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Mangalyaan Gets Ready To Enter Mars Orbit

William Robinson (875390) writes India's Mars Orbiter Mission, known as Mangalyaan is now at a distance of just nine million kilometres from the red planet, and is scheduled to enter the orbit of Mars at 7.30 am on September 24. Mangalyaan was launched on 5th November 2013 by ISRO, presently busy planning to reduce the speed of the spacecraft through the process of firing the LAM engine and bring it to 1.6 km/sec, before it is captured by the planet's gravity. Eventually, the mission's official updates page should catch up.

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  1. Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    India appears to be the ONE country that has the "ooomph" in terms of the CAN DO spirit

    Not only their space launch costs much less than the one from NASA, it costs less than the one from ESA (Europe), from Japan, from Russia and from China !

    We should learn from India on how to keep cost down

    Again, congratulations are in order for India !!

    1. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1, Funny

      Correct me if I'm wrong but... would you happen to be rooting for India by any chance?

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      "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    2. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only their space launch costs much less than the one from NASA, it costs less than the one from ESA (Europe), from Japan, from Russia and from China !

      We should learn from India on how to keep cost down

      Again, congratulations are in order for India !!

      Yeah, kinda funny how the beta flight costs billions to develop and deploy, and then once others do it a few times, people learn how to do it cheaper.

      But somehow you see this as some kind of financial miracle brought from Ganesha himself when India steps up to bat.

    3. Re:Congratulations, India ! by CrzyP · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot.

    4. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should learn from India on how to keep cost down

      I can teach you: pay people smaller salaries. Compare average income in India and The West to see why cost of building stuff is different. The cost of a potato is the income of the person who grew it.

    5. Re:Congratulations, India ! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      India is doing well economically and I think they have the right idea: they promote high tech industry and have a couple of high profile projects like these. This makes them more independent, builds their economy, and instills national pride. The wrong way to do it is to take things one at a time: first get plumbing and sanitation in place, and only then work on getting a meal into every child's belly, and only then provide basic education, and only then introduce mechanised farming, and only then work on a national road network and electrical system, and so on. India's space program is money well (and frugally) spent.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    6. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, too bad there's a billion people there with no running water or plumbing, but hey, pictures of a dead rock!

      What *IS* this fucking emotional gushing you techno man-children have about space?

      Your first point does overshadow all here, but let's not dismiss the urgency to get away from the bloodlust of warfare.

      Anything seems to make more sense than sitting around killing ourselves while consuming this planet.

    7. Re:Congratulations, India ! by rubycodez · · Score: 0

      the ONE country eh? No other country has put orbiters around Mars and landers on Mars multiple times in the last 40 years?

      As for reduced cost, this Indian probe doesn't have a quarter the capability of NASA MRO

      But give them a couple decades, they'll be where NASA is now

    8. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      As opposed to California, where there are only forty million people without running water.

    9. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we would somehow become a peaceful species by cosuming some other planet? I see no particular reason to rush off this planet. It solves no problems whatsoever and creates so many new ones. We would not treat any other place any different - and if we do not learn how to get along with planet earth we wont learn how to get along with planet earth mark II and we just end up in the same situation there.

    10. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >The wrong way to do it is to take things one at a time: first get plumbing and sanitation in place, and only then work on getting a meal into every child's belly, and only then provide basic education, and only then introduce mechanised farming, and only then work on a national road network and electrical system, and so on. India's space program is money well (and frugally) spent.

      So it's an excuse for not doing these things at all? India is such a shithole, and not because Indians are bad people. It's a shithole because they have the "can do" attitude when it comes to thing like space, but when it comes for caring for the bottom 50% of their country they're content to let them live like animals.

    11. Re:Congratulations, India ! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      So it's an excuse for not doing these things at all?

      They are doing both the space program and doing something about living conditions. The problem is that fixing poverty is hard, and like the problem of travelling to the moon or Mars, you don't solve it merely by allocating a budget, that's only the start. If fixing poverty was easy, a lot of other countries wouldn't have any. Hell, perhaps the USA wouldn't have any. And fixing their poor living conditions probably costs a multiple of what it costs to run their space program. According to their 2013 budget, the Rural Development Ministry alone receives over 16 times the ISRA budget. My point is that I think it would be a big mistake to shift the +- 1 billion $ space budget to further rural development.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    12. Re:Congratulations, India ! by m00sh · · Score: 1

      I can teach you: pay people smaller salaries. Compare average income in India and The West to see why cost of building stuff is different. The cost of a potato is the income of the person who grew it.

