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Technological Solution For Texting While Driving Struggles For Traction

An anonymous reader writes: While legislators and police try to tackle the epidemic of distracted driving through education, regulation, and enforcement, Scott Tibbitts is trying to solve it through engineering. He developed a small device which, when plugged into a vehicle, would determine which phone belonged to the driver and shut off its texting and voice call capabilities. "The telematics box sends a wireless message that the car is moving. The phone sends its own message about its location. Both sets of information — from the car and phone — are sent to Katasi's servers. Then, an algorithm weighs the incoming data with other information, like the location of the phones belonging to all the people who drive the car and the starting point of the trip; if the trip starts at Junior's high school, and mom and dad's phones are at work, the driver has been identified — Junior is driving."

The problem is that Tibbitts can't get anyone interested in setting up a system to make these devices ubiquitous. Consumers can't be sold on such a product: all evidence suggests people are increasingly unwilling to be cut off from constant communication. So, he tried working with carriers. Sprint partnered with Tibbitts long enough to test the device, but they were afraid of the legal risks involved. Now, Tibbitts is nursing the technology along, looking for a way to get it into cars and make people safer.

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  1. A solution in search of a problem... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If someone has so little self-control as to be unable to avoid talking or texting while driving, why are we allowing them to drive in the first place?

    The energy in a 4,000lb vehicle moving at 40-60 mph is considerable.

    Perhaps we need stricter drivers license requirements?

    1. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by Karmashock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A policeman in Los Angeles killed a man by answering emails while driving.

      He was not even charged with a crime for it because apparently by answering police department email it was all in the service of the badge.

      In this context... they continue to go after people that might answer a text while driving whether people are even injured or not.

      Don't get me wrong... you shouldn't answer texts while driving. But I am incensed that the police officer is not even put on trial for manslaughter or negligent homicide.

      If the police need to answer email while driving, then either give them automated cars or require them to have two police officers in every car. Short of that... they should be paying attention to driving while driving. Until that is a rule, I can't take this whole topic seriously.

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    2. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by flargleblarg · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In reality, it turns out, 9:30 and 3:30 are safer.

      Oh yeah? 9:30 and 3:30 are not mirror-opposites. Did you mean 9:30 and 2:30?

    3. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I simply agree... The police don't seem to feel they are subject to the same laws they are enforcing... which is a shame, and backwards to how it should be (they should be held to a stricter standard).

    4. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speeding = higher risk of crash.

      Meh, that propaganda has been around for awhile...

      How is this modded "Informative" when this thread (GP's and GGP's posts) is about speeding in a school zone (not the Autobahn)?

      The main reason for slower speeds in school zones is often to avoid pedestrian injuries and deaths -- since little kids sometimes do unexpected things and run into roads without thinking.

      To an extent, speeding can perhaps make a crash worse, but that isn't really why we have speeding laws.

      I think if you hit a kid going 25 mph (a typical school zone speed limit), you are already going to seriously injure and maybe kill him/her. But at least at a lower speed you might have a better chance of avoiding the kid by braking, swerving, etc. If you're going 45 mph or whatever the normal speed limit is on that road, the kid is probably dead. Sorry -- but speeding in a school zone BOTH (1) results in a higher risk of "crash" AND (2) will likely result in greater injury.

      We have them to generate income for the government, specifically local and state government, to the tune of $6.2 billion last year.

      Yeah, we'd never enact speeding laws to protect pedestrians in high-traffic areas, or anything silly like that!

      The German Autobaun is safer per mile driven than US highways. Many reasons for it:

      While you make some reasonable points, this has little to do with the present discussion of a school zone. But even outside of schools, there are all sorts of reasons for speed limits that are not politically motivated, like:

      (1) Residential areas or business districts with higher pedestrian traffic

      (2) General density of environment -- e.g., curves or other obstacles that decrease visibility of road ahead, how easy it is to see cars pulling out from side streets/driveways, how many random "manuevers" you're likely to see because cars need to change lanes to make turns, park, etc.

      (3) Traffic flow on busy roads and congested highways: traffic has transition thresholds, sort of like laminar vs. turbulent flow in fluids. If everyone is driving at 65 mph in a highly congested area, and someone just brakes at the wrong time or cuts someone off, it can set up a traffic wave that propagates backwards and might result in stop-and-go traffic for 20 minutes. If, instead, people drive at 45 mph on average in the same traffic density, they have more time to react, and it can actually increase traffic throughput by making stop-and-go traffic less likely. That's one of the reasons many cities have introduced variable speed limits on highways that get lowered near rush hour: they're not trying to generate more revenue (usually) -- they're actually trying to help you get home faster. If you refuse to obey them and end up braking hard because of something unexpected which you would not have been a problem at a lower speed, you're likely contributing to traffic jams.

      SUMMARY: Your argument is about maximum speed limits on straight highways. This thread is about the vast majority of roads which exist in less optimal conditions with less visibility, more obstacles, pedestrians, etc. In those cases, perhaps unlike the Autobahn, speed limits definitely make sense. And Germans agree, since they have speed limits under these scenarios.

      And if you're that jerk you keeps weaving through traffic and passing me on the right in mornings when I'm going through school zones on a busy 4-lane road, STOP IT. You're endangering people, mainly pedestrians (one of whom I actually saw hit during my commute). THAT'S why we sometimes need speed limits.

