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NRC Analyst Calls To Close Diablo Canyon, CA's Last Remaining Nuclear Plant

An anonymous reader writes Michael Peck, who for five years was Diablo Canyon's lead on-site inspector, says in a 42-page, confidential report that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is not applying the safety rules it set out for the plant's operation. The document, which was obtained and verified by The Associated Press, does not say the plant itself is unsafe. Instead, according to Peck's analysis, no one knows whether the facility's key equipment can withstand strong shaking from those faults — the potential for which was realized decades after the facility was built. Continuing to run the reactors, Peck writes, "challenges the presumption of nuclear safety."

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  1. In other news... by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    US starts buying more nuclear power from Canada, quickly pulling a Germany. In 5 years, subsidies much like those in Germany will then be gutted, and there will be a mass rush to build new coal and NG power plants until reactors can be refurbished or built anew.

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    1. Re:In other news... by mdsolar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually it is wind and hydropower coming from Canada. Should put Indian Point Nuclear out of business. http://westfaironline.com/6503...

    2. Re:In other news... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Solar cells on every house is great as long as there is local storage in every house too.

      Wind power is great as long as there is good power distribution infrastructure: It's always blowing somewhere.

      Nuclear power is great as long as you address operational safety and waste storage, both of which are addressable if you do engineering rather than politics. Part of that is again, good infrastructure so you can build the nukes in good places for nukes.

      It's easy to point at any single generation or harvesting technology and identify it's flaws as a sole solution. However there are many technologies and combined together they form a robust and comparatively clean solutions.

       

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    3. Re:In other news... by geoskd · · Score: 3, Informative

      US starts buying more nuclear power from Canada, quickly pulling a Germany. In 5 years, subsidies much like those in Germany will then be gutted, and there will be a mass rush to build new coal and NG power plants until reactors can be refurbished or built anew.

      Almost: Germany has been in a mad rush for quite a while to build solar and wind power production. The whole country is dotted with thousands of wind turbines, and a massive percentage of the country have solar panels to reduce their power demands from the grid. In short, Germany has been preparing for a while to reduce their reliance on fossil fuels, and was consequently in a position to abandon nuclear power instead. At their current build rate, in 10 years, they will only need 50% of the fossil fuels they use today, even with the nuclear plants shut down

      The key to their success is that, for Germans, the overriding goal is environmental protection. Its a national obsession (Probably owing to complete lack of available land, and limited fossil fuels). Like Japan, one bad nuclear accident is guaranteed to affect a massive percentage of the population, fossil fuels leaves them too reliant on foreign powers. It means that Germany's only real option is renewable energy sources, and they have the political will and industrial might to make it happen.

      Unlike American politics, the anti-environment sociopaths don't last long in German politics.

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    4. Re:In other news... by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      So read the rest of the post. FFS.

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    5. Re:In other news... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      However there are many technologies and combined together they form a robust and comparatively clean solutions.

      And that is the answer. Too bad it eludes so many in search of their own vision of the holy grail of green. Unfortunately, politics and ideology will get in the way, rather than a common sense evaluation of cost, risk, reliability, environmental impact, technological maturity, and ability to implement given our current state.

    6. Re:In other news... by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 2

      Actually, solar and wind provide a consistent output that is very predictable. The key is upgrading the grid to handle it properly.

      Photovoltaics built on existing and new structures is something that most experts in the field strongly recommend, because it decentralizes power generation and can potentially provide enough power alone to exceed current consumption.

      Energy efficiency is important, but we're not going to get rid of fossil fuels that way. Right now, the only thing that can replace them are nuclear and renewables, especially solar.

    7. Re:In other news... by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't need local storage for solar. Solar peaks during peak energy usage and an upgrade to the power grid can send it where needed or even store the electricity for later.

      The problem is, infrastructure is a big investment and it is not sexy. Congress will keep on kicking the can down the road because they lack vision and foresight and Americans want action today rather than investment in the future.

