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Snowden's Leaks Didn't Help Terrorists

HughPickens.com writes The Intercept reports that contrary to lurid claims made by U.S. officials, a new independent analysis of Edward Snowden's revelations on NSA surveillance that examined the frequency of releases and updates of encryption software by jihadi groups has found no correlation in either measure to Snowden's leaks about the NSA's surveillance techniques. According to the report "well prior to Edward Snowden, online jihadists were already aware that law enforcement and intelligence agencies were attempting to monitor them (PDF)." In fact, concerns about terrorists' use of sophisticated encryption technology predates even 9/11.

Earlier this month former NSA head Michael Hayden stated, "The changed communications practices and patterns of terrorist groups following the Snowden revelations have impacted our ability to track and monitor these groups", while Matthew Olsen of the National Counterterrorism Center would add "Following the disclosure of the stolen NSA documents, terrorists are changing how they communicate to avoid surveillance." Snowden's critics have previously accused his actions of contributing from everything from the rise of ISIS to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. "This most recent study is the most comprehensive repudiation of these charges to date," says Murtaza Hussain. "Contrary to lurid claims to the contrary, the facts demonstrate that terrorist organizations have not benefited from the NSA revelations, nor have they substantially altered their behavior in response to them."

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  1. Biggest joke a hundred years later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Someone risked everything to reveal to the public what an asshole your government is, yet you wouldn't believe him and you call him traitor, and you make up thousands of reason explaining why your government has to be an asshole, despite that you really don't really believe it is.

    American people are insane. Perhaps they deserve it.

    1. Re:Biggest joke a hundred years later by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Regardless of what else you think he is, he is clearly also a Patriot.

      FTFY

  2. Re:Duh Snowden was a stalking horse. by Githaron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Irrelevant to what? His stated purpose was to make the public aware of what the NSA was doing so that there can be a public discussion rather than a backroom one. For that purpose, his leaks are highly relevant,

  3. It it never had much effect on terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow what a surprise, who would have thought that terrorists where carefull with their communications?

    So its clear then that the NSA was doing this for economical reasons, getting better trade agreements, giving US companies a competitive advantage and such.

    Countries should investigate their trade agreements and find how much they lost due to NSA spying and demand trade agreements where the difference is calculated in favor of those other countries. So yes then Snowden did harm US interest, but unless you thing the US are gods and everyone else puny slaves, that's a good thing.

  4. At some point us intelligence changed by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I have a problem with US intelligence organizations(and I do), it's that their mission transformed from being pragmatic and getting useful, accurate assessments to military and law enforcement branches in the US to being paranoid about the theoretical possible threats that might exist to US interests in some way shape or form.

    That paranoia fuels some of the worst excesses, like universal monitoring, or toppling democracies that might potentially ally with other nations.

    1. Re:At some point us intelligence changed by kilfarsnar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If I have a problem with US intelligence organizations(and I do), it's that their mission transformed from being pragmatic and getting useful, accurate assessments to military and law enforcement branches in the US to being paranoid about the theoretical possible threats that might exist to US interests in some way shape or form.

      That paranoia fuels some of the worst excesses, like universal monitoring, or toppling democracies that might potentially ally with other nations.

      While I agree, I'm not sure how much of a transformation happened. If you look at the origins of the CIA, they were about making the world safe for American business pretty much from the beginning. That's not all they did, or do of course. But Allen and John Foster were Wall Street lawyers after all.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  5. Liars are liars. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Based on past behaviour, I won't believe anything NSA and their buddies say. Anything.

  6. The sad part is... by Dega704 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No matter how conclusively this is proven, these idiot officials will continue to use Snowden as their scapegoat.

    1. Re:The sad part is... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The report is a lie.

      Terrorist groups have absolutely changed their behaviors and communications patterns to increase obfuscation and move attention away from their important operations. The United States National Security Agency, the US Military, and other terrorist operations have added increased layers of misdirection to better cover and draw attention away from their most critical activities.

    2. Re:The sad part is... by Phreakiture · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think they're idiots. I think that they think we are idiots.

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      www.wavefront-av.com
    3. Re:The sad part is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why should we do that?

      The video(s) and cables that were leaked contained information that should have been public knowledge.
      The video of the US military accidentally killing a reporter, after it denied the event to the news agency that the reporter worked for.
      The war logs with exact real numbers of civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan.
      Who we are holding in GITMO, and why they were detained illegally.
      Selected State Department cables -- which played a role in bringing about the arab spring... To bad none of the revolutions seemed to have brought about lasting change.

      Which of these do you think we didn't have a right to know?

    4. Re:The sad part is... by NotSanguine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "... right to know?"

      You made that right up. There is no such thing as a right to know.

      There is such a thing though, as the right to be free of illegal search and seizure. That's difference between Snowden and Manning. A big one.

      Actually, as Americans we have many rights not enumerated in the constitution. That was one of the arguments against implementing the "Bill of Rights" at the dawn of our Republic. Many were concerned that if we enumerated specific rights, it would be assumed that those were all there were.

