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Intel Discloses Core M Broadwell Speeds, Feeds and Performance Expectations

MojoKid writes: Intel's next-generation Broadwell Y (now known as the Core M processor) is set to ship on schedule for the end of the year. The company, occasionally flagged with criticism of its delays on the chip and with its IDF show rampingup next week, is sharing more detail on the upcoming speeds, feeds, features and performance characteristics of its new 14nm mobile platform. Intel's Broadwell-Y lineup initially consists of three chips with apparently very little difference, except for clock speed. Base idle frequencies tip-toe along at 800MHz to 1.1GHz, with max turbo frequencies up to 2.6GHz for the dual-core chips that Intel is announcing today. All parts are able to hit a very low 4.5 Watt TDP (Thermal Design Power) power envelope. Intel is also claiming clock-for-clock gains at the CPU level but also a 40 percent gain in graphics performance, versus the previous generation low power Haswell architecture. Larger, premium tablets and 2-in-1 devices are expect to start shipping at a trickle in Q4, with a larger volume ramp in Q1.

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  1. Yes it does Run Linux by CajunArson · · Score: 3, Informative

    and the GPU drivers have been mainlined in the Kernel for everyone to see for several months already.

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  2. Nice to see Intel tackling power consumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same performance, less power. Thinner, smaller, lighter devices.

    Not much news on the high-end though. Which is fine, I suppose. The bottleneck in the desktop is still the GPU (for games) and file I/O (for everything else. Helloooo SSDs!)

    1. Re:Nice to see Intel tackling power consumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the "tick" part of Intel's update cycle. It's just a die shrink.

  3. MOAR GPU by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    It looks like Intel is making the GPU larger and more powerful with each iteration.

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    1. Re:MOAR GPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It looks like Intel is making the GPU larger and more powerful with each iteration.

      So what you're saying is that if we use these new wonder machines then Beta might only require as little as 30 seconds to respond to each mouse click?

      What will they think of next?!

    2. Re:MOAR GPU by MojoKid · · Score: 1

      Yep, indeed they are. And fortunately capability and drivers are getting slightly better with each revision as well.

    3. Re:MOAR GPU by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It is at the point now where I can comfortably recommend to people that unless they are gaming, they don't need a separate video card whether it is Intel or AMD that they select as their CPU.

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    4. Re:MOAR GPU by lucm · · Score: 1

      You don't get comfortable quick... Over the last 10 years the only time I've decided to upgrade a mobo videocard was during a drunken weekend when for some reason I felt ashamed of having an item with a 4.5 score on the Windows Experience Index utility - I went out and bought a pair of high-end Radeon (with the SLI thing). About $600 to get a 9.1 score.

      Fans were noisy and I was annoyed each time I had to move the computer because I could never tell in which card I should plug the main monitor. But Youtube videos sure looked good.

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    5. Re:MOAR GPU by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      It looks like Intel is making the GPU larger and more powerful with each iteration.

      Well, these chips are primarily for tablets. Fanless tablets. Pretty much the exact opposite of where you'd like to do any serious computing. The CPU is these things mostly exists to support it as a presentation device. I think many people haven't realized how much Intel has moved into the GPU space though, simply because they still think of it as a CPU with integrated graphics. True, they're not competing in the high end discrete graphics cards but they're eating away at the dGPU chips that used to be in all laptops, now you just find them at the very high end. If they took their EUs, put them on a separate chip and multiplied it up to a 250W power budget I wonder how far up the totem pole they'd reach.

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    6. Re: MOAR GPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that it's too important to your story, but the Windows Experience Index scale maxed out at 7.9.

    7. Re: MOAR GPU by lucm · · Score: 1

      Well I also believe that SLI is a Nvidia technology, I just checked and on ATI cards the equivalent was crossfire. I can't tell for sure which one it was, but this is more evidence to the fact that I've been using onboard vga adapters for quite a long time :-)

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    8. Re:MOAR GPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AMD does exactly that, so you could try to compare with AMD's integrated performance, and maybe try extrapolating. But AMD might have better performance integrated by now, due to HSA. Sort of like how FPUs are better off on die.

