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NSW Police Named as FinFisher Spyware Users

Bismillah writes Wikileaks' latest release of documents shows that the Australian New South Wales police force has spent millions on licenses for the FinFisher set of law enforcement spy- and malware tools — and still has active licenses. What it uses FinFisher, which has been deployed against dissidents by oppressive regimes, for is yet to be revealed. NSW Police spokesperson John Thompson said it would not be appropriate to comment "given this technology relates to operational capability".

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  1. Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You'd expect they're using it as part of their day to day jobs to help keep people safe.

    Here in Australia we don't fear our police - they have a strong history of generally doing the right thing by the people they serve.

    1. Re: Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spying on your own citizens is a worse crime than spying on the government. The punishment should be in proportion to that. Kill the fuckers.

    2. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe so... but was it really worth it for them to pay the 20% Australia tax for this bit of software?

      *rim shot*

    3. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Here in Australia we don't fear our police"

      Had submissiveness to authority been inbred from your days as a penal colony?

    4. Re:Not surprised by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Here in Rome we don't fear our great generals. So let's just give one some emergency power to one to solve a problem scary to our democratic sensibilities. We can take it away later.

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    5. Re:Not surprised by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Here in Australia we don't fear our police - they have a strong history of generally doing the right thing by the people they serve.

      Don't feel bad, it's ok. You'll catch up with the rest of the world soon.

    6. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice troll, but we dont have soldiers with badges as our police, we have actual police instead.

    7. Re:Not surprised by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, then perhaps you should stop them from breaking that trend and not let crap like this slide.

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    8. Re:Not surprised by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Right. I guess if your white and middle class (or better).

      Otherwise the trifecta was your most likely result of interacting with the police.

    9. Re: Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are completely unaware of the systems and services my firm was selling to your national law enforcement institutions and private paramilitary corporations based in Australia.

      Before you say they were doing it for good, think again. The growing mercenary presence in African countries is hands down dominated by Aussie corporations. Those civvies massacred in Sierra Leone? Some of the perpetrators are walking around as free men in Melbourne. Hell, one of them runs a tech group for a contractor in Brisbane that purchased a million plus in IR surveillance gear for use in that awful mess in Ethiopia a few months back. Let me tell you, those civvies were killed by some of your fellow Aussie citizens...several of us saw the videos. Body parts being scattered across the hillside by mortars that were targeted by these gents in a heli a couple miles away. One was a boy or young teen. No arms were visible.

      This goes on all the time. And don't think they even think about only working for the good guys. The Libyan thing? They had contracts to support defense of a couple oil processing facilities...for the rebels...before they were prohibited to do so. Not prohibited by their own government, mind you, but by the flight prohibitions. It merely became too expensive to manage logistics to make their filthy lucre.

      Australia has its share, and perhaps more than its share of career sociopaths sanctioned by their own government. Why do I mix private and public together? Because nearly all the sociopaths I met in the private orgs came from your national law enforcement and mitary ranks. Recently, in fact. And we sold the same stuff to your national orgs, and we always wonder ourselves how it is being used on all you poor schmucks.

    10. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... strong history of generally doing the right thing ...

      I guess you weren't around in the 1980s when the police were a law unto themselves: Particularly in Queensland. Australian police rarely resorted to brutality but they were oppressive in other ways. Nowadays, their main job is issuing fines.

    11. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah they only beat us up, taser us (sometimes to death), and hold peoples heads under fire houses, because they are doing the right thing by the people they serve.

  2. Trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let me fix that for you:

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NSW+police+brutality

    Ta.

    1. Re:Trust? by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      Let me fix that for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=NSW+polic...

      You forgot the F in NSFW. Oh, wait...

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    2. Re:Trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So who are you blaming again, the police or the courts? Because the courts are run by lawyers current and former, not by police.

    3. Re:Trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So who are you blaming again, the police or the courts?

      When sliding down the slippery slope, this difference becomes less and less relevant. Pretty sad, actually.

  3. Using it against dissidents in oppressive regimes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You.

  4. somebody should guard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the guards!

  5. Trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the past NSW had a bad reputation for "verballing" suspects where a copper merely had to allege a statement by a suspect to have that allegation accepted by the courts.