      That is not the case. The US constitution limits the power of the Federal government. It does *not* restrict the rights of the citizens. In fact, the Ninth Amendment clearly spells that out:
      The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people

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      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
  7. Then please stop snooping on us by javilon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Following the disclosure of the stolen NSA documents, terrorists are changing how they communicate to avoid surveillance."

    Then please stop the surveillance. It doesn't work with the terrorists since they have changed how they communicate and you only get communications from innocent citizens.

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    When his defense asked, "Which computer has Jon Johansen trespassed upon?" the answer was: "His own."
    1. Re:Then please stop snooping on us by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Following the disclosure of the stolen NSA documents, terrorists are changing how they communicate to avoid surveillance."

      Then please stop the surveillance. It doesn't work with the terrorists since they have changed how they communicate and you only get communications from innocent citizens.

      You still don't get it. The terrorists who are changing how they communicate to avoid surveillance are us. There is no such thing as "innocent citizens".

  8. The real study by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a link to the real study, instead of some poorly written article (and hey! the summary is poorly written too!)

    Essentially their methodology was to look at two open source encryption tools (pics in the study). Releases of the encryption tools didn't become more frequent after the Snowden document release.

    This is obviously a narrow view, it doesn't mean Snowden had little effect, just that in one small area, Snowden had little effect. Terrorists could have stopped using Skype after the document release, and this study wouldn't have detected it. Furthermore, if Snowden did cause Russia to invade Ukraine, then this study wouldn't have detected it: it's not related to, and doesn't even pretend to look at Russia. That's where the poor summary comes in.

    Now, I don't think Snowden had anything to do with Ukraine, but let's at least keep our minds straight.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  9. Complete mischaracterizaion of original report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actual report.

    Key Findings

    While we note several caveats to our results in the conclusion section of this report, our primary findings are as follows:

            The underlying public encryption methods employed by online jihadists do not appear to have significantly changed since the emergence of Edward Snowden. Major recent technological advancements have focused primarily on expanding the use of encryption to instant messenger and mobile communications mediums.

            Aside from warning of tampered copies of “Asrar al-Mujahideen” that were deliberately infected with spyware, none of the prominent jihadi logistical units have expressed any public doubt as to the continued effectiveness of encryption methods employed in their software packages that were released prior to the Snowden leaks.

            The actual release of new jihadi-themed encryption software packages, like “Asrar al-Dardashah,” seems to have had a far more noticeable impact in terms of driving waves of interest in the subject of encryption among users of jihadi web forums than the publication of the Snowden NSA revelations in June 2013.

            Well prior to Edward Snowden, online jihadists were already aware that law enforcement and intelligence agencies were attempting to monitor them. As a result, the Snowden revelations likely merely confirmed the suspicions of many of these actors, the more advanced of which were already making use of – and developing –secure communications software.

    That's a far cry from saying "Snowden's Leaks Didn't Help Terrorists".

    Note that I'm not saying "Snowden's leaks DID help terrorists" - I'm specifically saying the report does NOT support the over-the-top headline on the article and on Slashdot.

  10. Scapegoat much? by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Snowden's critics have previously accused his actions of contributing from everything from the rise of ISIS to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine.

    While we're at it, let's blame him for Mondays, New Coke and the Star Wars prequels and call it a day.

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    We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
  11. My fellow Americans by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 5, Funny


    I write to you today to appeal to your sense of reason.

    Our country is under attack from all fronts. Russia wants to disrupt our authority, fanatical terror groups want to blow up our buildings, atheists want to corrupt our souls.

    Make no mistake, we are at war. Having no other alternative to protect our great nation we have taken to attacking the enemy in preventative measures. We have struck at their core; their finances and funding, their territories, their freedoms, their countries, their friends, their families and their family's families.

    You may look at Edward Snowden and consider him to be a harmless; sexually confused transgendered computer professional. This of course would be what Snowden would like you to see.
    In truth he is a vicious, calculating pathological liar that will stop at nothing to destroy America (USA) as we know it.

    Not only did he endanger good men in the field he endangered law-abiding US citizens everywhere.

    To say that Edward Snowden does not have Weapons of Mass Destruction is to entertain a cataclysm that may indeed claim your lives and your children's chastity.

    Now, let's forget about this person and his fake and silly documents. We want to get back into the real business at hand, protecting the United States of America, land of the free, home of the brave (although we have the braves on reservation now).

    Thank you and god bless.

    --
    A 'singular oddity' is an event that cannot be explained and only happens when you are alone.
    1. Re:My fellow Americans by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 4, Funny


      REALLY? - I say WMDs and you are bothered by "transgender"?

      Don't talk back at me son, I'll smack you upside the head.

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      A 'singular oddity' is an event that cannot be explained and only happens when you are alone.
  12. new fox news commercial by Cardoor · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) "Coming up tonight on the news @ 10... Just HOW MUCH did Edward Snowden's betrayal HELP the TERRORISTS?? A new study sheds some light!!"

    2) repeat this ad every 15 minutes all day long

    3) Run the segment for 10 seconds at the end of the broadcast, say.. 'apparently not much if at all.' assume most people miss it.

    4) profit!

  13. knew in 2006 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He does not get credit for "starting a national conversation"

    According to who, you? Im my view, he most certainly does get credit for that because it's pretty obvious that the amount of dialog has increased substantially since his revelations.