    9. Re: MOAR GPU by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Not if you overclock you overclock your Windows kernel and add some extra voltage to your control panels.

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    10. Re:MOAR GPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You got drunk and went video card shopping?

    11. Re: MOAR GPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It did, in Windows 7. In Windows 8, it's 9.9

    12. Re:MOAR GPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't rub it in we've all been there. Remember geforce256 with 3d glasses?

    13. Re:MOAR GPU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh hell. I did that while stoned. One day while I was at lunch, I smoked a bowl and decided to go to the CompUSA on Market St. in San Francisco. I came out with a $350 GeForce265 SDR w32MB VRAM and a pair of ELSA 3D shutter glasses. When I got home from work, I set everything up and remember being blown away by "Dagoth Moor Zoological Gardens" and playing Quake in stereoscopic 3D.

    14. Re:MOAR GPU by lucm · · Score: 1

      You have to try something.

      1) Get drunk on dark liquor
      2) Put on the song "Pick up the pieces" by Candy Dulfer. Loud.
      3) Wear your 3D glasses
      4) Play Supaplex

      This will change your life forever.

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    15. Re:MOAR GPU by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I don't think you realize the performance level of a latest Intel dual core CPU that scales between 1.0 and 2.6GHz. It's fucking good enough. Better than Pentium 4, Atom and slightly old ARM, which is what people often are actually using. If you're doing video encoding or RAW photo importing and don't give a fuck whether it takes 5 or 15 minutes, one or two hours.. Good enough, can use AVX/AVX2 for that and you can still use the computer while background processing is occuring anyway.

  4. Tick/Tock has become NOP/NOP by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    As in no discernible improvement in performance even across multiple generations. Intel's process-reduction strategy made sense in the past for improving battery life but now that notebooks are pushing 8+ hours on reasonably-sized batteries I don't think it's enough anymore.

    1. Re:Tick/Tock has become NOP/NOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The gimmick with these chips is that they will enable "fanless" (maximum temperature of 41C, not much more than body temperature) and thin form factors with plenty of performance (hoping for a Surface revival or that people will cool on tablets and get 2-in-1s for "productivity"). TDP nearing that of Atom, but with much better performance. Much of that might be from this huge gulf between the base and turbo frequencies. I can't recall seeing such a large difference between them before. That also means that the power reductions will disappear if you are gaming or doing something else intensive with the chips.

      Intel is apparently still reducing costs per transistor with these ticks. Compare that to TSMC and others who are struggling to make cost effective transistors under 28nm.

      I'd say hold out until your laptop is broken or 5 years, whichever comes first, before replacing it. Eventually Optalysys will release their supercomputers and the cloud will eat everything.

    2. Re:Tick/Tock has become NOP/NOP by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Well, if you look at their power distribution graphics it's now primarily screen, then CPU and then SoC. Even though Intel is improving the last two it seems that to take anything to the "next level" we need more power efficient screens.

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    3. Re:Tick/Tock has become NOP/NOP by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Many data centers are entirely limited by power and cooling. Advances in power savings indirectly increases speeds. Not to mention smaller batteries.

    4. Re:Tick/Tock has become NOP/NOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine 8+ hours on half the size/weight batteries.

    5. Re:Tick/Tock has become NOP/NOP by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Well as long they have little competition why should they push anything?

      I can only hope that AMD and TSMC or GloFo will do something about that.

    6. Re:Tick/Tock has become NOP/NOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine 8+ hours on half the size/weight batteries.

      I can't imagine your nonstandard request. I can imagine 16+ hours on the same size/weight batteries. I can also imagine a runtime in Libraries of Congress-hours. Your, description, however, is bizarre.