  6. BREAKING by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2

    NSW police arrest SWF for NSFW behavior. Lurid film at 11.

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  7. Learn to write English properly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What it uses FinFisher, which has been deployed against dissidents by oppressive regimes, for "

    Who writes like that? Jesus Christ... Surely any idiot would have written "What is uses FinFisher for, which has..."

    How does your mind work?

    1. Re:Learn to write English properly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a mental segfault while trying to parse that. I had to re-read it a few times, then read it out loud before I could grasp it.

    2. Re: Learn to write English properly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Should be a comma after "uses".

      Sincerely,
      Your English teacher

    3. Re: Learn to write English properly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhh actually I read it wrong! The sentence is grammatically correct, just really awkwardly worded. Sorry guys!

    4. Re:Learn to write English properly... by pspahn · · Score: 2

      This is why I came, because I wanted to read, to the comments. It gives, which is very satisfying, me a sense of validation.

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  8. Obvious by Chrisq · · Score: 0

    There are a lot of Muslims in Australia, and it makes sense to keep an eye on them as a lot of them support terrorism

    1. Re:Obvious by profplump · · Score: 0

      Tell me about it. And don't even get me started on the Anglicans -- they do almost nothing except plot terrorism. Given the number of current and former Anglicans in Australia it's hard to believe you can walk down the street with getting blown up.

      / Or maybe reducing the entire world to the single dimension of religion is not a terribly useful way to understand "terrorism"

    2. Re:Obvious by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Coffee mornings. Plotting coffee mornings. Getting a nice cup of tea and a lovely moist bit of cake, not blown up.

      I hate it when people get these things confused.

    3. Re:Obvious by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Or maybe reducing the entire world to the single dimension of religion is not a terribly useful way to understand "terrorism"

      When the religion commands acts of terror, and many of the followers commit acts of terror then maybe it is. You might as well say "the single dimension of nazziism is not terribly useful in understanding Germany's terrorist acts against the jews in WW2"

    4. Re:Obvious by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Getting a nice cup of tea and a lovely moist bit of cake...

      As long as it's not Yellowcake they're after.

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    5. Re:Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay for Godwin's Law! Let's compare a religion to Nazis! And judge everyone who practices that religion for the actions of extremist believers!
      I wonder what the percentage of Muslims who practice their religion and don't bother people is compared to the percentage of Muslims part of extremist groups?
      Also, are there other religions where there are extremist groups? Hm...Christianity....Westboro Baptist Church sound familiar? Hm, all Christians hate gays etc etc.

    6. Re:Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of Muslims in Australia, and it makes sense to keep an eye on them as a lot of them support terrorism

      That seems like an obvious trolling comment, but sadly I'm not sure.

    7. Re:Obvious by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of Muslims in Australia, and it makes sense to keep an eye on them as a lot of them support terrorism

      That seems like an obvious trolling comment, but sadly I'm not sure.

      You just need to look at the Rise up Australia party for that. (Run by the same person as the "Catch the fire" ministries in Melbourne)

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    8. Re:Obvious by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yay for Godwin's Law! Let's compare a religion to Nazis! And judge everyone who practices that religion for the actions of extremist believers! I wonder what the percentage of Muslims who practice their religion and don't bother people is compared to the percentage of Muslims part of extremist groups? Also, are there other religions where there are extremist groups? Hm...Christianity....Westboro Baptist Church sound familiar? Hm, all Christians hate gays etc etc.

      The Westboro baptists are much better than Islam in many ways. How many people have they beheaded? How many sex slaves have they taken? How many bombs have they set off, or planes flown into buildings? Also where are the hundreds of Christians from Britain, France, Denmark, Australia and other countries leaving their countries to join the Westboro baptists and lay down their life?

    9. Re:Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... a lot of them support terrorism ...

      The political leader of Australia has been reminding us of that every night; it must be true. He's quieted down now that he's declared bombs-and-bullets war on ISIS. We're doing the job of the world police, without pay, because the President getting paid to police the world doesn't want to enlarge the American military-industrial complex.

    10. Re:Obvious by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I guess a better example would be the nearly exclusively Catholic IRA fighting against a protestestant majority. Bombings, torture, murder, rape... yep all present. Sympathetic Catholics in other countries providing them support, aid, even joining them, etc... yep that happened too.