    5. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For certain very lucky values of "safely", sure. Taking your eyes completely off the road to do something is, quite simply, never a good idea.

      Nonesense. You take your eyes off the road all the time in order to specifically drive safely. You take your eyes off the road when you check your speedometer, tack, warning gauges, mirrors, to read road signs and look for crossing traffic, and so on as a function of driving safely.

      Every one of those functions take less time than writing a text message. Furthermore all those functions are designed to be easy and safe to do while driving. Text messaging was never designed with that in mind.

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    6. Re:A solution in search of a problem... by RandomAdam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I once tried to reply to a text while going down a gentle grade on my mountain bike....ended up on my ass....pine cone in a shadow caught the front wheel.....I had done it many times before and it was fine. Just goes to show just because you succeed in not crashing 100 times doesn't mean that you will succeed 101 times. I haven't done it again since...too much to do to risk being injured for a text message.

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  2. How about some self control? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Jesus FUCKING Christ, do people today really not have any self control? Can they really not just avoid using their cell phones for a few minutes? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

  3. JUST TURN OFF THE MOTHERFUCKING PHONE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey I've got a technical solution to this problem, too: TURN OFF THE MOTHERFUCKING PHONE!

  4. Fines work better ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fines and public education work better than a technical solution to stupidity. People understand when it hits their wallet directly and when their phones are confiscated.

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  5. Nobody wants this by Pumpkin+Tuna · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See, here's the thing. Fuck Scott Tibbitts.
    I don't want his technology. There are so many scenarios where this would unnecessarily screw up my life. What if I'm driving and my wife wants to use my phone to answer a call? That's just one.

    More importantly, my car has a built in hands free that I can operate by voice. Why should I not be allowed to use it.

    If we really want to make the roads safer, give me the power to arrest the dipshits that fly around me on the Interstate doing 20 miles above the speed limit and changing lanes like they are at Daytona.

    1. Re:Nobody wants this by jimhill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, fuck this guy. His next step since he can't get anyone to buy his product voluntarily will be to explain to some legislators over dinner (his treat) and maybe a round of golf (ditto) why it's a good idea for them to mandate it. One way or another, our boy Scotty gonna get paid.

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  6. Wrong Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the wrong solution. People hate driving in general. Before texting was a thing, I would observe people reading the NYT (full blown page open in front of their steering wheel) while commuting to work.

    Driving is boring, and people use whatever means possible to give themselves something interesting to do while it's occurring. Put the research into voice recognition. It's always been easier to talk than to type.

  7. Who Cares Who's Driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is completely ignoring the fact that anyone in the car could be using the phone. There have been plenty of times I've been in the car when the driver gets a call and I answer it, or call someone from their phone because they had the number pre-programmed, or I'm looking up direction (or doing anything else) on their phone because their's is better than mine. While phones have become sort-of personal devices (for all you upper class families who can afford the luxury of having smart phones and data plans for each family member), they are still easily shared between people and strangers.

    This still ignores the fact that the parent's phone could have been forgotten at work and Jr is not driving. There are so many other things wrong with this tech. It should be left to die.

  8. bullshit by silfen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    His "solution" is utter bullshit, trying to capitalize on "think of the children", helicopter parenting, and potential legislation.

    It's usually easy to tell whether a driver involved in an accident was texting and the penalties can be stiff (including manslaughter or vehicular homicide).

    Furthermore, the right company to partner with are insurance companies, but they already have a better mechanism for monitoring in place: they don't care whether you text per se, they care whether you drive erratically for any reason. For lower insurance rates, you can agree to monitoring. Nice voluntary solution and incentive.

    Finally, if there is a technical solution to be developed, it's a good voice-based, hands-free texting app that lets you text with a Bluetooth headset. Phone calls and voice interfaces are legal in most places, and will likely remain so. That's also something many people would use voluntarily because it is both safer and convenient.

  9. Re:Won't work by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure as hell not going to allow even MORE TRACKING just to support this hair brained scheme, Track everyone who ever rode in that car just to maker sure they aren't driving it?

    Phones and car kits already offer to reply that the owner is driving, or to read it aloud, and take a reply verbally. There is no excuse t go all NSA on every passenger.

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  10. Engineers and Legislators by Sarusa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another engineer who thinks he can cobble up a single technological solution to a social problem.

    This is the same sort of hubris that has legislators passing random crap to 'fix' a problem with zero understanding of the problem or the consequences of their solution. It's arrogance. For one, it assumes you're smarter (or at least sharper) than the people you're trying to control.

    (Disclaimer: I'm an engineer.)

  11. Re:Location, location, location. by stoploss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not going to give a third party who is not strictly regulated in how and what can be done with this information permission to track my location 24/7 in order to tell if I'm driving my car or someone else is just to disable communications.

    This. I can't believe he thought his solution was reasonable when "all" it has to do is have a database of where your family works, goes to school, which cars you own, and, of course track your entire family's location 24/7.

    FFS, I'm an engineer and I take special delight in degenerate solutions, but this is fucked up.

    Maybe this is a degenerate solutions competitive. Okay, let me try one of my own: we will have one member of the Stasi handcuffed to every licensed driver in the country, 24/365. Their job will be to monitor everyone's driving and ensure that the law is being abided. No, of *course* the Stasi member won't share the personal, private aspects of your life with the government... they're just there to keep everyone safe!