision - why should they print a postage stamp, if they have reason to believe it may harm their business or their reputation? Freedom of speech doesn't mean that everybody has to help you spread your opinions, it only means that the state guarantees that they will not punish people for doing so.

  21. Re:Help - I burned my girlfriends cooter by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

    Brainsurgery might help.

  22. Maybe a dumb question by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    This may be a stupid question, but why is the Austrian government calling up the Chinese embassy in Vienna to ask permission to print an Austrian citizen's image on a custom postage stamp?

  23. The CCP is facing extinction. by moneybabylon · · Score: 0

    The chinese communist party is on its last straw of survival, facing stress from: 1. external opposite forces from all other countries in the world. 2. internal pressure from all chinese places e.g. mainland, hong kong, taiwan, xinjiang, macau etc. 3. its own economy no more development from absence of law and moral. 4. its inner problems all surfacing e.g. debt, lack of soft power, no morals whatsoever.