      Total BS. With high tech projects, countries with lower per capita cannot compete because they cannot afford to buy the component pieces. Even if you have lots of people with low salaries in a warehouse, they can't just create the parts needed in a short time. Even if you have the components, you cannot just train people in a short time to integrate components that nobody in the country has used before.

      You say the cost of potato is the income of the person who grew it. But, what about oil? The price is about the same throughout the world. Even making parts would cost a lot more since the even the raw materials are a larger portion of the budget.

      I'm not an expert on India but what seems like a out of nowhere thing is usually a project started decades ago with lots of vision, leadership and direction. It's not just a lower salary so cheaper product thing.

    13. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are we "consuming" this planet? Is there a black hole somewhere that we toss things in?

      We also need to get away from the flesh lust of making more people. There's no other solution, and getting pictures of dead rocks that we have seen for half a century now doesn't change a thing.

    14. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume by that you mean coming up with grandiose schemes which are far in excess of their available budget, while not being able to maintain their existing programs because they cost to much.

    15. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck going into space. We won't, ever.

    16. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, it's not about poverty, sure, we'll sadly have poverty in every nation.

      But it's about sorting out the basics in the country before making such a massive leap into space!

      Just like the person mentioned, sorting out basic sanitation for the country; cleanliness and water purification; ensuring most children have the facility of a good school; sorting out the education system and not prioritising it based on their cast or whatever; and then slowly taking it further by introducing more technology in different sectors, starting with agriculture/farming!

      Oh and educating people to take a daily shower and not to take baths in (literally) shit polluted water - like the river ganges, etc.

    17. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh really?
      Where's your source/proof?

      And if that really is true, it must be the indian immigrants desperate to live in shit holes without basic water or sanitation - oh, just like back home.

    18. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the choice currently made by Indians who live under those conditions. No body else have any say on this. It is really very simple. Anybody that do not like this are welcome to avoid coming to, or avoid being in India. Remember that it can change when Indians, living under those conditions, decide to change.

    19. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad India cannot convert their know-how into enterprise like the Chinese.
      The only things I find in America that's made in India are bargain basement trinkets like pots and pans, and some really poorly made tools at the reno depots.
      The Israel of the east, hightech but nothing revenue generating, probably because, like Israel, most of the tech is licensed from foreign manufacturers.

    20. Re: Congratulations, India ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was making a joke about drought in CA.

    21. Re:Congratulations, India ! by Chewbacon · · Score: 1

      Hold on there. Plumbing and sanitation is an absolute MUST before you start putting food in everyone's belly. Are YOU gonna clean up that mess?

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      Chewbacon
      The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
    22. Re:Congratulations, India ! by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      No, the points you raise are irrelevant. All government science programs are constrained by budget and other things, regardless of countries. So what, do you even have a point?

      NASA has had incredible accomplishments with Mars exploration for over 40 years, limited budget and all.

    23. Re: Congratulations, India ! by kyjellyfish · · Score: 3, Funny

      All right!!! Let's add space exploration to the list of things we can outsource to India.

  2. Not news by Jiro · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because 9 million miles is no more newsworthy than 8 million or 10.

    I'm reminded of the old joke:

    "What famous event happened in 1732?"

    "George Washington was born."

    "Very good. Now what famous event happened in 1743?'

    "George Washington became 11 years old."

    1. Re:Not news by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm reminded of the old joke:
      "What famous event happened in 1732?"
      "George Washington was born."
      "Very good. Now what famous event happened in 1743?'
      "George Washington became 11 years old."

      It must be an old joke alright, cuz I've never heard it, and it ain't funny.

      --
      "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    2. Re:Not news by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      Well it's our one month warning. We need time to plan the Mars Orbit Entry Parties.

    3. Re:Not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haters gonna hate.

    4. Re:Not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it is insightful and intelligent. Maybe that's why you don't get it. But you are so cool that you use 'cuz' instead of because. Being cool and dismissive must make up for a lack of intelligence and insight. Carry on then.

    5. Re:Not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be an American.

  3. MAVEN by llamahunter · · Score: 1

    I think there's also a NASA mission set to arrive at Mars on Sept 22nd, a few days before the ISRO one, no?