    8. Re:In other news... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Germany is cloudier than Chicago.

      Solar doesn't work in Germany without huge subsidies.

    9. Re:In other news... by geoskd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People would lost their minds here if electricity prices tripled.

      Thats the difference between the US and Germany. People in Germany have *chosen* to pay more for electricity and gas. They did so because they know that their money is buying better living conditions for everyone. Thats is why they have such high taxes. Funny but the typical standard of living in Germany is much better than the US in spite of the high taxes. In the US, its the exact opposite. Everyone wants theirs and Fuck everyone else. In the end everyone in the US suffers except the dwindling few who can hold on to upper middle class or better.

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    10. Re:In other news... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      Renewables are not yet ready or cost effective

      I'm sorry but the use by date has expired for that argument.

      Wind generation PPAs are currently as low as 2.5c per kWh, the subsidy only amounts to about 1.25c per kWh
      How Low Can Wind Energy Go? 2.5c Per Kilowatt-Hour Is Just The Beginning

      Solar is getting cheaper every year and reached grid parity for most of the worlds population 2 years ago. In UK and Germany we are installing residential Solar PV for a small fraction of the US installation costs and even in rainy cloudy England Solar could pay for itself without subsidy and then go on to provide extremely cheap electricity.

      Wind and Solar can be complemented with Hydro, pumped hydro, geothermal, biogas, battery storage, compressed air storage, wave and tidal power etc.

      Windmills are a bit better, but are still not cost effective, use water in dry areas

      Windmills use water!!!! No, they don't! lol.

      Not much geothermal potential!!! Wrong.
      http://www.treehugger.com/rene...

      If we stop buying their stuff, the price just goes down and folks like China and poor countries in Africa will just burn what we don't, and the terrorists get rich off of them.

      No, it doesn't work like that, if 10% of world demand disappears then mines shut down, any price drop is temporary. "terrorists get rich" doesn't deserve a response.

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    11. Re:In other news... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Germany is switching its baseload from nuclear to coal, which has meant digging the world's largest strip mine:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
      covering 48 square kilometers. Think of it as an anti-nuclear exclusion zone, like Fukushima but getting bigger instead of being cleaned up..

      But when all the nukes are phased out, Garzweiler won't be enough. This even bigger lignite pit:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...
      will top out at 85 sq. km when fully developed. Lignite has the approximate energy value, and pollution profile, of damp firewood.

    12. Re:In other news... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Here in Ontario, "windpower" accounts for under 1% of our daily generation. Nuclear accounts for ~70-75%, while hydroelectric makes up ~10% give or take a bit.

      http://www.ieso.ca/Pages/Power...

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    13. Re:In other news... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fossil fuels don't work in the US without huge subsidies.

      Not true. The taxes on gasoline and other fossil fuels far exceed the tax breaks for oil exploration. Fossil fuels in America do not receive net subsidies.

    14. Re:In other news... by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 2

      According to PG&E, peak usage in California is between 1400 and 1800, the same time when the sun would be strongest on a westerly-mounted array.

      I'm not sure what people "being home" has to do with peak energy usage. The most people are home between 2130 and 0830 but that is the lowest energy usage time.

    15. Re:In other news... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Energy costs make up a small part of a family's budget compared to health care, education, etc etc.

      Really? Last study I saw on this done by the frasier institute here in canada put energy costs right up around 46% of where yearly expenses go. I'd go hunt for it but far too lazy at the moment.

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    16. Re:In other news... by Namarrgon · · Score: 2

      That seems highly excessive, even allowing for fuel and Canadian winter heating costs. I find it hard to believe that energy costs outweigh food and/or housing.

      By comparison, in 2012:

      Australian households' average expenditure on energy represented 5.3% of total gross weekly household income (2.0% for dwelling energy and 3.2% for fuel for vehicles).

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    17. Re:In other news... by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 2

      > US starts buying more nuclear power from Canada

      Ummm, only one province in Canada really has any nuclear capacity, and we're shutting it down, slowly but surely.

