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Treasure Map: NSA, GCHQ Work On Real-Time "Google Earth" Internet Observation

wabrandsma) writes with the latest accusations about NSA spying activity in Germany. According to top-secret documents from the NSA and the British agency GCHQ, the intelligence agencies are seeking to map the entire Internet.
Furthermore, every single end device that is connected to the Internet somewhere in the world — every smartphone, tablet and computer — is to be made visible. Such a map doesn't just reveal one treasure. There are millions of them. The breathtaking mission is described in a Treasure Map presentation from the documents of the former intelligence service employee Edward Snowden which SPIEGEL has seen. It instructs analysts to "map the entire Internet — Any device, anywhere, all the time." Treasure Map allows for the creation of an "interactive map of the global Internet" in "near real-time," the document notes. Employees of the so-called "FiveEyes" intelligence agencies from Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, which cooperate closely with the American agency NSA, can install and use the program on their own computers. One can imagine it as a kind of Google Earth for global data traffic, a bird's eye view of the planet's digital arteries.

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  1. it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The last 4 or 5 major disclosures from Snowden documents have gone unreported in the mainstream US press. Sure, you can find them on some more off the path sites, but the mainstream press has moved on. It's not as important as (from current CNN site): "Is this a spaceship or super mall?", or "5 ways to think yourself well!"

    As far as the vast, vast majority of the public is concerned, it's over. Forgotten. Our cultural attention span was exhausted, and nothing happened. The chance of serious change now - like disbanding the organization and arresting those responsible for widespread constitutional violations - is now zero.

    And they know it.

    1. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Informative

      The good news is people meeting the press are more aware of having their cell phone on or powered and with them.
      The press can now understand that turning off a phone can be seen as getting ready to meet a contact.
      Anyone in the same area at the same time who turns off their phone might be that contact. Kind of a short list :)
      The press is more aware of been under constant surveillance.
      Treasure Map just adds to the collect it all idea and that digital entry or exit points can be fully reconstructed or are always been tracked.
      Thats a lot of expensive effort to put into signals intelligence considering what most skilled nations fully understood about global telephone and computer networks going back over decades.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Depends on the phone used, telco and gov. Just pressing off might be the only option with some tame telco products. Removing a battery might be an option with other telco products.
      A gov or mil may wish to map out the path taken by a member of the press A person turns their phone off in the same area and then both phones are turned on again moving away from each other later?
      Kind of easy to track the members of the press still covering gov and mil stories in person per city.
      If one person left their phone battery in thats a live malware or telco activated mic in real time. Treasure Map would be fun for the office computer, home computer, any devices on the move.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:it's over: the media (in the US) have moved on. by stoborrobots · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or simply temporarily leaving them behind? I'd leave my phone on the desk in my office if I was going to meet a contact I didn't want associated with me...

  2. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by PPH · · Score: 2

    I don't see any freedoms being preserved here.

    Sure, there are lots of nasty people like pedos online. And I support law enforcement in their reasonable efforts to remove them. But aside from soothing my conscience, whether some people are downloading kiddie porn or not doesn't affect me.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  3. So they'll suffer from TMI by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Too Much Information (TMI) can be as big a problem as too little information.

    With all that information, you can get a false sense of security that you know enough and get bitten.

    With all that information, you tend to focus on what you see and not what you don't - you develop tunnel vision.

    With all that information, resources that could have been devoted elsewhere are taken up sorting out the trash and the false positives.

    Blank spots stay blank. Example - Android phones have had NFC since Gingerbread, so if two operatives want to exchange data (photos of a target, NSA documents, etc), they can do it in person just by using Android Beam or Bump-to-Exchange, without saying a word to each other, just standing in line to pay for a newspaper.

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    1. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by transporter_ii · · Score: 2

      The Internet of Things will be of help for this. We need hacks so that everything sends out random information. If they want information, let's drown them in a sea of it.

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    2. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Nations can just use their number stations. One time pads and decades of very safe trusted sleeper agents are promoted.
      Signals gathering expects the world to be using this generations ww2 ENIGMA like network over decades - tame telco crypto networks and internet will bring back lots of useful data as all other nations are not careful.
      The interview with whistleblower William Binney: 'The NSA's main motives: power and money' (19.08.2014)
      http://www.dw.de/binney-the-ns...
      "Money. It takes a lot of money, you have to build up Bluffdale [the location of the NSA's data storage center, in Utah] to store all the data. If you collect all the data, you've got to store it, you have to hire more people to analyze it, you have to hire more contractors, managers to manage the flow. You have to start a big data initiative. It's an empire. Look at what they've built!"
      Face to face, holidays, dual citizens, smart people invited in by rushed digital clearances. Clearances issued for a contractor to bring in expert staff.
      Other nations have no need for their own to use the "Treasure Mapped" internet in any interesting ways.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:So they'll suffer from TMI by melchoir55 · · Score: 2

      TMI isn't a thing if everything is digital. Machine learning classification techniques (go look up something as simple as maximum entropy) can do a great job of identifying classifications with high accuracy. What is being classified? Well, presumably whatever "they" think are threats to the nation, or at least to whoever has control of the system. One can analyze the behavior of targets deemed a threat and find common features shared between those targets. Even stuff a human would never, ever think to correlate could matter (the humidity, time of day, day of year, AND whether they are a certain religion). The beauty is that a human doesn't need to work out what correlates with a threat. The machine does it. You give it features, it gives you statistical probabilities that the entities in your data are a threat. It would take an enormous amount of computing power to do this with the amount of data the NSA apparently has. Something like this for example:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

      Then it is just a matter of drawing the line for the threshold of what constitutes a threat. I just described something someone could have done 10 years ago. Machine learning has come along pretty well since.