  4. It's only ahead of Siding Spring by a month by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    Hmm... It's only ahead of the comet Siding Spring by about a month. Will it have time/fuel to "duck and cover" by getting to the far side of the planet before the close approach of the comet and the potential of a cometary dust storm that could wreck it? (Contrary to what some people think, it doesn't take much energy to change your orbital position IF you've got time. A simple change of 1 meter/sec from the thrusters will, after one year mean a distance of over 30,000 km. That simplification ignores some orbital dynamics but you get the picture.) Of course Mangalyaan doesn't have a year but it has much greater delta-vee capability, its orbital insertion burn is (I think) 1.6 KM/sec. And maybe it would've been on the far side of the planet anyway.

    On the other hand, maybe it's near the comet NOW, or nearer to the comet than any other spacecraft. Perhaps it can take some good close-ups of the comet or at least see it from a different angle. (If it can see a full or partial eclipse of the sun by the comet, scientists may be able to determine the comet's composition or the composition of the comet's coma. It might be able to do it using radio wave occultation from earth.). In any case, it's good that there will be another spacecraft near the comet when it arrives at mars! Too bad the U.S. isn't willing to risk sacrificing one of its older orbiters (I think one has been around mars for about a decade) for a close flyby. (Again, given enough advance planning, a surprisingly small amount of delta-vee would be required to put one of the orbiters on a collision course, especially if gravitational chaotic resonances AKA "the interplanetary highway" were harnessed.)

    Too bad we didn't know about this close encounter say a decade ago. We might have been able to send a probe that could've used mars' gravity to slingshot a probe into a matching trajectory with it so that, like the ESA Rosetta probe, we could rendezvous, orbit and land on it!

    1. Re:It's only ahead of Siding Spring by a month by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      Another way to look at it is that the close encounter between a comet and Mars is perhaps a once in a century opportunity to learn about how material from the comet interacts with Mars and its atmosphere, so the satellites in orbit around Mars should mainly be looking down at the effects on Mars.

      Spacecraft-comet encounters can be had a lot more frequently than spacecraft-planet-comet encounters.

    2. Re:It's only ahead of Siding Spring by a month by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Will it have time/fuel to "duck and cover" by getting to the far side of the planet before the close approach of the comet and the potential of a cometary dust storm that could wreck it?

      While this is a non-zero probability event, it is a low probability event. I doubt that the mission planners are particularly worried about it.

      Maybe if there's a mission-compatible way of sequencing things that will reduce this low probability even further, at little cost (which is what Hubble did during a predicted Leonid meteor shower ; but the Hubble Deep Field South was already planned, and the only real change was when the exposures were scheduled. Which by coincidence pointed the HST away from the radiant of the meteor shower.)

      Incidentally I note that the mission is being monitored by the Indian Deep Space Network. Which either operates for a few hours a day (per mission, depending on direction to the spacecraft), or indicates that India has done some significant multi-national diplomacy to get their ground stations into a number of countries.

      LMGTFY. There's a Wiki page that says it's one site near Bangalore. And that mentions the use of steerable antennae to " improve[s] the visibility duration". But this site says there are a number of other tracking sites. "ISRO Telemetry, Tracking and Command Network (ISTRAC) [...] has a network of ground stations at Bangalore, Lucknow, Sriharikota, Port Blair and Thiruvananthapuram in India besides stations at Mauritius, Bearslake (Russia), Brunei and Biak (Indonesia). " So, maybe several different organisations, with overlapping missions and facilities. Like Topsy, it's probably something that "just growed".

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      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  5. Re:Why I Hate Indians by CrzyP · · Score: 1

    Well, that novel was extremely relevant to the OP. Thanks for psycho/analyzing the Indian people because we definitely needed it as a response to a scientific post.

  6. Hacked ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the docs the lift-off mass is 1337 kg

  7. Re:Why I Hate Indians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "They’re kids are cute" ...and could correct your grammar, idiot.

  8. DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will not even crash land. It will burn up in entry.

  9. Hey Indians! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 0

    Your MOM is so fat...OK, that's old.

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    Ezekiel 23:20
    1. Re:Hey Indians! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL we are indians - we belong to a country that is not exactly rolling in nutritional food.

      Fat Momma.. jokes are better for Americans or east europeans!

    2. Re:Hey Indians! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      This MOM was an acronym, obviously. (Well...I'm really not sure now how obvious it is, in retrospect.)