      Didn't get as bad as Iraq/Afghanistan mind you, but that's not on the merits of Islam vs Catholicism, that simply because the UK was never a failed state the way Iraq and Afghanistan have been. The UK even at its "worst", still overall had very well functioning national and regional governments, military, and police forces. Its impoverished were still "first world poor" not "3rd world poor". Had a 3rd party, primarily interested its its own exploitative resource extraction concerns toppled the UK government and bombed out the nations infrastructure, creating widespread issues and a power vacuum; had it been reduced to 3rd world poverty levels -- is it really unreasonable to imagine things getting a whole lot uglier?

      My point is its not "Islam". Its just "people". That we have a problem with Muslim terrorism right now, is simply some people who happen to be muslim have been oppressed and driven to terrorism to fight back. If Afghanistan had been predominantly westboro baptist... we'd have westboro baptist terrorist groups causing problems right now. Its really that simple.

    11. Re:Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe westboro don't do alot of voilence but christians have been killing many many people for centuries now (didn't geroge bush say god wants us to kill all the terrorists).

    12. Re:Obvious by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Yay for Godwin's Law! Let's compare a religion to Nazis! And judge everyone who practices that religion for the actions of extremist believers!
      I wonder what the percentage of Muslims who practice their religion and don't bother people is compared to the percentage of Muslims part of extremist groups?
      Also, are there other religions where there are extremist groups? Hm...Christianity....Westboro Baptist Church sound familiar? Hm, all Christians hate gays etc etc.

      The Westboro baptists are much better than Islam in many ways. How many people have they beheaded? How many sex slaves have they taken? How many bombs have they set off, or planes flown into buildings? Also where are the hundreds of Christians from Britain, France, Denmark, Australia and other countries leaving their countries to join the Westboro baptists and lay down their life?

      And yet...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

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  9. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by flyneye · · Score: 0

    See what happens when you let the government take your guns?
    Now their only real value is as an example of a warning to others.
    Kind of like a ship scuttled on a reef.

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  10. It doesn't appear to affect linux based machines. by MrKaos · · Score: 1
    An obvious thing to check however the spyware itself has been identified.

    I seems like a return to the bad old days of corrupt NSW Police practices.

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  11. nanny state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australia is a nanny state, no surprise

    1. Re:nanny state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me about it. Here in the US -- where we aren't a nanny state, presumably -- there is never any sort of communications surveillance.

    2. Re:nanny state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it. Here in the US -- where we aren't a nanny state, presumably -- there is never any sort of communications surveillance.

      Yeah for the United States to be a nanny state it would have to care about the welfare of its people first. No, it is a hypocritical "moralist" state.

  12. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your government is using it, and software like it, against you every day, and you still have your guns.

  13. Bwahahahah! by CuteSteveJobs · · Score: 4, Informative

    Australian cops are *dirty*

    NSW!
    Good cop, bad cop: how corrupt police work with drug dealers http://theconversation.com/goo...
    Corruption is endemic within Australia's police agencies, and certainly within the Australian Federal Police and New South Wales Police, which between them cover the Sydney airports. It also embraces crime commissions and other institutions charged with responsibility for police governance on behalf of the public. http://www.expendable.tv/2011/...
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/201...
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/201...
    Pressure grows for NSW police inquiry
    Posted 8 Oct 2012, 7:18pmMon 8 Oct 2012, 7:18pm
    Up to 200 police officers may have been spied on with listening devices and telephone intercepts.

    VICTORIA!
    http://www.theaustralian.com.a...
    Victorian police corrupt: ex-judge The Australian
    VICTORIA'S police force is riddled with "deep-seated and continuing corruption" that will only be flushed out by a powerful and wide-ranging royal commission. Don Stewart, one of the nation's most respected judicial figures, says Victoria Police and the Bracks Labor Government oppose a royal commission because they do not want the extent of corruption within the force made public. "They know that it would reveal what they don't want revealed," says the former Supreme Court judge and founding head of Australia's first national crime agency. Dismissing arguments that dirty police are already being driven out of the force through the courts, he says the recent convictions of senior Victorian officers on corruption charges are "the tip of the iceberg". "The arrest of some corrupt police only proves that corruption is deep-seated and continuing," Mr Stewart says in a book to be published in March.

