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HP Recalls 6 Million Power Cables Over Fire Hazard

Via the Consumerist comes news that HP is recalling power cables after about 30 reports that they were melting from regular use. From the article: Hewlett-Packard received 29 reports of the melting or charring power cords, two that included claims of minor burns and 13 claims of minor property damage. The black power cords were distributed with HP and Compaq notebook and mini notebook computers and with AC adapter-powered accessories such as docking stations and have an "LS-15" molded mark on the AC adapter. About 5.6 million power cords were sold in the United States, while 446,700 were sold in Canada from September 2010 to June 2012 at electronic stores and hp.com.

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  1. Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How do you fuck something like that up?

    1. Re:Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Outsourcing.

    2. Re:Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 4, Informative

      With the limited info I have I would guess either a cheapskate manufacturer that tried to pass the wrong gauge of cable as the correct one or a crappy connection between a plug and the cable.
      In both cases the cable can't handle the current in a hot room and that could cause the insulation to melt. Especially when the cable is buried under a stack of nice insulating and flammable paper. Molten insulation doesn't stay in it's place, cables connect, short circuit and with the hot insulation (hot means more easily flammable) a flame is born.

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    3. Re:Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by Monoman · · Score: 2

      Outsourcing to the lowest bidder and then not adequately sampling items to verify they were made to spec.

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    4. Re:Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by some+old+guy · · Score: 2

      Probably junction resistance (cold solder) or corrosion (shitty base alloy or plating).

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    5. Re: Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Informative

      How is "Pakis" offensive? It is clearly an abbreviation of "Pakistanis", and I assume you don't find the full word offensive.

      Because, as far as I've ever heard it, it's only ever used as a pejorative term, and definitely not as an endearing shortening of the word.

      I have never heard it as anything but derogatory.

      It's offensive, because that's how it's used.

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    6. Re:Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by dywolf · · Score: 2

      sounds like cutting corners with narrower gage wire and possibly thinner insulation jacket as well.
      i don't know the current draw of the devices in question, but if the wire gage is too thin it will get very hot.
      another possibilty is the connection point between the wire and the connectors. it also needs to be of sufficient cross section to tranfer the full current load without overheating.

      either way the answer is: cutting corners.

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    7. Re: Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by disposable60 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Pakistan, in at least one of the local languages, translates as Land of the (people called) Paks.
      Afghanistan -> Afghans
      Turkmenistan -> Turkmen
      and so forth.

      Paki is a derogation (and a diminutive, besides). Pak would be the proper term, but because of our Latinate collective-nouning habits, it sounds wrong.

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    8. Re: Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Oh, I don't know, how about we ask some Pakistanis how they feel about it instead of Australians?

      Just because someone doesn't think their use of the term is offensive, it doesn't mean that it isn't.

      The people who use the term about other people are the last people you ask if it is an offensive term.

      Like the N-word, if you're not in the group, it's not a term you get to use and say "oh, it's just a word, it's not offensive".

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    9. Re: Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Out of curiosity, have you ever heard Pakistan actually mentioned in conversation without it being a negative reference, anyway?

      Oddly enough, I've known many people from Pakistan over the years.

      They're all nice, normal people, with jobs and families and lives. Not a single one has blown themselves up or anything.

      Out of curiosity, have you ever heard America referenced in conversation without it being a negative reference? The best thing I've heard is they have lots of guns and shoot one another quite often. Maybe I've never heard it used any way other than negatively for a reason; maybe every time they were brought up, it was to make a complaint.

      See what I did there?

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    10. Re: Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by gstoddart · · Score: 3

      Oh right so now we need to segregate language based on how people react?

      No, you're quite free to continue to be an asshole if it pleases you. I don't give a damn if you do. Just own it if you offend the wrong person.

      I don't believe in the right to not be offended. I also don't believe that someone won't respond to you in a way you might not like.

      The question was: why is it offensive? You'll note I said nothing at all about censorship.

      Do you work for the Chinese government?

      Do you still screw your mother?

      You seem to think yourself quite clever, I'm sorry to disappoint you.

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    11. Re:Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by idontgno · · Score: 2

      Is true. Only great motherland can make correct power wires.

      Glory to Arstotzka and its great Patriotic Wire and Cable Harness Factory #4!

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  2. 20 failures from 6 million power cords? recall! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am actually impressed that 20 failures from 6 million power cords leads to a recall. Seriously, I love the fact that we have building techniques that a failure rate that low is _completely_ unacceptable :)

    Humanity really does kick serious arse sometimes.

  3. Re: 20 failures from 6 million power cords? recall by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do still not forget that 20 is the amount who happened to run into problems and bothered to file a proper complaint. It is a hint that there might be actually thousands of faulty cables.

  4. Re:Another nail in the coffin by danknight48 · · Score: 2

    - Horse Poo
    - Honestly Pants
    - Hewlett-Pucktard
    Buffer[9] = 'F';

    whooooo!

  5. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  6. Re:Same folks who made my LED flashlight? by MadKeithV · · Score: 2

    9. flickering again. this time it is my campfire. A rhinoceros appears and stamps the fire out.

    10. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

  7. Not the PSUs? The actual cables? by Cyberdyne · · Score: 2

    How do you fuck something like that up?

    All too easily it seems; my first MacBook Pro power lead caught fire a few years ago as well. This was the low-voltage (hence high current) end, though: in their quest to make everything thin and light, the cable was thin and flimsy, so one of the braided conductors frayed after a while. More current going down a thinner wire meant more heat - which softened the remaining copper and made the problem worse, until arcing started and I got a micro-firework display on my desk. (One of is successors managed to melt the plastic in the plug, that didn't make me happy either!)

    On the mains end, even a hefty (for laptops) 300-odd watt PSU is only 3A from a US outlet, half that on the higher voltages elsewhere - usually easy enough to deal with, but one sloppy connection and you can get a tiny point getting very hot indeed. It's worse on the low voltage end: a single cable possibly carrying 20 or more amps, while getting rolled up, folded and stood on in transit, designed to be very light weight - yet also done on a budget. As soon as you start trying to shave weight and cost, I suspect it's all too easy for a wire to be just slightly too thin for the current, or a connection to be a little bit too weak for long term mobile use.

    If you were building a high school or college electronics project and said you planned to run laptop currents and voltages through such thin wires and tiny connectors, you'd probably be told off or marked down - but commercially, thin, light and cheap trump safety margins and robustness.

  8. Re: 20 failures from 6 million power cords? recall by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    Again: Without more information, all of this is wild speculation.

    The world needs more facts, not more guessing.

  9. HPSupport transferred me to a car dealership in NY by coastal984 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I really wish I was making this up - I called asking about bulk replacement for my organization, and the email address they gave me was not working. So tier 1 said they would "transfer me to the team in charge of the recall." Well, I was connected with Scott, the service manager of a Chevrolet Dealership in upstate New York. Besides a good laugh, he obviously wasn't able to help me very much. *sigh*