      A bunch of the reactors are already permanently offline. Another group at Pickering is slated to go in 2017. Darlington is slated for a rebuild starting shortly (but already 300 million over budget).

      The last build was in the 1980s, and the last effort to build a new reactor set at Darlington B was cancelled last year.

      Canada tried nuclear. We're done.

    18. Re:In other news... by orzetto · · Score: 2

      Think of [Hambach Tagebau] as an anti-nuclear exclusion zone, like Fukushima but getting bigger instead of being cleaned up..

      Quite ridiculous proposition: you cannot get cancer by entering the mine, nor is it incompatible with human life, and once depleted the mine reverts to normal soil on which you can grow crops. See the map of open-pit mines near Cologne that you mentioned, and compare the satellite images of the same area. Notice how the areas of previous development (Frechen, Zukunft-West, Bergheim) have been re-converted to agriculture.

      Try doing that in Chernobyl, smartass.

      Also: I know Muricans have issues with proper units of measure, but the size of the Fukushima exclusion zone is a semi-circle with a 20 km radius. That gives 3.14*20*20/2 or 625 square kilometres, 13 times the size of Garzweiler.

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    19. Re:In other news... by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 2

      > And that is the answer. Too bad it eludes so many in search of their own vision of the holy grail of green

      Oh don't go blame this on the "greens". The only green involved is money. *Everyone* selling a particular solution claims it is the only solution needed for everything. You hear this *far more often* from nuclear supporters than PV people.

      Example. In this article, the engineer proposes that we should supply most of Ontario's power from a fleet of refit CANDU reactors. CANDUs don't throttle, so what does he propose? Spending billions on adding steam bypass, and then dumping the excess power at night into the St. Lawrence Seaway. So basically reducing the CF from around 90 to maybe 60 to 65%, and thereby increasing the price up into the 10 cent/kWh range FOR BASELOAD (which is currently selling for about 2 cents in Ontario).

      http://canadianenergyissues.com/2011/11/09/ontarios-nuclear-electric-generation-can-be-more-flexible-than-natural-gas-fired-generation/

  2. Not really new. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is not a new story, basically a reprint. With that said, if there is any indication the the plant cannot withstand postulated earthquake levels it should be shut down. This was not ignored, and the article does mention that an evaluation was performed based on the new information.

    "In 2012, the agency endorsed preliminary findings that found shaking from the Shoreline fault would not pose any additional risk for the reactors. Those greater ground motions were “at or below those for which the plant was evaluated previously,” referring to the Hosgri fault, it concluded."

    Given our experience with plants holding up extremely well to seismic events and the large margins that are included in seismic design of these plants, the finding is not surprising. Work continues, as it should, to look for anything that could possibly have been missed or not enveloped by the new data.

    The basis for the inspectors complaint is, in large part, not that the plant is not capable of withstanding the quake, nor that the analsyis is faulty or incorrect, but rather that the licensing basis document has not been revised to require a higher peak acceleration design level. It is debateable whether such a would make any difference, since they are already required to analyze for the higher levels. Meanwhile, the concern is being handled through the appropriate processes.

  3. Re:Plan? Nuclear Plan?!?!?!? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    It's probably not a typo, but the stupid short title length limit striking again. The limit is guaranteed to be one character less than the title you really want.

  4. Re:Can it scram in 10 seconds? by brambus · · Score: 2
    Unless their reactor is some really bizarre or shoddy design then yes, reactors can scram in less than 10 seconds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

    In PWRs, the control rods are held above a reactor's core by electric motors against both their own weight and a powerful spring. Any cutting of the electric current releases the rods. Another design uses electromagnets to hold the rods suspended, with any cut to electric current resulting in an immediate and automatic control rod insertion. A SCRAM mechanism is designed to release the control rods from those motors and allows their weight and the spring to drive them into the reactor core, in four seconds or less, thus rapidly halting the nuclear reaction by absorbing liberated neutrons. In BWRs, the control rods are inserted up from underneath the reactor vessel. In this case a hydraulic control unit with a pressurized storage tank provides the force to rapidly insert the control rods upon any interruption of the electric current, again within four seconds.