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      Ezekiel 23:20
  10. There's a joke here about tech support by jpellino · · Score: 1

    when the orbiter phones home, but I'm too tired at the moment to suss it out.

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    "Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
    1. Re: There's a joke here about tech support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hello"

      "Hello, is this Mangalyaan?"

      "No, my name is Bob"

  11. Road side service by ilotgov · · Score: 1

    This must be the Flat Tyre Service (http://cria.co.in/crweb/flat-tyre-service/) honouring the rumoured subscription of cash-strapped NASA.
    Considering the damage (http://www.space.com/26472-mars-rover-curiosity-wheel-damage.html) there was no way Cross Roads (http://cria.co.in/crweb/) could wiggle out of it's responsibility.

  12. A little late to be planning by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    presently busy planning to reduce the speed of the spacecraft through the process of firing the LAM engine

    I'd hope they'd have got all of the planning done before launch, and would instead be getting busy implementing.

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    systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    1. Re:A little late to be planning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is assured that all the simulations, timing, planning for implementation have been discussed, thought through over and over, and people are ready for execution.

  13. Re:Apologies to the Stones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They would go back just like the europeans, other asians, south americans, arabians, and every body else who have colonized this country.

  14. Re:Why I Hate Indians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't matter whether it's relevant to the article, the important thing is that he raised some very good and vital points that need addressing by Indians coming fresh off the boat.

    Man, why can't you Indians sort out your own country, instead of multiplying in the west and creating filthy places - I guess that's how you guys feel "at home".

  15. Why I Hate Indians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My apartment complex is full of Indians. ItÃ(TM)s a recent phenomenon too but I donÃ(TM)t mind that. In fact they are pretty quiet and donÃ(TM)t commit a lot of crimes. TheyÃ(TM)re kids are cute and well-behaved with two-parent households, something now foreign to most Americans. I also daily interact with Indians at my job but mostly over the phone and via email. TheyÃ(TM)re the developers meaning databases, web and server applications. IÃ(TM)m not sure why they have been typecast into that role. They donÃ(TM)t seem any more suited to it than the people who did it before the advent of the H1B Visa that has them flooding into the country. In fact they do a worse job because their English is generally terrible with a very heavy accent that frustrates Americans beyond belief. IÃ(TM)ve noticed that most IT recruiters are now Indian as well. I just hang out on them and put their emails on a black list. Most of them have no clue what theyÃ(TM)re doing. It may sound wrong but I only want white, Asian or Latino IT recruiters finding jobs for me. Blacks and Indians, probably because of white racism, just donÃ(TM)t have the connections needed or industry experience to make things happen smoothly or even at all.

    Indians also tend to speak in the imperative form which irks Americans to no end since that is the form used for giving people commands and we donÃ(TM)t take too kindly to that. Regardless, I do have other issues with Indians and itÃ(TM)s not related to their seeking a better life in another country, which is what bothers whites the most as if foreigners are just supposed to turn down a better way of life to keep Americans happy, insulated and isolated while frustrating the New World OrderÃ(TM)s plan for one world government. Whites never blame other whites for their problems. They prefer to vent on Indians and Mexicans rather than taking up arms against the Jewish hijacking of their government which is an attempt to dilute the gene pool of every race on the planet and thereby make us all easier to control and cull at their whim.

    Indians and whites have a unique historical relationship. Whites claim Indo-European heritage but they generally express that as Aryan. The problem with that is Aryan doesnÃ(TM)t mean white. It is only used by white supremacists when they are referring to oneness as a people. The real definition refers only to the shared language of the Indo-European and Indo-Iranian people. IÃ(TM)m starting to think that whites really have nothing to claim of their own other than hatred and fear of everything that is not white. Well.not starting perhaps but continuing.

    When you take a look at Indians you will see that besides their skin and eye color they look very much like whites. They have dark straight hair. They have similar body builds and facial features. Their noses and lips are relatively thin most of the time. They tend to be hairy. They are probably directly related to whites genetically if you go far enough back in time. Maybe thatÃ(TM)s why Indians kiss so much white ass when they come America. I thought Uncle Toms like Clarence Thomas and Michael Steele were bad but Indians take white ass-kissing to a whole..nubba.lebba.