    7. Re:Tick/Tock has become NOP/NOP by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      At one point, the absence of (trans)reflective screens will start limiting you.

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  5. Pricing by symbolset · · Score: 1

    I hear these are headed for the premium end of the tablet market, with the usual unsat display resolution. I.E. not going to move units.

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    1. Re:Pricing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with the Surface Pro 3 display resolution?

  6. BORING!!! by Lumpy · · Score: 0

    4ghz per core "turbo" to 5.1 is what is needed, and where the hell is the 8 core i9 processor?

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    1. Re:BORING!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're looking for the Core i7 5960X.

    2. Re:BORING!!! by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      5960X has worse single-core clockspeeds than a 4770K or 4790K.

      It's rather disappointing in that regard.

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    3. Re:BORING!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yeah, but 4790K is pretty hot. Almost the color temperature of direct sunlight.

  7. Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    Why just tablets? This sounds like a full powered, full featured processor for smart phones and a serious attack against AMD's mobile market share.

    Their marketing promises are largely useless (productivity up to 19% better? 3-D graphics up to 47% better? What does that even mean?) but with graphics, wireless, and fast processing in a low power chip they're already there.

    When I saw a mention of a "small L3 cache" I looked at Intel's site (warning: PDF) which also didn't five actual L3 cache sizes. By the way you'll find more technical information about the chip there than in the article. L2 is 256k per core. Cache aside in general it's a solid midrange processor at mobile level power usage. Here's hoping to see them in a phone soon.

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    1. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I may replace my old server computer with one if the prices are right. Especially if intel makes a nice NUC model out of one of these. But it would have to have lots of drive bays and ram slots... I want to try btrfs in dedupe mode.

    2. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Bengie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Smartphones CPUs use more along the lines of 0.2watt max with below 0.01watt idle.

    3. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true... batteries are usually 1000-2000mAh@3.7V or say 4-8Wh... a 4W processor would kill the battery in just an hour or 2, no use.

    4. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For fun, a Casio F91-W watch uses a 2016 lithium battery with 90mAh@3V or 0.27Wh, and runs for at least 7 years (~61320 hours), so the entire watch runs at about 4 uW... woa.

    5. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I.e ARM CPUs? If so they are far ahead of Intel Broadwell i guess.

    6. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      So they can run on a potato?

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    7. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smartphone CPUs are significantly slower though. If you look at performance/watt these chips murder their ARM counterparts.

      They just operate in different power envelopes. The smartphone arm cpu can run at very low power, but the intel cpu can operate significantly faster.

      The Intel cpus, though, are getting much better at running at very low power. A lot faster than ARM cpus are raising their performance ceiling.

    8. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to be able to build almost completely silent cube machine with only a single, whisper-quiet case blower and no other moving parts, excluding drives. With a large IO capacity and a 24/7 full load reliability. (there the dream collided with the reality)

    9. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Kjella · · Score: 1

      That sounds low, here's a test of the iPhone 5 and at maximum power draw they killed a 6000 mWh battery in two hours meaning a power draw of ~3W. Of course that includes the screen and the whole SoC, but if you can put a 5W processor in a tablet I'm thinking 1W in a smartphone seems reasonable. P.S. My Google-fu says that <10 mW is only if the CPU is in suspend/standby mode, basically it's off and waiting for the network or user input to wake it up again. Idle but active draw seems to be more like 30-50 mW which is the target Intel would need to reach. Not Core M territory though, they'll still make Atoms for that.

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    10. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by rrohbeck · · Score: 2

      "Up to x% better" means the same as "less than x% better."

    11. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Nikker · · Score: 1

      Until the birds come along and eat the potato.

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    12. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would probably take 7 years for that watch to calculate Pi to the same precision as a Core M can do in 7 milliseconds.

    13. Re:Imagine, a Beowulf cluster of these! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all top of the line ARM SoCs does so under 100% load without throttling!!!

  8. Not That AMD Needs Another BROADside! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because this will surely sink that doomed ship, AMD, once and for a!!

