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Wave Power Fails To Live Up To Promise

the_newsbeagle writes: One of the leading companies developing wave power devices, Ocean Power Technologies, has dramatically scaled down its ambitions. The company had planned to install the world's first commercial-scale wave farms off the coast of Australia and Oregon, but has now announced that it's ending those projects. Instead it will focus on developing next-gen devices. Apparently the economics of wave power just don't make sense yet.

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  1. Nelson says: by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ha! Ha!

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  2. Golden opportunity missed... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 5, Funny

    "A spokesperson for Ocean Power Technologies announced, that after a number of years of testing and development efforts, that Wave farms are a wash."

    *ducks* *runs*

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    1. Re:Golden opportunity missed... by slinches · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, darn. We must be on different wavelengths. Last I heard, they were doing swell.

      I guess these sorts of things just ebb and flow with the economic tides.

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    2. Re:Golden opportunity missed... by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't get it.

      Could you explain that some more? Explaining jokes always make them funnier.

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    3. Re:Golden opportunity missed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Could you explain that some more? Explaining jokes always make them funnier.

      A note for the humor impaired: The above is using what is termed irony and sarcasm, and the poster is actually giving criticism.

      Next week, we will cover metaphors. And by metaphors, I mean big tits.

    4. Re:Golden opportunity missed... by Inzkeeper · · Score: 5, Funny

      It looks like we will need to find a more feasible way to generate electricity from water, dam it.

    5. Re:Golden opportunity missed... by Pope · · Score: 3, Funny

      As always, the truth is in the middle.

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    6. Re:Golden opportunity missed... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was thinking of huge tracts of land.

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    7. Re:Golden opportunity missed... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This project was very successful, considering that the central purpose of all alternative-energy projects is to extract government subsidies. Any other outcome is coincidental.

    8. Re:Golden opportunity missed... by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, they were proposing and building these giant 140ft by 40ft monstrosities that would have been disruptive to fishing and wildlife, and totally incompatible with the expectations of the community. Oregonians support wave power, but it needs to be slender buoys that are more like artificial kelp; something that creates artificial habitat, not something large and industrial that pushes nature out of the way.

      There are actually a bunch of other pilot projects, some of which are more likely to move forwards.

      Also keep in mind, they only had approval for the pilot project to test the feasibility. Nobody promised any permits for the large scale project. The pilot would have had to prove not only that it generated power, but also that it didn't interfere with wildlife or fishing. And it wasn't designed to meet the actual standards it would have needed to meet. Probably they thought they could bribe their way through, found out that doesn't work here, and are winding it down and blaming efficiency delays.

      And, it turns out they don't have funding anyways, so they can't really move the project.

      They admit in their press release that other companies have more mature products not only on the market, but proven.

  3. Lots of problems with it by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But I can easily see a small scale usage for it.

    Primary examples would be installed on sea installations, like say oil drilling platforms. Why ship in fuel to an oil drilling platform, when you can simply install a wavepower generator to provide the power. Then, once you find oil, you don't have to get rid of the wave power generator. Keep it and use wave power to get the oil, rather than burning oil just to get more oil.

    Also, I could easily see a small scale wave power generator designed for boats, particularly house boats.

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  4. When doing anything involving the ocean by geekoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Take you expected costs, double it, then throw the piece of paper way because it's still useless.

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    1. Re:When doing anything involving the ocean by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

      People who have never worked in a marine environment just don't understand this. Seawater is nasty, nasty stuff to anything. Plastic, metal, wood - it doesn't matter. Add a mechanical part and it just becomes a nightmare. The navy, for instance, is continuously painting their ships. As in, they never stop painting them. If you have an offshore wind farm, offshore wave farm, or whatever - you will spend far more on maintenance than you ever do on capital costs. And you have to restrict the technology to proven, overbuilt, and simple. Even titanium will fail in salt water (hydrogen embrittlement)... not a nice place to engineer for.

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    2. Re:When doing anything involving the ocean by itzly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are no "islands". Just a higher density of tiny bits of plastic.

    3. Re:When doing anything involving the ocean by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When I was a child, we had a nice wood boat. A ChrisCraft. The finish was getting pretty weather-worn so my father took it to a guy who refinished boats to get it done. He specified brass screws, just like the original. The refinisher said, "Everybody uses stainless steel these days. They're just as good." My father reluctantly let him use the stainless steel screws.

      The boat was moored by strong chains to a dock in the ocean. (You had to leave lots of play in the chains so the boat could ride up and down with the tide.) A few weeks later, by family got a call from the SeaBees. They had found the boat, dangling underwater by the chains holding it to the dock pilings.

      The seawater had eaten the stainless steel screws right up. It only took a few weeks.

