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Responding to Celeb Photo Leaks, Reddit Scotches "Fappening" Subreddit

4chan might have introduced a DMCA policy, but Reddit goes farther: VentureBeat reports that the online community known as The Fappening has been dissolved by Reddit, in response to its use in posting and sharing many of the photos leaked from dozens of celebrities. This isn’t the first time Reddit has decided to take action to ban certain questionable communities from its site, as its previously killed other subreddits like Creepshots for similar invasions of privacy as well as banned well-known power users shown to enable such actions. ... Reddit system admin Jason Harvey (aka “alienth”) attempted to cool some of the fuss by starting that discussion about why the company decided to ban the subreddit. Most of it boils down to Reddit waiting too long to speak up about it before making the decision to ban, while assuming its users would mostly understand why it took place. ... “If Reddit is truly to be a platform that’s open in any way, it needs transparency when (heavy handed) actions such as these are taken,” said Reddit user SaidTheCanadian in response to Harvey, while also suggesting the company create a “public log” of sorts showing all banning actions as well as explanations for each instance of a banned community. “I don’t want to be part of a community where community voices are silenced without meaningful notice or explanation. (No one really does like that secret police feeling.)”

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  1. Re:please by BasilBrush · · Score: 1, Informative

    namely that Apple would allow brute force dictionary attacks (and claimed there was no security issue, while patching it at the same time)

    There was never any evidence that the hacking was from brute forcing findmyiphone. It was only ever a theory.

  2. Re:Sub Reddits that still aren't banned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the link below...

    Yishan Wong, the chief executive officer of Reddit, has tried to explain why the site has not banned certain subreddits (sections of the website where users share items connected to a specific topic) despite banning the subreddit which contained the stolen pictures of nude celebrities.

    In a Reddit thread under the title “Every Man Is Responsible For His Own Soul” [sic], Mr Wong wrote: “I did not say ‘we won’t ban any subreddits ever’. I said that we don’t ban subreddits for being morally bad. We do ban subreddits for breaking our rules, and one of them is repeatedly and primarily being a place where people post copyrighted material for which valid DMCA requests are being received.”

    Essentially, the company refuses to ban subreddits for being “morally bad” but will if they break any laws or any of the website’s own rules.

    http://i100.independent.co.uk/...

    This seems just a little disingenuous, considering the content of some subreddits that still exist. For instance:

    Racism

    There are hundreds of subreddits that are racist in tone and content. Many use the N-word in their titles or draw comparisons between black people and apes. One discusses the riots in Ferguson, which it describes as “ChimpOut 2014”. In another subreddit, users share video clips and images of black men who are either dead or about to die, usually in violent circumstances. Despite the subreddit combining violent images and racist terminology, it avoids being banned by not directly inciting or calling for violence.

    Bestiality

    Various subreddits discuss sex with animals. While the majority of these are fantasies, drawings or artwork, there are videos of people engaging in sex acts with animals or describing their personal experiences. Zoophilia is a felony in most of the US, but is only a misdemeanour in California where Reddit is based.

    Animal abuse

    On the opposite end of the spectrum, a subreddit exists where users shares images of injured or dead animals, not to raise awareness but as a joke and add their own pithy headline. The images range from innocent pictures of autopsies or hanging meat, to images of road kill (a dog missing its rear legs and abdomen), poaching victims (a rhino with its horn torn off) and even full-blown animal cruelty, including videos of men beating animals.

    Creep shots

    Reddit got into trouble in 2012 over /r/creepshots, a subreddit where users shared sexualised pictures of women they had secretly taken. While the subreddit and similar ones were taken down, clones of it still exist, the names of which we will not share.

    Self-harm

    One of the Reddit rules restated by Mr Wong is that “Actions which cause or are likely to cause imminent physical danger (e.g. suicides, instructions for self-harm, or specific threats)” are prohibited. Yet somehow a subreddit filled with nothing but pictures of self-harm persists.

    All sorts of misogyny

    If it’s misogynistic, it will eventually find itself on Reddit. For instance, there are separate subreddits dedicated to killing, beating and raping women. While the subreddit /r/beatingwomen is banned, a clone page is still active. In some cases these are either fantasies or simply users sharing porn videos of consenting adult performers, but some of the content goes beyond the pale, or links to subreddits about

    Dead women

    A subreddit exists where users shares pictures of dead bodies (almost all of them women) described in sexualised terms (“Morgue babes”, “fit young thing”, “gorgeous Brazilian girl with bullet wounds.”).

    The images on the subreddit are either from crime scenes or accidents such as car crashes, or of bodies in

  3. Re:please by BitZtream · · Score: 1, Informative

    ... After 3 to 6 attempts, your account requires additional authentication to login. You automatically get sent to Iforgot.apple.com for all new requests.

    It wasn't a brute force attack nor was it recently patched unless you think 'years ago' is recent.

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  4. Re:Bah humbug censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    False equivalence. Minus 50 points for slytherin.

    It's more like blaming somebody who was killed in a car accident that was somebody else's fault after they chose to wear their seatbelt, but design flaw they weren't aware of made it ineffective.

  5. Re:Sub Reddits that still aren't banned... by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who don't know how DMCA safe harbor provisions work, it protects a web site from liability if one of its users should violate copyright on it. e.g. Someone uploads a copyright movie to YouTube, and the safe harbor provision protects YouTube from being sued by the studios for copyright infringement. However, in order to qualify for the safe harbor provision, the site has to take certain measures. Most notably, they have to respond to those DMCA takedown notices within a reasonable timeframe by either taking the alleged infringing work down (and informing the user why and how to issue a challege), or with a response explaining why they're not taking it down. If they fail to do this, they become monetarily liable for the copyright infringement of their users.

    Regardless of your opinion on celebrities, taking nude photos of yourself, cloud storage, porn, or hacking, this is pretty clearly a copyright violation. The copyright on the photos belong to the celebrities who took them, and they have sole, exclusive control over distribution in any country which is a signatory to the Berne Copyright Convention. Contrary to popular belief, you do not have to register a copyright for a work to be copyrighted. Any copyrightable work you create is automatically copyrighted. The only thing registering does is raise the damage ceiling in a lawsuit (without registration you can only collect damages suffered; with registration the limit is $200,000 per infringed work). So Reddit may have been premature in quashing the subreddit before they got a DMCA notice, but it was inevitable they were going to get one and they would've had to quash it anyway.