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Japanese Publishers Lash Out At Amazon's Policies

Nate the greatest writes: Amazon is in a bitter contract fight with Hachette in the U.S. and Bonnier in Germany, and now it seems the retail giant is also in conflict with publishers in Japan. Amazon has launched a new rating system in Japan which gives preference to publishers with larger ebook catalogs (and publishers that pay higher fees), leading to complaints that Amazon is using its market power to blackmail publishers. Where have we heard that complaint before?

The retailer is also being boycotted by a handful of Japanese publishers who disagree with Amazon offering a rewards program to students. The retailer gives students 10% of a book's price as points, which can be used to buy more books. This skirts Japanese fixed-price book laws, so several smaller publishers pulled their books from Amazon in protest. Businesses are out to make money and not friends, but Amazon sure is a lightning rod for conflicts, isn't it?

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  1. First sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Once you sell something to me, it's none of your business if I choose to re-sell it. In particular, the price I charge is none of you business.

    1. Re:First sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Japan doesn't have First Sale doctrine.

    2. Re:First sale by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Once you sell something to me, it's none of your business if I choose to re-sell it. In particular, the price I charge is none of you business.

      First Sale Doctrine is American law, not Japanese. Book publishing in Japan is a cozy protected racket. Even magazines can cost the equivalent of $10-15 per issue. Amazon is going against deeply entrenched special interests. I wish them luck, but it will not be easy.

    3. Re:First sale by Jeeeb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First Sale Doctrine is American law, not Japanese. Book publishing in Japan is a cozy protected racket. Even magazines can cost the equivalent of $10-15 per issue. Amazon is going against deeply entrenched special interests. I wish them luck, but it will not be easy.

      Coming from Australia, I find books incredibly cheap in Japan. 750yen ($7.50) for a novel. I'm not sure where you are getting $10-$15 for magazines either. Most I've seen are about half that. For example Toyo-keizai (Japanese equiv. of the economist) is only 650yen ($6.50). The manga magazines are even cheaper than that.

  2. Businesses are out to make money and not friends by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Halve your margin and triple your sales.

    >NO BREAKS TO ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY STUDENTS

    It's like they're begging for piracy to happen.

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  3. Re:Comfortable, were we? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

    Unsure about the concept of monopolies and the pressures they can bring to bear suppressing competition are we?

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  4. Amazon riding rough over industry? One recourse. by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Time to sue Apple again and make sure there is zero viable competition remaining for eBooks. Make that rubble bounce.

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  5. Simple. Easy. by vikingpower · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Boycot Amazon. I do, and a lot of people here in central Europe do ( although almost all of the boycotters do live in large cities, with easy access to book stores ). It is actually a physical delight to go, in persona, to a a book store, browse, take your time, and buy -- or place an order for something they don't have in stock. In the latter case, getting the phone call that "your book has arrived, Mr. Faustus" is delightful, too,

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    1. Re:Simple. Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those got driven out of America by big chains 30 years ago. Frankly, I don't enjoy books enough to ever want to deal with a B&M store as mostly what I am buying is technical books, I'd much rather have reviews from people in the field rather then some local bookstore proprietor taking a markup for friendly service. I'd much rather deal with amazon and I'm fine with them putting the screws to the middlemen in that industry after dealing with textbooks, karma is a bitch publishers.

    2. Re:Simple. Easy. by TarDruggan · · Score: 2

      You are correct it is a delight to go to a bookstore in person. What is not a delight is to pay the cost being charged for book. I rejoice for every brick knocked out of the publishers monopoly wall. Remember monopolies and high barriers to entry are the antithesis of capitalism.

    3. Re:Simple. Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with you wholeheartedly about the joys of brick and mortar bookstores. I worked at Borders back during its last gasps, and I heard a lot of the same things from customers. The reason they went tits up however was largely due to failure to price things competitively. Even with a decent employee discount I still mostly bought off of Amazon, because Borders refused to acknowledge that they were basically the only company out there that sold at MSRP. If I buy a lot of books (and I do) and I can get them for $3 cheaper per from Amazon, plus no sales tax, I'm going to be willing to wait the two or three days that shipping takes. Or buy $20 at a time and get free shipping.

      I'm also an author, with my first book coming out in the next month or so. (Lulu, nothing fancy or impressive.) Without print-on-demand and online sales there's really no way that I would be able to put out a low interest niche market work: the economy of scale just isn't there to make it worth a real publisher's time. But being able to have a no overhead sales channel through Amazon it becomes possible for my book to be picked up by some of the small independent brick and mortar stores out there who service the target market. (Read: lets me put my voice, mediocre as it might be, out there when otherwise I never would be able to.)

      So it's kind of a double edged sword, providing an outlet for us nobodies but requiring established business models to adapt or die. Adapt or die is good, I just hope the brick and mortar chains do instead of being stuck in the past.

    4. Re:Simple. Easy. by nblender · · Score: 2

      A pleasure no longer available in my city. The small bookstores were pushed out of the market decades ago by big conglomerates like "Chapters" and "Indigo". "Chapters" has since bought "Indigo" so now there's really only one retailer in the city that sells books, at a dozen locations... The problem is, they also sell scented candles, scented notepads, scented plushies, scented pillows, scented throws, etc... So the place is a veritable onslaught to the senses... My wife and I can endure maybe about 5 minutes in the store before we're sneezing and our eyes are all puffy...

