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California Declares Carpooling Via Ride-Share Services Illegal

An anonymous reader writes: Ride-share companies like Uber, Lyft, and Sidecar got letters from the California Public Utilities Commission this week telling them that carpool features for their services are illegal. "Basically, the CPUC says that under California law it's illegal for these ride-sharing services to charge passengers an individual fare when carrying multiple people in one vehicle. If the companies would like to add a carpool feature, they first have to request an adjustment to their existing permits with the CPUC or petition the state legislature to modify the law. Uber, Lyft and Sidecar all unveiled carpool features last month. The three companies say the feature lets strangers in multiple locations, but heading the same direction, share rides and split fares — saving passengers up to 50 percent per ride." This news arrives just as Uber gave in to the demands of striking drivers who claim the company is undermining their ability to earn a livable wage.

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  1. Re:Can we please cann these companies what they ar by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do you need to be "fully licensed" to have someone pay you to drive somewhere

    Why do you need to be fully licensed to cook food for someone?

    don't need anything special to, you know, actually carpool with someone or drive a friend of a friend you don't even know to the airport?

    You also don't need anything special to cook a meal and give some of it to a friend of a friend you don't even know. That would be sharing. When you add the exchange of money in excess of costs and cooking to order it becomes a restaurant and subject to health and safety laws.

    Part of the licensing of cabs is the safety of the cabs. For example drivers are required to inspect their vehicles daily and have them inspected by an independent company every six months. Part of the driver's license is the ability to do the pre-trip inspection. There are also limits on the number of hours a commercial driver can drive. If drivers cet caught too many time their commercial license is pulled. You can do that with a non-commercial license.

  2. Re: Can we please cann these companies what they by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you use $6 in gas and they pay you $12 then there is $6 profit. What you deliberately miss is that Uber drivers would not be making those trips if not paid for them.

    If you have someone over for dinner and they pay more than their share or the groceries that go into the meal, are you running a restaurant for profit?

    No. But if many different people come over, you cook to order and charge more than the cost of ingredients and energy then you are a restaurant.

    Allowing someone to piggyback on something you are already doing and contributing to the cost is sharing. Doing something specifically at the request of someone else and charging more than the costs is not sharing. That is called running a business.

  3. Re:Read the GP's comment, fuckface. by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess I don't get the mathematics of poverty. If I'm going somewhere with a friend, I was already going there anyway and wouldn't charge them gas money. I'd only charge if I was taking them somewhere I had no intention of going and I wanted to be a dick about it.

  4. Re:Can we please cann these companies what they ar by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What moral authority does the state have to stop consenting adults from forming their own contracts and doing business with each other?

    Well, for starters, it's expected to enforce these contracts. Every legally binding contract has the state as a third party.

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