    CANBERRA!
    http://www.canberratimes.com.a...
    A long history of police corruption. In 1990 the AFP officer Michael Anthony Wallace was convicted of stealing $20 million worth of drugs and cash exhibits. In 1995 Standen's colleague, Alan Taciak, rolled over in the NSW Police royal commission and alleged 78 AFP officers - 15 per cent of the force - were corrupt. Taciak's allegations sparked the Harrison inquiry in 1996. Its final report, which is understood to have alleged widespread corruption in the AFP, has also not been released. The head of the inquiry, Ian Harrison, now a Supreme Court judge, said many agents escaped investigation by quitting the AFP. In 2001 Standen's former boss at the Sydney drugs unit, Cliff Foster, committed suicide while under investigation over corruption.

    SOUTH AUSTRALIA!
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/...

    DARWIN!
    http://www.abc.net.au/local/st...
    NT police oppose anti-corruption tests. The Northern Territory Police Association says it will oppose Federal Government plans to secretly test officers' integrity as part of new anti-corruption measures.

    QUEENSLAND!
    Queensland police misconduct files reveal corruption, favouritism, sexual misconduct

    1. Re:Bwahahahah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we want to know, how many unarmed surrendering black people do they shoot?

    2. Re:Bwahahahah! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Every one of the links you have posted comes from a mainstream Aussie media outlet, when those stories stop appearing you have a real corruption problem. The NSW ICAC judicial inquiry has forced the resignation of at least a dozen MP's who took illegal donations from property developers and is still going strong. Now think about real oppression (say) Mugabe or Saddam, they tow the line or risk summary execution.

      Internet snooping by cops is a double edged sword, sure it can be used as a tool of oppression (if the political climate is ripe) but it has also been used to solve some high profile murder/rape cases. In the Jill Megan (sic?) case the cops didn't spy on anyone, they simply explained the situation to the banks (on the weekend) and the banks voluntarily gave them what they needed to track the bastard down.

      Disclaimer: I have a female cousin who has served in the Victorian police for over 3 decades. I'm not claiming all Aussie cops are saints, but certainly the vast majority have their heart in the right place and are doing a tough job as best they can.

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    3. Re:Bwahahahah! by Alicat1194 · · Score: 2

      Once again, everyone forgets WA (then again, we are perfect...)

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    4. Re:Bwahahahah! by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      You left out western australia. I mean it's only a third of the damn continent :)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    5. Re:Bwahahahah! by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 1

      Western Australia.

    6. Re:Bwahahahah! by ewieling · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: I have a female cousin who has served in the Victorian police for over 3 decades. I'm not claiming all Aussie cops are saints, but certainly the vast majority have their heart in the right place and are doing a tough job as best they can.

      How do you tell the corrupt ones from the non-corrupt ones? You can't. I follow the example of law enforcement and assume they are guilty until proven innocent.

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    7. Re:Bwahahahah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a friend in the Victorian police serving 3 decades ago too and he said they were very very corrupt and it was everywhere. Good cops turn a blind eye or they make themselves targets. A lot of it isn't reported in the media and tat book on victorian police corruption can't even be sold in victoria because of a court order banning it. what does that tell you?

    8. Re: Bwahahahah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps google 'aboriginal balack deaths in custody', while shooting are rare some indigenous folks have been beaten to death.

    9. Re:Bwahahahah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but theres only 6 sentient people living there

  14. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup, gun control is the death of privacy! Oh...right, the NSA. Also, very loose restrictions on a class of objects that are designed to kill and hurt sounds reasonable to me, what about you? Not to mention that controlling the ownership of guns reduces violent crime etc.

  15. operational capability by macraig · · Score: 1

    NSW Police spokesperson John Thompson said it would not be appropriate to comment "given this technology relates to operational capability".

    Indeed. The newfound ability to do very bad things always relates to operational capability.

  16. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Guns have nothing to do with this.
    Even if the 'gubment' lets you keep your guns, what chance to you think you stand against MRAPs, ricket launchers, gun ships and pretty much everything else the military (or even your local friendly SWAT team) can throw at you? Good luck defending yourself against the government with the feable material you have!
    Does it begin to dawn upon you now that you being allowed to keep a hand gun or riffle means NOTHING?