    What is the converse of an Anglophile? It is hatred of everything black. Most Indians hate blacks but they will not admit it because they are just happy to be in the country. The caste system in India still exists and it is one of the worst apartheid-like systems of oppression in the world. In fact it is so bad that many Hindus choose to convert to Buddhism just rather than live under it. The bottom class, or dalit, have virtually no rights or upward mobility. They are referred to as the untouchables (no not the gangsters) permanently confined to the most menial jobs for their entire lives, including all future generations as well. Anyone from the dalit class attempting to marry up or improve their lot in life is met with extreme resistance up to and including death. Indi

  16. Congratulations, India! by GenaTrius · · Score: 3

    I need to give Indian culture some serious study at some point, both ancient and contemporary. What little I've learned so far has been fascinating. I wouldn't be at all surprised if India surpassed the US in international prominance in a few decades.

  17. Is Mangalyaan chasing a zephyr? by Squidlips · · Score: 1

    Isn't it designed to look for Methane in Mars' atmosphere? And didn't the MSL rover (Curiousity) determine that there is no detectable methane in the air, at least at Gale, right?

    1. Re:Is Mangalyaan chasing a zephyr? by Bismuthprince · · Score: 1

      If I'm correct, methane is lighter than carbon dioxide. Isn't it possible that methane that was produced long ago has settled on top of the CO2 layer, and can't really be detected from ground level?
      I'm actually seriously asking, I have no clue.

  18. Why I Hate Indians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one wanted to say Thank You for your rant, I loved it!

    Accurate indeed.

    You probably may not like me either, I'm Muslim but born and raised in UK, but I know _exactly_ what you mean about Indians, because I too have noticed the same thing. And sadly, they're taking over the entire IT department, you could say, multiplying out of control.
    I was speaking to my manager about this (he's white), and he was also frustrated why we can only seem to find Indians (who just came fresh off the boat)... where did all the native born people go?!!

    What further really annoys me is that instead of finding an Indian mrs in their new Western country, they always insist on going back to India for marriage, and then bringing yet another smelly person back to the west, sigh. :(

    Immigration is something that's really bothering us in UK too, particularly with the out-of-control Indians, Paki's, Polish, and Romainian!

    Since the immigration influx, I've moved to a quieter area out of the big cities, so more greenery; but as I was driving down in the city and past different places, I noticed that where-ever you have many different cultures mixed together, it creates a dirty town and a broken/poor society. The houses, shops, streets all seems to look run-down, like ghetto's I guess, because immigrants would accept to live in any filthy hole.

    Man, I am just so sick of seeing Indians every where.

    How did you land in America? You yourself is an immigrant. Read history before you rant!

  19. As a point of information... by whitroth · · Score: 1

    Who built the rocket and spacecraft? Was it the Indian space agency, or was it built by large aerospace companies for India?

                  mark "is he suggesting that the govenment, on civil service wages, could do it cheaper?"

  20. Re:Why I Hate Indians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good and vital points? All I see here is stereotype layered with a generous spread of more stereotype.

    Speaking of filthy places, Americans should not talk of creating filthy places. You guys are polluting and destroying the rest of the world to keep your hyper-consumption led lifestyle going. You are creating desolation in countries you can't find on the world map and you call others filthy? And believe me,if you find Indians filthy, a large number of Indians find your habits equally filthy, so let us not get there. And to us, you guys have an insufferable twangy accent..

    And about sorting out our respective countries, if India is messed up in one way, USA is messed up in other ways. You just like your flavour of messedup-ness better. And we are sorting out our own country, unlike you, who are trying to sort out multiple countries without sorting out your own.

    And what is this about multiplying in the West? You guys are desperate to call us or outsource work to us, which you can't or won't do. If the roles were reversed, you would have called it 'market forces' or come up with some equally ridiculous justification. Why these double standards?

    And speaking of fresh off the boat, if you are American, your family would have also come fresh off the boat someday. So, why are you giving grief to others who are doing today what your family did a few generations ago?

  21. Re: Why I Hate Indians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you a black lady?

  22. Re: Why I Hate Indians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I am sick and tired of seeing preggos walking around everywhere. I donÃf(TM)t see the glow in pregnant women. All I see is a bloated female with a new victim in her belly. I know I know.I should relocate (working on it)"

    So much hate. I think you should work on killing yourself.

  23. Re: Why I Hate Indians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't matter? Why pick this article to rant about Indians and not talk about the achievement. Looks like u and some others here just cannot handle the fact that India is advancing in technology. Haters will be haters.