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Is Alibaba Comparable To a US Company?
lpress writes Alibaba is this week's hot news — they have had a lengthy PR campaign (preceded by a documentary film) followed by a record-setting stock offering. After a day of trading Alibaba's market capitalization was comparable to that of established tech giants. But, there are cultural and structural differences between Alibaba and U.S. companies. Alibaba is tightly woven into a complex fabric of personal, corporate and government organization relationships. The same can be said of information technology companies in Singapore. Is owning a share of, say, Apple, conceptually the same as owning a share of Alibaba?
Is owning a share of, say, Apple, conceptually the same as owning a share of Alibaba?
How can this be the case? In a few instances: -
If one is looking for return on investment, then it's probably the same.
If on the other hand, one is looking for an avenue to influence company direction, owning shares in Alibaba and startng this effort is almost a guaranteed exercise in frustration, for Alibaba is a company with capitalist "genes" which have a tinge of socialist, heavy-handed characteristics.
I should add that this isn't bad at all.
The market is fully capable of pricing the fact that Alibaba stockholders don't actually own a direct claim on Alibaba's Chinese assets and can't elect its board. Truth be told, shareholders don't "own" any company; they own whatever rights are specified in the share agreement........
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True comfort for shareholders comes not from legal boilerplate, but from incentives. Alibaba founder Jack Ma could take the $22 billion raised Friday and stiff his foreign partners. That's a risk. But his self-interest is otherwise. He wants a strong stock as a currency for acquisitions. He wants stock options to motivate his increasingly global management team. He wants easy liquidity for himself and other insiders.
when investors begin to worry about the actual rights specified in a share agreement, it usually means something has already gone seriously wrong.
Alibaba is probably as good as any stock. If things go wrong, things go wrong.
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> a complex fabric of personal, corporate and government organization relationships
Are we talking about China, or America? At that high level, the line between corporations and the government becomes blurry, no matter which country you live in. Just look at Standard Oil, Boeing, Halliburton... The list goes on.
No one except hedge funds buys stocks to own voting rights anymore. That would imply caring about the company. Today we chase momentum and hope to make a quick buck buying the f'ing dip, stupidly hoping to front-run the algos that already scanned the news and traded before the headlines even reached us. Stocks are now basically commodities, except that commodities eventually have usefulness, while stocks just represent some abstract value to the extent that someone else might be stupid enough to purchase them.
Sometimes, late at night, I think it's all worthless. Maybe it would be more responsible just to buy farmland or raw materials. Capital markets aren't places for people but for bots.
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libaba is tightly woven into a complex fabric of personal, corporate and government organization relationships
Tim, before you post that article, have you run a thorough check on the submit ?
I am not in anyway affiliated with Alibaba and do not own even one share of Alibaba, but TFA has gone overboard with its accusation that Alibaba of having "governmental organization relationships"
Although I am no longer a Chinese citizen, I did come from China and am very familiar with China
If you say Huawei, another Chinese company, have "government organization relationship" with the Chinese Communist Regime, then I agree. But not Alibaba
The truth is that Google, Apple, Microsoft, Cisco and many more American companies have MORE "governmental organization relationship" with the US government - especially with alphabetic agencies such as CIA and/or NSA - than Alibaba with the Chinese Communist regime
Just because Alibaba happens to be a company from China doesn't give anyone the right to spread all kinds of baseless accusations - and I am really sick and tired of the mindless anti-Chinese bashing that has been going on since the listing of Alibaba
Do you know that the more you guys bash all things Chinese the more you guys are showcasing your idiotic/racist side to the world?
This world isn't only USA vs China as there are other players - and your childish display will only convince those third-party players that America is not a trustworthy party
The more you guys bash the Chinese online the more you guys are ruining the whatever reputation that is left of the United States of America
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The state serves the business that props it up. When it fails, it is replaced, hopefully with as little property damage as possible. There's nothing "conspiratorial" about it, it just business. Don't be trying to bring all the emotional baggage into it. And if you think that business with Russia is any less than usual, you really bought a bag of magic beans. Just ask Exxon, if you don't want to believe me. Your fantasy marketplace doesn't operate the way you think it does, and that all the documented corruption as simply "isolated incidents", when in fact it is its very essence. It is not corrupt, it is natural, operating on the very same savagery. It is the "Serengeti in Manhattan".
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I agree. Asking the question indicates ignorance of this arrangement. My view is that owning a share of this would indicate poor investment judgment and be a strong signal to me to stay clear of the entity in question.
The Russian market was also being propped up by those external investors. a closed system wouldn't have grown very big to begin with. hence why the Soviet Union couldn't keep up with the USA in military spending the USA had a world Economy and the Soviet union and the Warsaw pack, partially as not even full trade was allowed between them.
The USA didn't become a world trade powerhouse because of it's isolationist policies, but because we traded with just about anybody and sold anything including our own grandparents.
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