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Why Munich Will Stick With Linux

Jason Hibbets writes: "There are many solved problems in open source. Groupware is not one of them," Georg Greve, co-founder and CEO of Kolab System starts off his post highlighting recent features of the latest release of the Kolab groupware project. He calls out a few newly elected politicians that don't like the current set-up, but says that thousands of users don't have the same experience. "Until today, the city of Munich is using the same stand-alone calendaring and email systems it had used when it was still fully operating on Windows. Updating these systems had a lower priority than the migration to LiMux then. But an upgrade is underway now. And, the solution they chose is agnostic to the desktop platform and will service LiMux and Windows alike. The primary difference made by another migration would likely be due to the perils that come with any migration, such as additional costs and delays. In other words: The very problem used to criticize the LiMux desktop is already being solved."

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  1. At home too by X10 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should teach these people how to install linux on their home computers too. It's less confusing to have one os (all linux) than two (linux in the office, windows at home). Maybe even give them a free linux laptop for the home. They can afford that because of the license fee savings for not using windows.

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    1. Re:At home too by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's nothing easy about getting various H/W setup on Linux even with the best distro.

      What era do you live in? I've been using Ubuntu since inception and, since the second or third release, it's been better with hardware than Windows. I never really look at the HCL. This is distinctly different from Mandrake 7.2 trying to figure out if I need ALSA or OSS and then not getting either to actually play sound (and then sound suddenly stops working why?).

      And this is an option that is only valid if they want to do the same things they do at the office which is probably not the case.

      How do you think Windows became the de-facto home operating system?

    2. Re:At home too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, and just when they got everything working they switched to Unity. :-(

    3. Re:At home too by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Experiences vary.

      My most recent attempt to use Ubuntu on my Thinkpad resulted in me using an external wifi dongle because the internal one wouldn't work, and then after getting things the way I could use them, and accepting that sleeping was risky, my hibernate wouldn't restore, and all the other bugs I could fix later... I settled down to get some work done and I learned that my system randomly would lock solid without error.

      I had to get some work done and I already burned 20 hours troubleshooting, so I put my Windows disk back in and loaded Ubuntu on VirtualBox for my Linux stuff.

      n.b. I've administered Linux systems since 1995.

    4. Re:At home too by Ravaldy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My information is not dated at all actually. Check my other post. I'm 0/5 with Ubuntu (that's version 12 and 14) and 5/5 with Windows 7. I must be the luckiest person when it comes to Linux failure. Don't take me wrong. I can go in terminal mode and get things working but do you expect home users to do this? I'll be happy to post a video of the two laptops I still have at home since they aren't being used. I'll image them and re-install Ubuntu 14 and you'll see. When it takes you 30 seconds between clicks because the generic video drivers aren't good enough, the user says F*** IT!

      The other argument here is that NOBODY cares. The home PC era is dying. Linux or Window won't matter anymore. If you don't see this then I'm the one who has to call you dated.

  2. There is actually one problem with opensource by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is actually one problem with opensource and that is that your organization will be attacked by proprietary companies that are freaking out. But this problem can be turned into an asset. The idea is to identify the ways that the proprietary companies manage to insinuate themselves and eliminate those paths. So if an organization suddenly finds a few of their IT people cheerleading some company like Microsoft, then there should be a thorough investigation as to how they have been turned, was it "free" training? Was it some new head of IT who needs to be removed?

    Then these tactics need to be published so that other organizations can watch for these fifth column attempts and whatnot.

    Often with these situations the company will have salesmen who have commissions well in excess of 1%. So if they can lie, cheat, bribe, or blackmail their way into a organization-wide sale then they could be looking at commissions well into the millions.

    And this is where Open Source generally has a huge weakness; no sleazy salesmen. But that is also where it is very attractive. Most heads of organizations hate how much time they have to waste fending off sleazy salesmen doing underhanded attempts to end run them. Either through the ground floor (converting some IT people) or going over their heads through a board of directors. And never mind those situations where one company will insist that in order to do business with them that they are a "Microsoft Shop" only. So they will do something like insist on work orders be placed through an outlook only system or some stupid sharepoint crap.

    If I were in charge of something like the city of Munich I would put out a memo that says, "If you talk to a large software vendor then your continued employment is unlikely."

  3. Can we have a [credible] MS Access equivalent? by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whereas I appreciate the beauty of OpenSource, I am yet to find a compelling MS Access equivalent in the Linux world. Yes, I know about Kexi, MariaDB, OpenOffice Base and the like.

    But let's face it: There's nothing in the Linux world that can compare to MS Access. Nothing! I am not just trolling. I have developed hundreds small scale MS Access implementations for many clients.

    VB, even with its quirks, does well. I would like a front-end, in which business logic can be programmed. Logic placed right there on the form...Logic and parameters that can be passed to the DB engine. Nothing friendly exists in Lunix, or should I say, "I haven't found one yet." Am I wrong?