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'Reactive' Development Turns 2.0

electronic convict writes First there was "agile" development. Now there's a new software movement—called 'reactive' development—that sets out principles for building resilient and failure-tolerant applications for cloud, mobile, multicore and Web-scale systems. ReadWrite's Matt Asay sat down with Jonas Bonér, the author of the Reactive Manifesto (just released in version 2.0), for a discussion of what, exactly, the reactive movement aims to fix in software development and how we get there from here.

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  1. Re:Failure tolerance is a mortal sin by pijokela · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't think it means what you think it means. Obviously the manifesto is so short on details that it can be interpreted in many ways. I think the failure tolerance is more about e.g. tolerance of losing machines or tolerance of overloading - and that seems to be working.

    I have previous experience about J2EE/JEE application servers and they always seemed to have the problem that when overloaded with traffic they might do anything. And after being severely overloaded they often do not recover back to normal. Also people often did not use J2EE session replication, because it was considered a pain.

    Now I'm building an app with Scala/Play framework and we don't have user sesssions or the web servers so scaling and server failures are not a problem. Also we just ran some performance / load tests and the servers work fine up to 100% load and then just start to lose some requests. This is much preferrable to the "all bets are off" that I have seen on Tomcat or other servlet containers. Another reactive benefit from the Play server is that it is super easy to use many threads for building a single http reply and this really helps in giving users timely replys.

    So while the manifesto is of course marketing, there are some good things in the new ways of doing things.

  2. Methodologies are like religion by heldal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have some core principles which make sense in a specific context. You have a book based on these principles but with a good dose of word salad to make it look more powerful. You have preachers hammering it into your head. And you have common people getting brainwashed by something that originally was a good idea, but has been perverted into something that hopefully doesn't damage more than it does good.

    Oh, and then there's the Enterprise.

    1. Re:Methodologies are like religion by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Methodologies are like religion

      But this isn't a "methodology" at all. It's a statement of goals.

      This isn't an "alternative to Agile", because it isn't a methodology. You can use Agile to achieve this "reactive system".

      Frankly, it looks like a bunch of BS buzzwords to me. I write software to meet my customer's needs. "Reactive" attempts to define those needs... but NO, that's what the customer does.

      This might be something good to show a client who wants a web site built, which you then proceed to build using Agile or some other methodology. But it isn't a methodology itself, and calling that thing a "Manifesto" is a joke.

      "We want a machine that makes things cold. We don't care how it's built. We'll call this... The Refrigerator Manifesto".

      Give me a frigging break. In fact I have to think this is actually somebody's idea of a joke.

  3. Can't wait... by underqualified · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...to get certified!

    1. Re:Can't wait... by narcc · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm in the wrong business!

      Okay, staring now, you can get certified in Fad Oriented Programming for just $500! It's always the hottest trend!

  4. Successor to Agile/Scrum by Kethinov · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If anyone's really looking for a 21st century successor to Agile/Scrum, I would recommend checking out the "async" manifesto which was written in a manner deliberately parodying the agile manifesto: http://asyncmanifesto.org/

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  5. I can see the ads now... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 5, Funny

    Software developers wanted for programming project, must have 10 years experience with Reactive development methodologies.

  6. Re:Failure tolerance is a mortal sin by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obviously the manifesto is so short on details that it can be interpreted in many ways.

    Short on detail but long on words. Compare it to the Agile manifesto which has few words, but communicates the ideas very clearly. When you read that, you understand the underlying principles of agile. This manifesto has more words, but still manages to clearly get its idea across.

    When it comes to the manifesto linked in the article, as you mention it is short on detail. Specifically, who doesn't want to have a responsive system? Have you ever met anyone who said, "I think I will build a website. I want it to take 15 seconds for the pages to load." Saying you want your site to be responsive is so generic as to be meaningless.

    The part that really makes me laugh is the part where they say it will have no bottlenecks. That has been the goal of designers since the day of Von Neumann. He was certain he would design his computer without bottlenecks. Once again, it's something that everyone wants.

    The biggest thing they have that isn't generic there is that they require message passing. That seems like a weird requirement to me, but I'm sure they have a reason.

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