  9. 4.5 watts is still way too much by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    The bookBook requires a lot less than that.

  10. Watts at idle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm looking for a new desktop system and one of the big things for me is watts consumed at idle and near idle. I don't like to turn my computer off, I don't like to hibernate it. But I do leave it idle for long perionds of time, of course with background processes it isn't 100% idle, more like 99%.

    But I am having a really hard time finding information on what cpus & chipsets are good about idle power consumption. Lots of information about peak consumption but very little about how low it can go (and how fast it can switch in and out of low power modes).

    Can anyone help me out?

    1. Re:Watts at idle? by lucm · · Score: 1

      Most recent operating systems will take care of saving power when the machine is idle, it won't make a noticeable difference what cpu you pick. Look instead at storage: SSD use between 1/3 or 1/4 of the power used by spinners.

      Also if you look at energy efficiency buy one of those smart powerbars that will turn off power in groups (e.g. switching off the speakers when the tv is powered off). Something like a LCG5. This will have a much higher impact on your power bill than cherry-picking computer components.

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    2. Re:Watts at idle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I already have an SSD.
      It doesn't make that much difference for a desktop. A spinning disk is only about 5 watts anyway.
      But a full-blast CPU is 100+ watts. What I care about is how far down the CPU will throttle - will it drop from 100 watts to 50 watts or will it drop down to 5 watts?

    3. Re:Watts at idle? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Those CPU power states the operating system uses are provided by the CPU, and the supporting chipset and power circuitry on the motherboard do determine the power use at idle too. E.g. Haswell CPU have significantly lower idle power use than Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge, and introduce another idle power state on top of that.

      Good hardware reviews sites do tell you about that. Likewise if you use a dedicated graphics card : e.g. Radeon 4870 wastes a shit ton of power even when you use it as a dummy 2D buffer (idling on the desktop in Vista/7 Basic or a 2D linux desktop) while Radeon HD 7000 or 6000 and up uses a handful of watts for that.

  11. MOBILE by fnj · · Score: 2

    It's pretty clear that both the summary and the article are only concerned about mobile Broadwells, and only a very few models at that. But good luck finding that specified anywhere in the verbiage. Myself, I couldn't care less about mobile. For god's sake, throw us a bone about what to expect from Broadwell DESKTOP.

    1. Re:MOBILE by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Myself, I couldn't care less about mobile. For god's sake, throw us a bone about what to expect from Broadwell DESKTOP.

      Myself, I couldn't care less about desktop, since my hexacore AMD chip is still serving my needs and I therefore have no plans to buy a desktop chip any time soon. I care only about server and mobile. SERVE ME, AND IGNORE ALL OTHER USERS OF THIS SITE.

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  12. Perhaps several years ago... by ciroknight · · Score: 1

    These days phone chips have TDPs running around 8-10W, like Exynos 5250's 8W max TDP. If you look at perf/watt at the top end, Intel's chips are still very securely in the lead.

    Yeah, the ARM chips can still clock down way lower, but throwing around numbers like 0.2W max is just being disingenuous.

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  13. MOBILE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Compare these to the Mullins stuff AMD is selling today. Intel needs to keep in the news that they're going to have something real soon now to keep people from buying AMD.

  14. Quad core 64-bit ARM at 2GHz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is also around 5W with CPU and GPU. So what's the big deal Intel? And we're not talking about piddly little ARMs with poor memory bandwidth, we're talking DDR3 1600MHz-1866Mhz or in some of the new ARMs DDR4.

  15. MOD THIS BULLSHIT DOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cortex-A15 chews through power at an impressive rate, comfortably consuming more than 4 watts during load Ã" and thatÃ(TM)s with Samsung throttling the CPU and GPU when it hits 4W; the actual TDP allows for up to 8W.

  16. Quad core 64-bit ARM at 2GHz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, these CPUs are fast but who spends $270 on CPU for a phone or even a tablet.