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New Global Plan Would Crack Down On Corporate Tax Avoidance

HughPickens.com writes: Reuters reports that plans for a major rewriting of international tax rules have been unveiled by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) that could eliminate structures that have allowed companies like Google and Amazon to shave billions of dollars off their tax bills. For more than 50 years, the OECD's work on international taxation has been focused on ensuring companies are not taxed twice on the same profits (and thereby hampering trade and limit global growth). But companies have been using such treaties to ensure profits are not taxed anywhere. A Reuters investigation last year found that three quarters of the 50 biggest U.S. technology companies channeled revenues from European sales into low tax jurisdictions like Ireland and Switzerland, rather than reporting them nationally.

For example, search giant Google takes advantage of tax treaties to channel more than $8 billion in untaxed profits out of Europe and Asia each year and into a subsidiary that is tax resident in Bermuda, which has no income tax. "We are putting an end to double non-taxation," says OECD head of tax Pascal Saint-Amans.For the recommendations to actually become binding, countries will have to encode them in their domestic laws or amend their bilateral tax treaties. Even if they do pass, these changes are likely 5-10 years away from going into effect.
Speaking of international corporate business: U.K. mainframe company Micro Focus announced it will buy Attachmate, which includes Novell and SUSE.

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  1. Most taxes are legalized theft by sabri · · Score: 2, Insightful

    General forms of taxes are legalized theft anyway. When the government just takes money away for their "general bucket", it is nothing more than stealing.

    Instead, tax-per-use: road tax, school tax, environmental tax, so the tax-payer knows what happens to their money.

    If governments would be more transparent, less people would have problems paying taxes.

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    1. Re:Most taxes are legalized theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, the stupidity and naivete of what you say is staggering.

      You people who believe you'd run a functioning society without taxes and the things it pays for are completely deluded.

      You would not end up in some libertarian fantasy of a self regulating society. You'd end up in a shit hole of a society in which things like roads and schools don't work and don't get funded.

      Blah blah blah. Everything you say is pure fantasy, and doesn't mean anything other than your overly romanticized notions of a world which never was, and which never could be.

      I swear, Libertarians (and the idiots who read Ayn Rand) are some of the most deluded people around, second only to religious people who reject science because the facts contradict their stupid book.

      If you think a modern society is possible without taxes and some things being paid for by society, you really are a drooling idiot.

    2. Re:Most taxes are legalized theft by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The military is the biggest part of the US budget? Gee.... our government disagrees with that, according to the budget they publish.

      http://www.usgovernmentspendin...

      Total defense spending, 22%. Pensions, 25%. Healthcare 27%.

      And this does NOT include Social Security or Medicare (separate funds, they keep telling us).

    3. Re:Most taxes are legalized theft by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why are you being modded down? The wars are almost entirely off budget. Maybe they'll make up for it with asset forfeitures..

      They can't handle the truth. They believe in fictions written by some old lady who collected social security and received other government subsidies she railed against.

      That's my guess.

      But, yes, the US has an unfortunate tendancy, since the War of Independence, and the Civil War, continued to the present, of always fighting wars off budget. Which is where the budget deficits come from. Social Security pays for itself and has always had a surplus, and still does.

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    4. Re:Most taxes are legalized theft by JeffOwl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please. It doesn't matter what is or isn't mandated by the Constitution. Congress will selectively interpret "general welfare" and "interstate commerce" in any way they see fit.

    5. Re:Most taxes are legalized theft by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The gp didn't say not to tax anything - it IS a good idea that taxpayers realize the taxes they pay. Payroll taxes hide a tremendous amount of taxation that most people have no idea they're paying.

    6. Re:Most taxes are legalized theft by magarity · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But tax inversion needs to stop before it creates too much problems. (Also, let's close tax loopholes for individuals.)

      Furthermore, the "tax inversion" only happens because the USA is one of three countries in the world that tries to collect tax worldwide. Let's say a UK headquartered company, for example, has an office in the USA and makes some sales. The UK's IRS does not try to tax that revenue made in the USA, only the revenue in the UK. The USA's IRS, on the other hand, insists on collecting tax on revenue made by a USA headquartered company whose office in the UK made some sales. You see how this puts the USA based firm at a large disadvantage? They have to pay USA level tax everywhere in the world, where the local competing companies are paying only the local level tax.

      What needs to happen is to stop tax inversion by stopping this horrible practice by the IRS. USA taxes should only apply in the USA. And USA corporate tax rates, among the highest in the world, need to come way down.

  2. Whats with the aside? by realilskater · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why tack on the Micro Focus news? That is news all on its own and only remotely related to this topic.

  3. Not the only strategy by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are other ways to generate more tax revenue from business operations in the US: quit making elsewhere so much more attractive. The US has the second highest effective business tax burden in the world (second only to the United Arab Emerates, which mostly taxes foreign oil operations). Gee, I wonder why businesses born in the US look to mitigate that in whatever ways the law allows. If the law no longer allows it, there will simply be more companies actually moving, entirely, to places with a lower burden. Then the government will still miss the revenue, and they'll miss all the tax revenue they're already getting on the income taxes levied on and other economic activity generated by all of the company's current domestic employees, partners, vendors, service providers, etc.