  17. not to worry fellow humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we hackers have those tools now too....teehee

  18. We've got Not Safe for Work police? With spyware? by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

    Here?? At work?!?! Quick! TOR the pr0n! TrueCrypt the mp3s!

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  19. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See what happens when you let the government take your guns?

    You still have you guns. The government still screws you over. Much good that did.

  20. Romanes eunt domus by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    In all fairness, the Romes did get those guys to relinquish power, it just usually it was sort of a bumpy transition. :-p

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  21. Here are the files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Want to download and examine FinFisher yourself? https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles...

  22. Is Australia different? by MarkvW · · Score: 1

    In Australia aren't the people allowed to know what their police force's "operational capability" is?

    1. Re:Is Australia different? by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      In Australia aren't the people allowed to know what their police force's "operational capability" is?

      Nobody expects the "operational capabilities" of the Australian Inquisition!

      Strat

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  23. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let em launch all the rickets they want at me, I have plenty of vitamin D

    I'll also point out that if they're dealing with a single armed house...no big deal. If they're dealing with thousands upon thousands of them, things change.

  24. It doesn't appear to affect linux based machines. by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    It depends on how the product was crafted per person.
    On some consumer OS versions all you have to do is get under the consumer grade antivirus by not having to use in the wild malware thats been found.
    That product has to avoid consumer grade antivirus behavior analysis, cosumer software firewalls over days and get the data out.
    The 'out' part can be just as fun. A waiting consumer computer that looks like any other home computer in an empty home at the end of a city street with rental phone company records to match.
    As for Linux http://www.theguardian.com/tec... (16 September 2014)
    http://www.theguardian.com/tec...
    has the line " can infect Apple OS X, Windows and Linux computers as well as Android, iOS, BlackBerry, Symbian and Windows Phone devices."
    The issue is consumer grade antivirus has to have something to find and report back on. If the software is crafted per person and then removed in a short time that consumer grade antivirus option will never be a factor.
    The other option is just to go for the keyboard or other cell phone input layer on the active cell device. A user can then encrypt, hide ip all they want at a software or higher hardware level but every keystroke is collected.
    With a correct password any later software alterations would be part of the next expected, correct Linux checksums. The keyboard logger would not even have to use any internet network, it could just go very short range wireless avoiding all software/hardware packet sniffers efforts.

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  25. Is Australia different? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Think of it in Cold War terms.
    Communist using the under the cover of workers rights, trying law reform, Vietnam war protests or other national or State issues.
    That would need a close working relationship between national and state gov staff, local police. To find the foreign aspect and have real locals watching every public meeting or protest and befriend the group or person.
    The operational capability of hardware and software once in the hands of the mil or national gov due to buying and running costs is now at a much lower level.
    Consumer culture also allows for people to be much for relaxed around computers and other cellular devices. The cell phone is on, mic is active and stays on as two people meet face to face.
    No more plain old telephone service recording, tracking beacon in the car and hope to have enough local staff to be in position for that face to face meeting if the car is not used.
    The only change is the total cost of tracking below the federal level and quality of audio or images.

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  26. Re:It doesn't appear to affect linux based machine by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    Thanks!

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  27. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by flyneye · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but they're not going to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, because of the guns.
    Aus on the other hand is going to be monitored for online infractions, just anything that pisses their gov. off, and pay penalties.

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  28. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by flyneye · · Score: 1

    But the NSA isn't going to drag me to court for every free expression that I loose or any file I download. If you hadn't noticed , the less guns are controlled , the less violent crime we have. Dumbass.

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  29. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by flyneye · · Score: 1

    Yes, they do.
    The government isn't going to turn the military against civilians or they WILL have every shotgun, handgun, lynchmob aimed directly at their personal lives.
    It WILL be revolt then. SWAT will be hopelessly outnumbered along with the rest of the cops. Did it ever dawn on you that you live in a fantasy world?

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  30. Re:Using it against dissidents in oppressive regim by flyneye · · Score: 1

    Our government screws us within the limits we allow. Australian slaves have no say, with no guns.
    I notice all my replys are from cowards. I think that makes my point.

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