    Once the rods are inserted, the reactor is deeply subcritical and so due to the exponential nature of nuclear physics the reaction dies away in fractions of a second. Perhaps of interest to you might be to know that Chernobyl's RBMK reactor was neither a PWR nor a BWR. It was a graphite-moderated water-cooled reactor with very serious design flaws that made its operation inherently dangerous (it was basically a scaled-up plutonium-production reactor, for which safety was never a primary concern).

  5. NG/Coal kills. Nuclear might in an extreme case by macpacheco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Per the usual, the simple fact that Natural Gas and Coal accidents/air pollution kills people every day is ignored compared to the remote risk of something happening to a nuclear powerplant.
    If the 3 nuclear reactors in Fukushima Daichi were instead 3 coal thermal boilers, it would have killed hundreds of people in the decades it operated.
    6.5 quake is peanuts for a nuclear reactor.
    Nuclear require an extreme accident to become a hazard to human life, while coal/NG kills every day.
    Even solar and wind kill more per TWh produced than nuclear, perhaps they can cleanup their act and have less work accidents before they can claim solar/wind is safer than nuclear.

    1. Re:NG/Coal kills. Nuclear might in an extreme case by mdsolar · · Score: 2

      There's only about 85 years of uranium left at the current rate of use, which isn't high. Natural gas in the US has more than that and in Russia even more and it produces more power than nuclear.

  6. Re:Can it scram in 10 seconds? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

    SCRAM in 10 seconds is fine. But a SCRAMmed plant does not instantly become safe nor is it considered completely shut down. You still need heat removal for quite some time afterword ( which varies between designs) . That is where the seismic requirements come in. The heat removal systems must withstand the event and remain operational. Every single safety system and backup safety system is required to endure the event.

  7. Batteries not inclu... err.... needed by mdsolar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Turns out storage is not much needed at 80% renewable energy supply. http://www.engineering.com/Ele...

  8. Re:Can it scram in 10 seconds? by jfmiller · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, in 1999 (when I last toured the plant) the SCRAM time was 3.5 seconds with control rods fully placed in 0.5 seconds if the emergency circuit is tripped. This happens automatically in the event of a 6.0 or stronger quake. An emergency SCRAM requires 30 to 120 days to restart the reactor. Also like all reactors, it requires time to cool. Because DCNP is located on the ocean it does not require active cooling to safely cool the reactor core after a crash. flooding the core with sea water will probably be the end of that reactor, but it will not loose containment. The plant was originally designed to be operational after a 7.0 quake and to not loose containment in the event of a 9.5. After the discovery of the Hsgri fault the design was modified to withstand a 10.8 quake. Analysis after the 2004 6.2 quake in Paso Rubles suggests that the engineering was "very conservative" and that the plant may well be able to survive an 8.0 in operational condition.

    On the other hand, the temporary on site storage of spent fuel was not part of the original plan, In the event of a major seismic event, it is the spent fuel casks that scare me.

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  9. Earthquake Safety isn't the main problem by russbutton · · Score: 5, Informative
    33 years ago I was the cost analyst for the Diablo Canyon project. I've been inside the thing and earthquake safety was huge in the construction of the plant. It is VASTLY over-engineered for earthquake safety. The original spec was to survive an 8.0 earthquake on the San Andreas fault, which is 30 miles away. The Hosgri fault, which is just off-shore, was unknown at the time the plant was first sited and was only discovered later. The plant was re-engineered to withstand an 8.0 earthquake on the Hosgri fault, which hasn't moved in many thousands of years.

    The real problem with Diablo Canyon, and the rest of the nuclear industry is managing the waste. There is no place to put nuclear waste in this country, so it's just stored on-site. That's crazy. You can't do that forever.

    That being said, my expectation is that we'll continue to see tech advancements in solar and wind generation, and energy storage to the point where large central generation will be a thing of the past.