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    1. Re:Not the only strategy by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a race to the bottom, my friend. You don't out-compete countries with less than a few million inhabitants and no significant social programs.

      You mean, like Canada? It has a 26% rate, compared the US's 40% rate. Yeah, third-world hell holes like Canada always whore around with those low numbers, right?

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  4. Rather than address the underlying problem by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the tax thieves aak "regulators" make new rules. Why not put some thought into changing the tax codes to be on a par wtih Ireland, Switzerland, etc instead of trying to preserve the high tax state?

    1. Re:Rather than address the underlying problem by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Switzerland survives because its main export is untraceable (sort-of) banking. Ireland is still close to being financially untenable. Not exactly worthy models to emulate. No one is served by a race to the bottom.

  5. Perspective by mfwitten · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A company has to convince people to hand over their resources.

    A government just decrees its income under threat of violence.

    1. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      GP, just like the corporations, would exist and be generating just as much revenue even if there were no government. They were all born fully-formed and educated, capable of traveling long distance without the use of roads, generating their own power and clean water*, and enforcing agreements and fairness all on their own without the help of those scum called government who want to leech off the money generated by their hard work.

      *You should have seen GP running his desalinization plant, made all by himself, at 6 months old. So cute and completely independent of any government infrastructure.

  6. you are badly informed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The US has the second highest effective business tax burden in the world"
    Wrong. The U.S. has the second highest nominal business tax rate in the world, around 35%, but thanks to loopholes and other tax breaks no business pays that rate, instead it is less than 15%.

    "I wonder why businesses born in the US look to mitigate that in whatever ways the law allows"
    Wonder no more, businesses _everywhere_ reduce costs of all kinds in whatever legal ways possible including offshoring revenue and relocating headquarters. This is far from unique to the U.S. except that our laws accomodate offshoring/relocating more than a lot of other countries.

    "there will simply be more companies actually moving, entirely, to places with a lower burden"
    Bullshit. Companies will not simply drop out of the biggest market in the world just because they don't want to pay any tax at all.
    They will still get rich, just not as rich as they might have otherwise.

  7. Re:double non-taxation by alexander_686 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are way off on this.

    First,

    It takes advantage of weakness in Irish law that allows companies to not pay taxes on subsidiaries that are outside Ireland.

    IIRC, the US, Ethopia, and Eritrea are the only countries that charge taxes on foreign subsidiaries, so it is not a weakness exculsive to Ireland. And if you think about it, it is rational not to tax the foreign subsidiary. If a profit is earned in country X, country X shoudl get the tax. If not you get the complex and ineffectual of the US.

    Second, what you are talking about about abusive transfer payments, not about the "Double Irish", which this treaty is trying to fix. Ireland is not some great "loop hole", just low taxes. And by "Double Irish" I think you really mean the "Double Dutch", which requires a Irish and Dutch subsidary - they recognize income differently. This is, since they have different standards on when to declare income from whom they can structure income so it is never recognized by the tax authority. That is a true loop hole.

  8. Why does business exist? by PseudoCoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fundamental question with what should be a simple answer. We pursue enterprise to benefit ourselves and profit. Not to serve as revenue generator to the state. The state is supposed to serve the people; not the other way around, but we keep coming around and forgetting the lessons of history and the basic nature of man.

    If the state were not exceeding its mandate to serve the people, taxes would be acceptable and nobody would put that much effort into avoiding them because their result would continue to appeal to our interests. But there's never enough money for the state to be all the things it is promising to be, so the states are inventing structures for self-preservation of systems fundamentally doomed to fail.

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    1. Re:Why does business exist? by PseudoCoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. I like all those things. I don't like having to feed children I didn't have the pleasure of making (in addition to my own), and then told I'm not compassionate because I should feel sorry for them and their irresponsible parents. I don't like paying for contraceptives for people who want to have sex. If it's not for procreation, it's for recreation, and I don't go to work every day so you can exercise your crotch. I also don't like buying $800 hammers for contractors, or $800M tanks for dictators.

      Again, if government stuck to those basic things you mentioned then we would have a better government. But you want to throw in the kitchen sink disguised as necessities because somehow that's more "progressive", when instead it's regressing back to the point where we serve the state that is supposed to be serving us.

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    2. Re:Why does business exist? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately for you, your well-being is not dependent on just your own efforts and choices. It's also the result of the collective efforts of the society of people around you. Otherwise you could live better in Somalia than you do here.

      But you can't. So you are stuck with the distasteful (to you anyway) idea that your welfare depends on having a healthy society to live in. To get that you are going to have to contribute.

      Sorry.

  9. Will not EVER happen. by DrPeper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The companies involved also PAY for the campaigns and prostitutes for the "elected" officials. So this supposed "crack down" will never happen. In point of fact these tax dodges were created by and endorsed by said "elected" officials.

  10. Re:Easy solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Corporations are just tax collectors for the welfare state. Corporations don't pay taxes, people do either through lower wages, higher prices, lower dividends or lower returns.

    Don't get fooled by the slight of hand here when the authoritarians just want more money to fund their own power and lifestyles.