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Extent of Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches Record Levels
schwit1 writes Scientists have declared a new record has been set for the extent of Antarctic sea ice since records began. Satellite imagery reveals an area of about 20 million square kilometers covered by sea ice around the Antarctic continent. Jan Lieser from the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre (CRC) said the discovery was made two days ago. "Thirty-five years ago the first satellites went up which were reliably telling us what area, two dimensional area, of sea ice was covered and we've never seen that before, that much area."
Agreed. The "spreading out" of thin ice might just be due to a lot of ice falling off the Antarctic and more precipitation -- if it were cooler, you'd have less.
This might a good "negative" feedback mechanism that reduces overall infrared absorption -- at least in Antarctica, but likely not enough to curb the trend.
But those who say " we need more research" before affecting someone's profits -- well, they will think this proves something.
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Yes, hide the dissenting data! Don't look at it! We need to evangelize the narrative, people.
Is that how this science works?
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It's important to note that the Antarctic has been recovering ozone for 40 years since CFCs were banned. That means more protection from the sun. More ice, more rain, less UV, etc. It stands to reason that the Antarctic would grow ice as the natural greenhouse effect of having an ozone would take effect.
Since when does science reject new data? That's not the empirical science I was taught.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
A "Carbon Tax" is not the way to solve the problems, and this is the solution that has been peddled by Al Gore and countless others trying to implement Agenda 21.
The first Cap-and-Trade program in the US was under Ronald Reagan and came out of his administration.
The Clean Air Act of 1990 includeds GHWB's cap-and-trade proposal for sulfur pollution.
GWB included a cap-and-trade proposal in his "clear skys" bill.
While running for president in 2008 McCain proposed to reduce global warming pollution via a cap-and-trade program.
I'm sorry. Tell me again how taxation (which is what cap-and-trade does) is a "Al Gore" idea.
this directly contradicts the academic literature...for you to make this claim you need to link to some kind of evidence
also, the fact that you say "To assume is wasn't a natural cycle is ridiculous" shows you are misrepresenting your opposition...
pollution harms the environment...you cannot contradict that fact
Thank you Dave Raggett
Ignoring science in favour of conspiracy theories is ignorant.
No, science should not be ignored but that does not mean that conspiracies do not exist. They do.
Citing the errors of celebrities as evidence of the failings of science is... jibberish (sic).
Al Gore is not just a celebrity. Sadly, many people are influenced by his gibberish. I agree with your basic premise but most AGW advocates ignore and will not address contrary evidence, preferring instead to ridicule and cast aspersions, as you do. What is there to fear from an open discussion and equal treatment of all available evidence, unless a predetermined outcome is the goal?
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
-- Pablo Picasso
How many times did your boss tell his customers it would be ready next week after you told him it would take a month. I've seen that too many times. This is just another example of the top wig tailoring the information for his needs.
Not saying that's what happened but I'd be surprised that the scientists would put the end of ice in the north pole so close.
BTW, how did we start talking about the north pole when this article is about the south pole? or am I confused as usual?
The actual scientists may be formulating their claims conservatively indeed. And the morphing does occur.
But it is not the critics, but rather the politicians and journalists — peddling the global warming panic — who are doing the morphing. "The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff," — are the actual words of Al Gore from 2007 — "It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now."
Yeah, he said "could be" — about as evasive as Geico's "could save you 15% or more"... But it increased — a lot — instead of shrinking so he was not even in ball-park. And thus, any scientific models used by to make that dire prediction are invalid and any policies based on those models ought to be abolished at once — regardless of how many solyndras have been financed already following those policies.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Distinction without difference. Both ice caps were supposed to melt — dangerously increasing water-levels planetwide.
Citation needed.
This would explain, why the water levels have not risen. And it would illustrate, how the "conservatively formulated claims" of the scientists become shrill calls for immediate action ("We must do something!"), when the politicians get to them — and dangerously wasteful such actions can be...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
What mystical crap?
anthropomorphic global warming (AGW) is a fact.
In fact, it's so simply even you could devise a test.
1) Visible light strikes the earth
2) Visible light has nothing for CO2 to absorb, so it pass right on through.
3) When visible light strike an object, IR is generated.
4) Green house gasses, such as CO2, absorb energy(heat) from IR
5) Humans produce more CO2(and other green house gasses) then can be absorbed through the cycle.
Each one of those has been tested, a lot. You notice deniers don't actual address facts of AGW? Don't have a test that shows those fact to be false?
So now you have to answer:
Why do you think trapping more energy(heat) in the lower atmosphere does not impact the climate?
That's what anthropomorphic climate change (ACC) is.
How about you actual look at the science?
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Sheesh! Sea ice has essentially zero effect on sea level whether it forms or melts. It's the land based ice like the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets that have an effect on sea level. If you're not paying enough attention to the science to understand even that simple concept why should I think anything else you have to say is worth listening to.
Perhaps the only denialist is yourself, who sees trends in red noise data and claims apocalypse is near.
Tubby or not tubby. Fat is the question