    4. Re:When doing anything involving the ocean by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The original screws were probably bronze, not brass. Bronze has no appreciable zinc while brass contains a lot of zinc. Immersed in sea water, brass will dezincify and corrode.

      Most marine raw water systems use bronze fittings for this reason.

      Stainless isn't suitable for below the waterline applications because the chromium can't form a protective oxidization layer due to the lack of oxygen exposure.

      Your boat would have sunk with brass or stainless screws.

    5. Re:When doing anything involving the ocean by dcollins117 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They had found the boat, dangling underwater by the chains holding it to the dock pilings.

      Find out what the chains are made of - you'll be all set :)

    6. Re:When doing anything involving the ocean by itzly · · Score: 3, Informative

      The great pacific garbage patch has a density of 4 small pieces of plastic per cubic meter. You wouldn't even notice it if you were sailing through it.

  5. Oregon... by Nerrd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Part of the problem might be that they can't sell the power. The wind farms we currently have are already producing more power than the bonneville power administration is willing to purchase - even though they are under contract to do so.

    1. Re:Oregon... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just use the extra electricity to power giant air conditioners to counteract global warming.

      See, that was easy. Just start thinking in terms of larger systems.

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  6. Re:Wave power can work by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because artificial manipulations of free markets always works out as intended!

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  7. Mechanical stresses ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Informative

    I seem to recall a news story from a few years ago where they'd tried to put wave power in the Bay of Fundy, where the highest tides in the world are.

    OpenHydro -- the Irish company which installed the world's first 1-megawatt tidal turbine in the Bay of Fundy -- and its partner Nova Scotia Power deployed the 10-tonne turbine on the floor of the Minas Passage in November 2009.

    Then just 20 days later, all 12 turbine rotor blades were destroyed by tidal flows that were two and a half times stronger than for what the turbine was designed.

    Basically, the tides destroyed the machinery in three weeks or so.

    So, yes, there's plenty of mechanical energy to harvest. The problem is that it might also be stronger than the stuff you've built.

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    1. Re:Mechanical stresses ... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      dry wave power=wind

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  8. Re:Too bad by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ocean warming is a bigger opportunity. Jabbing a thermal collector into a volcanic vent, rolling it through a sterling engine as a cooling system, with the cold side submerged in the cold ocean.

    A lot of new, green tech is ludicrous. People want solar farms in the desert because of all the arid heat and lack of clouds, but discount the fragile ecosystem. Wind farms take up much more space than nuclear plants for the same power output. Hydrogen is difficult to store without supercooling, and is only a storage scheme and not a generation scheme, and only operates at 50%-80% efficiency. Hydroelectric is an environmental disaster.

    Direct heat applications from solar-thermal water heating are about the only thing that make sense. Their efficiency is high, and their cost is low. A small, 1.2 square meter collector provides 3000BTU/hr, about 85% of a kW; I can fit over 20 of these on my roof at a sun-receiving angle and spacing, giving over 65,000 BTU/hr average throughout the day. My roof can produce 19kW of heat output, while I only need 3kW to stay warm or cool--the AC breaker is 30A, providing about 3kW of cooling.

    A hydronic coil off the water heater, an absorption cooler, or so on can harvest the heat collected by less than $2000 of tubes and a total of $3000 of equipment to provide for about $2500 annual air space and water heating and cooling in my house. Excess generated heat could theoretically drive a sterling engine to produce a small amount of electricity, but the investment for more tubes to generate a useful amount of electricity would be unjustifiable; I can buy 100% solar electricity for 12 cents per kWh.

    Thus, in just over a year, I can recover my investment in solar water heating by incorporating space heating and cooling, assuming I was in the market for a new furnace and air conditioner anyway--the furnace would be an air handler with electric back-up, vastly cheaper than a new gas furnace, offsetting the expensive absorption chiller. A $900 pellet stove would serve as a back-up. Overall, the setup would save an immense amount of electricity and natural gas.

  9. Re:some renewable techs didn't pan out by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Informative

    South Australia is 30% renewable despite a current federal government that is openly hostile to clean energy. The reasoning behind that ideological hostility is not difficult to spot - coal is our #1 export. India has recently declared that large scale PV solar is cheaper than Australian imported brown coal and is switching 400M people to solar over the next decade or so. Prices for coal are way down and mines are currently being mothballed, even those mining the high quality coking coal used to make chinese steel have seen recent mine closures.

    The anti-science luddites in charge of this country can see the writing on the wall for the global coal industry, the words "stranded assets" are scaring them shitless. They lack the wisdom and intellectual independence required to plan a smooth transition so they do what politicians do best, fight it tooth an nail with tabloid propaganda and rigged domestic markets.

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