      So now we just order online, sometimes from Amazon.

      I will always remember the smell of an old independant bookstore...

  6. Re:Comfortable, were we? by machineghost · · Score: 2

    What praytell is preventing them from starting their own Amazons?

    Sure, because it's *so* easy to create a successful online bookseller. Gee, why didn't anyone think of that before? Those Japanese people must be idiots. Baka yaroo.

  7. Re:Amazon riding rough over industry? One recourse by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple was only ever competing in the eBook industry on their own devices - and they were hurting the rest of us reading eBooks on other platforms.

    When I can read my Apple eBooks on anything other than an IOS device, then they are in competition, until then they are just a negative on the industry as they are treating IOS as the entire market when dealing with publishers, which affects me over here on a platform Apple will never touch.

  8. Re:Comfortable, were we? by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

    It is if they're willing to play it smart enough.

    I mean you didn't think that computer you're typing on was so cheap because the manufacturers decided to give you a winning personality discount, did you?

    Also I'd advise anyone whining about monopolies to take a good long look at the standard contracts existing publishers make authors sign, as we're on the subject.

  9. Re:Amazon riding rough over industry? One recourse by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh wow, on an *Apple* computer.

    That makes all the difference! There is competition in the market!

    Of course it fucking matters if the competition is only within one very small segment of the market, it means a much higher cost of entry for the consumer - to read my Amazon Kindle book all I had to do was download the free Kindle reading app on any one of my Android phone, Android tablet, Apple phone, Apple tablet, Windows Phone, Windows 8 device, Apple computer, Windows 7 computer, Blackberry or a web browser for the web reader. Or buy a Kindle.

    To take advantage of your "competition" I would have to buy an Apple device...

    If you can't see why that is important, then you are a retard.

    Amazon is providing the better service, and they are doing it without meaningful competition. Apple are locking you into their hardware ecosystem and were raising the price I have to pay on another platform to do it.

    Again, if you can't see why that is important, then you are a retard.

    Apple brings no competition to the market at all, they compete in one relatively small segment and have no interest in providing any service to those not using Apple devices. Fuck them.

  10. Just Bussiness by fermion · · Score: 2
    Amazon is trying to squeeze out publishers. Publishers have trouble competing in the ebook market because they publish physical books, so it it not a matter of if but when they slim down or fail. Publishers appear to asking for larger cut to pay for these inefficiencies, while taking a larger slice from authors even though the authors job has not become that much easier.

    Established authors depend on the publishers to limit the availability of books. In the Amazon world with no incentive to limit the number of published books, and to limit titles to those who will sell many copies, many authors are going to be working at a loss. That may explain why evidence that authors are bieng paid less matters less that the thought that Amazon may be in control.

    So there are no good guys and no bad guys here. Just people trying to make money. When books are gone we the next generation is going to miss then no more than we miss leather bond, gold leafed books with each section having a faux-hand-drawn calligraphy character.

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  11. Re:Difference between publisher and vanity press by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Including promotion?

    Yes. An individual author can promote their book on social media. It is unlikely to become an instant bestseller, but if it is good, word will spread. This is especially true if the author is writing for a niche market that can be targeted in specific online forums.

  12. The world's most protectionist economy by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Japan is a heavily business-oriented society, but not in the free market way that we tend to assume. Most consumer markets are locked up by an oligopoly of the largest players. Competition is considered less important than tradition, and the everyday consumer considers it his patriotic duty to pay more for everything he buys so that the Japanese economy can be promoted. The only way for Americans to imagine what this system is like is to think of the US prescription drug model, extended to every market you shop in. Imagine paying pharmacy prices for computers and cabbages.

    When you go there to live, you will be besieged by friends and relatives asking you to buy cameras and electronics "at Tokyo prices" for them. You need to tell them at the outset that a Nikon or a Sony product is a lot cheaper ordered through Amazon right at home than it would be in Japan. THIS is what those Japanese publishers fear from Amazon operating on their own soil.

    1. Re:The world's most protectionist economy by fullback · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry, but it is not "patriotic duty." I've lived in Japan for over 20 years and most markets are not locked up. There is a sense of community in Japan. Patriotism is not teary-eyed nonsense looking at a colored cloth. It's a sense of living within a society and doing things that benefit a society that's been around for over 1,200 years.

      Japan is small, has no resources, half the population of the US packed into a place the size of California. Police don't kill people and a convenience store robbery (no one gets hurt) is national news.

      The used book business in Japan is huge. People read in Japan; they like books and magazines. They like the touch of paper. It's the most widely read population in the world. People stand at bookstores and read and read and read. The pricing model assures that small publishers exist and a wide variety of books and authors can be published. They are not all gobbled up by conglomerates.

      Japan can do business in Japan however it chooses.

  13. How are the ratings manipulated? by Jumunquo · · Score: 2

    The summary says:
    "Amazon has launched a new rating system in Japan which gives preference to publishers with larger ebook catalogs (and publishers that pay higher fees)."
    This is the main point of the post and yet there are not even a mention of how this rating system manipulation works in the articles linked? Online search just shows sites copying the same line from each other and again w/o explanation. Does anyone know?

  14. a physical delight by Anomalyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a physical delight to go, in persona, to a book store, browse

    Unless you encounter bookshelves where the fantasy and vampire stories are mixed with the science fiction. I get the urge to go mix the romance shelves with the mysteries in retaliation

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