      The state of affairs is so disturbing because all technical hurdles to a dystopia have been overcome. Someone with these resources won't suffer from information overload. There DO exist learning algorithms which can deal with this much data and they clearly have invested in the necessary hardware. Laws and morality don't appear to be slowing them down. What safeguards are left...?

  4. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    APK is a renowned Internet kook, hostfile whackjob, fucktard and pedofile. His specialty is threadjacking and sockpuppeting to talk about his malware-infested crapware and various conspiracies. No-one EVER knows WTF he's talking about. The current question of how MAC adresses would get into TCP/IP frames is also a fine example that HE doesn't know what he's talking about, either.

    He will respond to this and any following posts with "learn to read", "you're projecting", "I'm not APK, but he's my hero", re-post the same reply 7 times, etc., etc., etc. until the time_t's wrap around or he has the last post in every sub-thread.

    Hey Kowalski, I thought I told you to fuck off and not come back!

  5. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    Second, what is APK? Using abbreviations is great except when it is one you dreamed up yourself and no one else knows WTF you are talking about.

    Otherwise known as "The HOSTS file troll." (Google for "hosts file troll apk") Stuck in the '90s, attacks anyone who makes fun of his "solution" by using multiple anonymous accounts. Real name Alexander Kowalski. Demonstrates traits of narcissism, transphobia, etc. Post something negative about his obsolete "HOSTS file solution" and watch the resulting crap-flood.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  6. Re:No pedo here BarbaraHudson by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    Sorry, but the post you're responding to isn't mine. Paranoid much? But thanks for reminding me that you also have something against people who are handicapped. Real quality act you got going there, Kowalski.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  7. Past all the NATed machines. hmm by AbrasiveCat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I am sure this is a project that will earn millions of dollars for some companies and promotions for individuals, I am not sure how successful you can be at mapping everything. I would imagine more than half of the Internet is hidden behind various NAT boxes. Even with the help of folks like Comcast, CenturyLink, Verizon, AT&T, and the rest of our friends who might help the NSA and GCHQ; we still have businesses, colleges and universities, and most households with most of their computers hidden behind NAT. Maybe when IPv6 becomes ubiquitous it might be possible. I agree with a earlier post too much data, no enough content.

  8. Re:This must work by MAC addresses... apk by Khyber · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is APK

    http://www.thorschrock.com/200...

    A clueless, witless idiot that uses threats to try to get his way.

    Tactless, incorrect (the fact he mentions MAC addresses of modems proves he doesn't know jack shit, when that only identifies a gateway device, not an actual user, much like an IP address,) clueless, bull-headed, autistic child without a fucking clue. This is why he has to post AC on Slashdot and why he is banned from Wikipedia.

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  9. Re: This must work by MAC addresses... apk by sexconker · · Score: 2

    Go ahead and spoof your IP and MAC. See how well you can send and receive data online.
    Hint: If you're receiving data back via IP protocols, your IP is visible/traceable.
    Hint: If you're receiving data back on Ethernet networks, your MAC is visible/traceable.
    The ISP you connect to has a log of what IP was assigned to what connection at what time, along with where their control of that connection terminates.

    What you want to be doing is using connections that aren't associated with you in any way, and are not near your place of residence, while using a different MAC every time.

  10. Lets begin at the top by Camael · · Score: 2

    Sometimes we must take away a few freedoms to preserve the majority of freedoms.

    Sure, let us begin by taking away the government's freedom to legislate such insanity. If the system is rigged and broken, break the system.

    This quote from Thomas Jefferson seems apt :-

    "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

  11. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by dryeo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The surveillance puts a damper on free speech, it's hard to freely communicate knowing the government can be listening in. This is especially true for dissenting political speech, whether you're part of the opposition party or more extreme the possibility that the government can be listening in dampens. The government is quite capable of screwing you if you come to its attention as a threat of any kind. Whether digging into your tax situation, spreading mis-information or setting you up for a criminal investigation.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  12. Seems like a circular argument by Camael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What takes your freedom away is not surveillance, it's not even the police, it's the law. Surveillance and the police are just tools, they're not the source of the problem. If you want to fight for your freedom, fight the source of the problem.

    The law and the tools enforcing the law are parts of the same whole. Neither can co-exist without the other. A law which is not enforced is just a meaningless scribble. A policeman without the authority granted by the law is just a hired gun. Conducting surveillance without legal authority is being a peeping tom.

    Fighting the tools is just as important as fighting the source. The tools are what enables the unjust laws. The Prohibition was ultimately ineffective because the masses decided to ignore the law.

  13. Re: Why do you hate freedom? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    But you have cookies, and browser fingerprints, and logons, and device ID / Application ID info...

    Riding on a free uplink doesn't do jack.

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    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  14. Re:Why do you hate freedom? by ajb673 · · Score: 2

    How can those person screw you?

    They can screw you quite easily because they're the ones in control of the surveillance and the power. Do you really expect those in power to let us know that they've done anything unlawful?